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| Subject: To all the directors out there and to those who've been around this system for a while (meaning more than 5 years), what does this system look for in it's winners? Taking a look at the states themselves there's a wide range of winners from young (24) to older (44) that's a 20 year age span. Click in for a bit more. | |
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] Date Posted: 05:34:40 07/14/10 Wed I'd like to know what this system is really about. If this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't look like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level education, mother of 2, and active in my community. Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't tell me that a 20 something possess the same life experiences as a more mature person regardless of children. That's what I simply don't get. When I competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, but also about being able to promote my state and bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just raw beauty and a 20 something body. Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! Last edited by author: Sun July 18, 2010 07:42:14 Edited 1 time. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
| [> Subject: good luck with this question .. this topic has been asked and deleted from lots of boards because no one plays nice with this topic | |
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Author: hopefully you will get positive feed back.. it would be a first! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:04:09 07/14/10 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Mrs America is is marketable, and is a wow she is a "solid" woman, speaks well and looks great doing it!. In the past the youngest winners are older 20s and oldest are older 30s. I truly feel that Mrs. America is the superbowl of them all. Not saying the other systems aren't good they are or they wouldn't attract the quality of women they do, but Mrs. America is the most spectacular of them all. I would suggest googling the former winners and read their bios. Nicole Brink, Diane Tucker and Julie Love Templeton are all very similar to what you said a beautiful person who promotes the pageant and try to get more women involved. The current Mrs. America is pregnant at the moment and the Marmels are celebrating the fact she is! it is the first thing you see on their website. When Andrea won this past year, they had a picture of her and her family up first thing! Their motto is "We are family" and they are showing it! | |
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Author: America fan!!!! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:14:31 07/14/10 Wed >I'd like to know what this system is really about. If >this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't look >like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >experiences as a more mature person regardless of >children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >but also about being able to promote my state and >bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >raw beauty and a 20 something body. > >Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: A woman is a woman wether she is 20 or 60 so to assume that a young wife can't meet the needs of this program is bias. There have been a wide range of ages for Miss America and if you consider the score sheet you will understand why the judges choose whomever based on the scoring system not necessarily the attributes you suggest. To be a state delegate or Miss America is about what you bring to the program not what you are handed. You sound like someone that would be an excellent representative and should give it a go. | |
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Author: Subjective [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:40:11 07/14/10 Wed >I'd like to know what this system is really about. If >this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't look >like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >experiences as a more mature person regardless of >children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >but also about being able to promote my state and >bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >raw beauty and a 20 something body. > >Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: I'm the OP here. I do get that some young wives can have a lot of life experience. But I'm used to dealing with companies and organizations that have a "mission statement". I can't seem to find that for Mrs. America. To me that's what drives the choice of representative. And I am going to disagree that person who could still be competing in Miss USA or Miss America is in the same position as someone in their 30's, 40's or 50's. So what I'm looking for is a "mission statement". Maybe Mrs. America doesn't have this? | |
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Author: OP [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:09:20 07/14/10 Wed >>I'd like to know what this system is really about. If >>this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >>nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't look >>like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >>education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >>Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >>America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >>tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >>experiences as a more mature person regardless of >>children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >>competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >>but also about being able to promote my state and >>bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >>of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >>So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >>dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >>it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >>raw beauty and a 20 something body. >> >>Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: sounds like you answered your own question. Maybe they don't have what you are looking for and thats okay there are alot more systems out there | |
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Author: best of luck!! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:24:43 07/14/10 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I so, so, SO agree with you!!!!! You sound like the Mrs. America I want to see representing me for the year and years to come! don't think the directors of the system feel the same way. I want to compete - a long time dream, but don't think I can get out of states. My state director keeps telling me I can compete, but really....are they going to crown a 50+ african american women. NO! | |
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Author: so I compete elsewhere and give up on the dream [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:45:58 07/14/10 Wed >I'd like to know what this system is really about. If >this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't look >like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >experiences as a more mature person regardless of >children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >but also about being able to promote my state and >bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >raw beauty and a 20 something body. > >Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Too the above poster. Don't ever give up a dream. God doesn't. I will continue to compete in my state pageant because I do feel I can represent both married women and this organization. However, I would hope that somehow I could influnce Mrs. America to come up with a mission. For organizations, failure to follow and draft a mission statement leaves the organization to loose identity and well, fail. I guess as long as there are married women out there who want to compete it won't fail, but it will never be as good as it could be. | |
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Author: Mrs. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:15:58 07/14/10 Wed >I'd like to know what this system is really about. If >this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't look >like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >experiences as a more mature person regardless of >children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >but also about being able to promote my state and >bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >raw beauty and a 20 something body. > >Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: From the Mrs. A website: "This renowned national competition is devoted to emphasizing that America's 70 million married woman are extraordinarily beautiful, poised, articulate and versatile." | |
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Author: Maybe the criteria is intentionally vague. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the job description is left wide open. This allows the women and the directors to define it for themselves. Just a though. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:35:16 07/14/10 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Thank you!!! The lead in word is "beautiful" so at least in my world usually that is the controlling descriptor. But you are right it's vague and allows for a wide range of choices. | |
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Author: OP [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:52:20 07/14/10 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I too am someone who's been considering the America system. Here's my only "gripe" with this system and others. The age. I personally think, and it's my own thought even though I know the rules, but Mrs. pageants should be for 26 and over as that's the age that Miss' generally age out. If you would still be eligible to compete in a Miss pageant but for the fact you married, you should wait until your 26. But I know that's not the rules, just wishful thinking. | |
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Author: :) Good topic. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:55:00 07/14/10 Wed >I'd like to know what this system is really about. If >this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't look >like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >experiences as a more mature person regardless of >children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >but also about being able to promote my state and >bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >raw beauty and a 20 something body. > >Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Great discussion! Remember that we are considered adults at the age of 18; are allowed to vote, marry, serve in the armed forces & potentially give our lives for our country all at the age of 18. I can't imagine someone telling me I can't compete for the title of Mrs. America because I'm not OLD enough to embody what a married woman truly is. Chances are at 18 years old I wouldn't stand a chance against a 30 year old anyway, but how fair would it be for that opportunity to be taken away from me? Age discrimination is no different than gender or race discrimination. We have enough of that in the workplace, can't we keep it out of pageantry? If you want a pageant that has age restrictions, then go find one that meets your criteria, but don't ask the pageants who accept ALL of us to change the rules just to assuage a few. Mrs. America doesn't seem to discriminate based on age, Each year is very unpredictable. I've never seen a pattern in this system & I like it that way, | |
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Author: Want an age bracket? Try BOA [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 23:35:08 07/14/10 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Although I am 42 and way past my 20's, I have to agree with you. Very articulate and intelligent response. If you don't like the age requirements, we do have the choice to look for a pageant that does meet our needs. | |
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Author: agree [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:37:19 07/16/10 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I'm in my 20's, but feel I very capable of representing what married women stand for. I have a son, a job I balance with being the primary care giver, a husband with whom I must work with everyday to maintain our wonderful marriage and community responsibilities that help me keep focus on things outside my world. Unfortunately, at my younger age, I have been through a failed marriage as well, which built me up into a strong, confident woman who realizes where I need to focus my energy and time- my family and my community. I hate to think that just because I haven't reached my 30's, I wouldn't be considered as mature or experienced. It really is a case by case situation. Some women in their 20's aren't ready to embody the spirit of married women, and that's fine. Age has little to do with it- it's the priorities you choose to have. All married women should be allowed to share their pride in their marriage. Besides, the ages of married women range greatly- shouldn't out representatives? | |
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Author: Younger Mrs [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:38:06 07/16/10 Fri >I'd like to know what this system is really about. If >this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't look >like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >experiences as a more mature person regardless of >children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >but also about being able to promote my state and >bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >raw beauty and a 20 something body. > >Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I do not feel that age should be the primary factor or that you should have to be 26 before you can compete in the married system. There are 30,40 and 50 year olds out there that have been married for only a few years. I think it depends on the person and their life experiences. Age is a number, one that we all get caught up in way too often. I have an idea, lets take the age and Birthday off the application. Then no one knows how old you are and you can be seen for the married woman that you are.I find it hurtful when people say that I can not represent married womenI b/c I am not 30 | |
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Author: or b/c I don't have children. Neither my age nor number of children make me less of a woman or less of a married woman. Yes, I already represented my state at Mrs America, so obviously my state judges thought I possesed the qualities of representing married women, not just a certain age. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:17:17 07/16/10 Fri >I'd like to know what this system is really about. If >this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't look >like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >experiences as a more mature person regardless of >children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >but also about being able to promote my state and >bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >raw beauty and a 20 something body. > >Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I was married at 18 so I could have competed a long time ago but I guess more than age I feel the years married should matter more than the age. Bash away but is this about being a Mrs. Who happens to be accomplished and beautiful or someone who is beautiful and just happens to be married? | |
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Author: length vs age [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:12:42 07/16/10 Fri >I'd like to know what this system is really about. If >this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't look >like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >experiences as a more mature person regardless of >children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >but also about being able to promote my state and >bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >raw beauty and a 20 something body. > >Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Wow! Another great comment! There are so many ways to look at this issue. Maybe it should be length married (at least 5 years??), regardless of age. | |
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Author: just a thought [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:39:46 07/16/10 Fri >>I'd like to know what this system is really about. If >>this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >>nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't look >>like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >>education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >>Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >>America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >>tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >>experiences as a more mature person regardless of >>children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >>competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >>but also about being able to promote my state and >>bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >>of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >>So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >>dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >>it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >>raw beauty and a 20 something body. >> >>Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: 5 years total or 5 years to the same man?? lol | |
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Author: just had to ask.. but like your idea [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:35:05 07/17/10 Sat >>>I'd like to know what this system is really about. >If >>>this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >>>nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't >look >>>like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >>>education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >>>Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >>>America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >>>tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >>>experiences as a more mature person regardless of >>>children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >>>competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >>>but also about being able to promote my state and >>>bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >>>of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >>>So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >>>dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >>>it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >>>raw beauty and a 20 something body. >>> >>>Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Funny! I just set myself up for that one, didn't I?! lol | |
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Author: I'm gonna say 5 years to the same man....but I'm sure someone will have something to say about that, too! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:54:30 07/17/10 Sat >>>>I'd like to know what this system is really about. >>If >>>>this is a system that focuses on raw beauty and >>>>nothing else, well then I in my early 30's, don't >>look >>>>like I did when I was 24. I hold a PhD. level >>>>education, mother of 2, and active in my community. >>>>Too me, that's what I would like to see in a Mrs. >>>>America. A woman that's well, a woman. You can't >>>>tell me that a 20 something possess the same life >>>>experiences as a more mature person regardless of >>>>children. That's what I simply don't get. When I >>>>competed in the USA system, it was about beauty yes, >>>>but also about being able to promote my state and >>>>bring in more girls to the system. I don't see much >>>>of that in America, but then again I'm new to this. >>>>So what I'd really like to see is a reasonable >>>>dialogoue about what this system REALLY WANTS from >>>>it's winner. No reason wasting my time if it's just >>>>raw beauty and a 20 something body. >>>> >>>>Thank you and PLAY NICE with your comments!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: As I see it, the biggest problem with Mrs. America is that there is comparison judging; so if you have an 18 (the earliest qualifying age) standing next to a 38 or 48 year old woman, it's not "apples and apples", but usually apples and pears. There are a few exceptions of women in their 30s, 40s or 50s that can hold their own against an 18-26 yr old body (that usually hasn't had a child yet), but graviity and life get in the way. If there wasn't comparison judging, it wouldn't be an issue. Mrs. U.S. and Int'l do not have the comparison judging aspect (which IMHO keeps the playing field a lot more even). | |
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Author: JMHO [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:20:59 07/17/10 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Mrs. Michigan is over 40. She also beat out a very well trained and defined woman who competes in fitness competitions for swimuit. Mrs. MI won swimsuit.. So, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it really depends on who is judging that night. | |
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Author: Ivana B. AQueen [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:02:35 07/17/10 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Comparison judging? Each group comes to the front of the stage before they leave the stage, but I don't believe that is comparison judging because all contestants aren't standing there side by side being judged at the same time. Trust me when I tell you that the judges don't have to have them side by side to be able to remember who was fit and who wasn't, whether they are 45 or 25. I think if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, and I am a 44 year old. | |
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Author: Tired of excuses [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:13:02 07/17/10 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: I agree...either you have it or you don't!!! It's not about being an age etc etc it is a competition! The one that the judges think is best suited wins!!! All the picking apart etc gets old!!! | |
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Author: Mrs tired of excuses too! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:17:20 07/17/10 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: For America the most beautiful lady wins. It is what it is. | |
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Author: Beauty is where its at. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:20:01 07/20/10 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: YOU'RE WRONG!!! For America, the most beautiful lady NEVER wins! The beauties are always left standing behind stage while the Top 12 compete during the finals. Educate yourself on the America system before making false posts. | |
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Author: you're a dummy [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:17:54 07/21/10 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: I think Ivana is a wingnut! | |
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Author: You wanna be a queen? No chance of that! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:11:37 08/17/10 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: The best way tro deal with this is give it your best and ignore the boards. Nothing but crazies on it anyway. | |
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Author: Ugh [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:13:39 08/18/10 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: The best way tro deal with this is give it your best and ignore the boards. Nothing but crazies on it anyway. | |
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Author: bump [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:24:07 08/18/10 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |