Ok so I read in the Irish Post that parents are havng a hard time with the cost of ID, and are blaming tcs commision(sp) etc.. Parents when are we going to take the control and stop spending 1,000 on a dress, If you want to do all the feis in every country, then STOP complaining, too many parents want their dd to follow the latest trends, Stop encouraging your dds to keep up with the kid next door. What are you teaching them. We are responsible for the overall layout of feis, dresses etc. I know tcs and adjs are to blame for lots of thing in ID, but parents when are you going to stop playing the blame game? -- For the love of the dance

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Date Posted: Fri, Feb 09 2007, 17:15:40
Author: Who rules the roost?
Subject: Ok so I read in the Irish Post that parents are havng a hard time with the cost of ID, and are blaming tcs commision(sp) etc.. Parents when are we going to take the control and stop spending 1,000 on a dress, If you want to do all the feis in every country, then STOP complaining, too many parents want their dd to follow the latest trends, Stop encouraging your dds to keep up with the kid next door. What are you teaching them. We are responsible for the overall layout of feis, dresses etc. I know tcs and adjs are to blame for lots of thing in ID, but parents when are you going to stop playing the blame game?

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[> This copied from UK board, very interesting idea: - OK, its clear from recent very lenghty threads, (let alone the day to day talk at class & feis) that the key issues (altho everyone seems to be taking them from a different angle) is the question of Adjudication & the latest fashion trends & the Expense involved in ID. Its about time for a SURVEY that will collect as much data from as many people as poss. to give their honest opinions on ID . I know IDM were looking for ideas, perhaps they could try it. perhaps a combined SURVEY between IDM & Irish Post. or Ooh... Perhaps! even a questionnaire left on seats at all feis. -- Well, where there is a will, there is a way..., 00:37:21 02/10/07 Sat [1] -- MOD, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 1:45:43 [1]

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[> [> I've now added a survey to Irish Dancer about these issues, go fill it in! -- Irishdaz - www.irish-dancer.co.uk, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 12:45:36 [1]

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[> [> [> Thank you for the survey, well done -- wishwillow, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 22:04:35 [1]

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[> but its so much more fun to blame someone else and be the victim .. just look at all the sympathy you get?? lol.. sorry folks .. I agree that we need a survey, and that parents have to say no to expense, but there are always going to be those that have to have the latest things, and then the rest of us who can't keep up with the Joneses. -- Lee in Darwin, Sat, Feb 10 2007, 4:14:07 [1]

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[> [> Just seen the article in the Irish Post and I totally agree with the ridiculous cost of ID and the 'Las Vegas' point of tackiness that has crept into our world. But no surprises, An Commisiun has declined to comment! SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!!!!! -- Where will it all stop?, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 1:22:27 [1]

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[> The article quoted a mother who said her daughters were banned from competing in a championship because they wouldn't wear wigs. I can't imagine this actually happening. -- anyone know the story?, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 6:06:51 [1]

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[> [> After re-reading it I think perhaps her TC banned her from going & not the actual competition, as I can't see that being allowed but some TC I would imagine insist on wigs? -- storm, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 10:10:04 [1]

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[> [> [> That expanation makes sense. Still, a shame that a champ dancer is banned for such a silly reason. It should be about the dancing. -- JMO, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 17:09:29 [1]

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[> [> [> There's one TC in Scotland that I know of that won't let her dancers compete either unless they have the RIGHT wig, the RIGHT shoes, the RIGHT dress etc. I know a few of my friends don't compete any more as they just can't afford all the latest gear. TC's should advise you but they shouldn't ban you from competing if you don't have all the latest gear. Can make you feel really inferior to the "class favourites" who seem to have a never-ending supply of shoes/dresses/wigs. -- old_dancemum, Sun, Feb 18 2007, 22:54:06 [1]

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[> [> [> [> Its not AC, but its not just parents, mainly its TC's. No-one will dispute that as dancers giving a stage performance, that 'good presentation' is important. However, good presentation can simply be: clean, tidy & a school uniform. I just wonder have any of those TC's, so adamant about keeping up or even trying to outdo the 'latest trend' ever considered the following: 1. Loss of Champ dancers, who are dedicated to dance but just can't afford it anymore. 2. A crop of dancers who spend more time focusing on 'dressing up' than their actual dancing. and 3. The prospect of losing MANY potential talented dancers before they have had a chance because they have been scared off by the mad cost of the costumes. I really think they should seriously consider this as it may all come back to bite them where it hurts! -- A uniform look for all please, lets get back to dancing., Mon, Feb 19 2007, 1:00:27 [1]

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[> [> [> [> Does anyone else think this sort of thing shouldn't be tolerated? It's unbelievable that children can't participate in competitions because their parents are unable to afford the "required gear". -- sad state of of affairs, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 22:23:00 [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> Not all T.C's have this attitude and there are some out there who discourage parents from parting with enormous amounts of money for costumes and still promote irish dance as a cultural activity and not a beauty contest. Good results are just as achievable in a �400 dress as they are in a �1400 dress. -- IMHO, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 22:57:01 [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Just to clarify - �400 is still a huge amount of money, but a dress at this price is a bargain these days! -- IMHO, Mon, Feb 19 2007, 23:02:38 [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Talking of which there are some lovely new dresses on dance-again website, you could get a brand new one fom Australia (with � being in our favour!) for just over �250! Its gorgeous, see link inside, not my dress BTW but I love it, if only it would fit my dd! -- storm, Tue, Feb 20 2007, 10:09:35 [1]

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[> [> Is that the lady from Ulster ? If so that was on the TV too -- Sure it was RTE, Tue, Feb 13 2007, 20:34:03 [1]

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[> I think the problem is that everyone including very average dancers are running off to get a 'Gavin' thinking this will improve their results when it is the dancing that counts. Everyone else then thinks they need a Gavin etc to keep up. Where will it stop and people get a grip -- imho, Sun, Feb 25 2007, 0:07:51 [1]

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[> [> in reply to 'imho', I second that totally. The concentration on costumes is also a distraction from other more important or serious issues. -- Lets have dance without the 'catwalk' please!, Thu, Mar 01 2007, 0:43:11 [1]

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[> ive been looking for a new dress for dd as she has been in the same dress for 3 years, then i have come to my senses and realised that if she is in a 'champions' dress and isnt up to that standard then she will look rather overdressed for her level of dancing. so now we wait alittle while longer and she 'earns' her new dress :) -- maid getting overenthused, Sun, Feb 25 2007, 9:57:20 [1]

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[> Just been having a look on e-bay at Irish dancing dresses. Why would you pay 600.00 for a secondhad dress when you can have one made for that to your dds specification. I don't care what name the costume has behind it. Due to dds age she has to have one made every year, I sell her old one for 350.00-400 and have to find another 200.00 for a new one. Personally wouldn't pay more than 400.00 for a secondhand dress. No wonder some of these dresses don't get sold MAD MAD MAD prices. -- DDS Mum, Thu, Mar 01 2007, 23:20:33 [1]

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[> [> Well. you are still having to replace every year, & find another 200. The fact is most have to be able to sell previous to buy next one new. Many are currently buying @ 1000 - 1300, so taking into account depreciation when that costume is a year old, how much would you expect to sell it for, to be able to afford next new one? At this rate, as you say, there will be no market for 'used costumes' so how will most afford to replace? -- It has to end somewhere, hopefully before bankruptcy., Fri, Mar 02 2007, 1:08:51 [1]

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[> [> [> Yes as said befor I still have to find 200.00, howeevr I'd rather do that than pay lets say 15.000 upward try to sell for 900 and still have to find in excess of another 5-6.00. My daughters dress cost 600.00 which is a lot of money but at least I know I can usually sell within 3 weeks of advertising it. Some dresses sre on sites for up to a year. Gos I wish I could make an Irish dance dress, would at least save a bit of money. -- DDs Mum, Fri, Mar 02 2007, 1:39:44 [1]

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[> [> [> [> Me too! I have a new one on order but can't seem to sell old one, I feel I will have to practically give it away! I would love to be able to make dresses but with so many only going with the big names, can't see it being a money spinner anymore for local dressmakers. -- storm, Fri, Mar 02 2007, 23:53:28 [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> Storm totally agree with you, but in all honesty how many people can tell who made one dress from another. On so many boards the question is who made so and so dress, it's gorgey. Purleeeaassseeeee give us a break. -- op, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 1:20:22 [1]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> actually once you've bought a new dress from Gavin, Siopa Rince, Anne Ash etc. you can tell which other dresses they havemade. They all have their own specific way of making the dress. It isn't only the fabrics & designs that make them unique, but the particular method of construction. I don't recognise dresses from dm that I haven't used myself though, hence the many q's asking "who made....?" -- not all own a Gavin, Sat, Mar 03 2007, 11:04:51 [1]

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