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Date Posted: 17:35:55 09/19/02 Thu
Author: 3trikes/You bingoed a HUGE question-riddle.
Subject: Hello and Welcome Ramses! You are a fearsome tadpole indeed!
In reply to: ramses 2 's message, "A few answers" on 08:58:13 09/19/02 Thu

1)Right about the flaw. No about the rest, though you could say that in a way Xander will be deceiving the scoobies (in a non-traitorous way). The three are emotional motivators. The fourth will cause one of the three. Adam and Buffy ae similar in the sense that both Adam and The Slayers were *built* to fight a war. We saw the justice of the Initiative. What does that suggest about those who built the Slayers ? : )
2)But Ramses I am talking about the BB, not the ancients. : ) Look at Lele's answer, she almost got it right. Important for motivations of some characters throughout the season.
3)You don't see it. : ) Look at Monkey's answer. He almsot nailed it.
4)Yes. I guess I was much too vague. I'm referring to a real place. About Drusilla, Excellent. I can't stress how excellent. What else does it suggest? What question should wwe have been asking about Drusilla ?
5)No. Not Xander. What would it take for Evil not to be evil ?
6)No. Look at WtP's equivalent question for a big hint.
7)Bingo! Bingo! Bingo! You nailed it. Now plug the answer. And by that I mean start asking the obvious questions. What would it take for Xander to do it? Under what circumstances ? For whom? When? Why?(I mean causality here) You've unraveled a HUGE thread here. Keep plucking at it, and everything (or almost everything) will follow.
8) Closer than you think! Or rather closer than you meant! : )
9)Good, Good. Complete the thought. What's the concept? Apply it to Xander.
10)It's not about Hotz. It's meant to stimulate your mind in certain *evil* directions. : )
11)Chaos is part of the structure. In fact it's necessary to its existence.
12)Look at Lele's answer. She got it right. Xander would indeed kill the innocent.
13)No.
14)And yet you've solved #7 masterfully. Think along the same lines.
15)No. Muad'Dib had the same problem. : )

Excellent Job. I mean excellent. Push forward with all your might and you will unravel everything. : )
PS: when considering Xander's motivations, remember they are Xander's. No one else's. No need to create a huge shipper war out of nothing.


>>applying them to other questions and try to make
>>connections, you might receive a massive epiphany! But
>>if you do, DON'T share it on the board! Other posters
>>might still want to keep playing. Shoot me an E-mail,
>>and I'll tell you if it jells with my theory.
>> About the theory. Though it fits most of
>>the facts and spoilers, you should know that initially
>>it was derived primarily from my understanding of
>>Buffy and Xander and Spike. It doesn't mean that it
>>doesn't account for the other characters, especially
>>since this season all their journeys will be greatly
>>intertwined, but that predictions about the other
>>characters will mostly occur through when they
>>interact with Buffy, Xander, and Spike. Plot details
>>about Willow, Dawn and Giles, and to a lesser extent
>>Faith, are thus more difficult to establish until I
>>get more specific spoilers to plug into the theory.
>>This does not apply to the general thrust of their
>>journeys which is quite firmly set.
>> On to the Game! Good Luck!
>> 1)Why did Xander believe he could help
>>Faith ? NEW: Three must lead, one must deceive.
>>What will be the result ?
>> 2)Are the *Bad* PTBs always Bad ? Are the
>>*Good* PTBs always good ? Though the answer to that
>>has already been clearly stated. But not where you
>>might think. NEW: If you've heard the piping voice,
>>and been blinded by the white, you know what I'm
>>referring to.
>> 3)Is Lurky the only purveyor of Afterlife
>>in town? How *Tragic* would it be for one character to
>>avail him/herself of the alternative ? NEW: Maybe I
>>should have uncapitalized Afterlife. Afterall, it's
>>such a common occurence. Always? Well, maybe not.
>> 4)Is the map the territory ? Is the
>>Playground in your mind's eye the backward symbol or
>>the reality ?
>> 5)Is a Shark evil ? Is an Evil Shark with
>>a *higher* purpose Evil ?
>> 6)Who sings songs of things to come ? Why
>>do they sing of sorrow?
>> 7) Let me rephrase old question 7. Upon
>>further reconsideration, it is the weakest part of the
>>speculation. Very possible. But not the only
>>possibility. Upon the road of Fate, the Knight
>>Descendant and the Knight Ascendant were Bound to
>>meet. Asked the Child of Black and gold: "What did you
>>give for Love ?" "Death and Life, my soul,"
>>answered the other. Asked the Childe of Gold and
>>black: "What will you give for Love ?" "Life and
>>Death, my soul," answered the other. Which is the
>>greater sacrifice ?
>> 8)Did you catch the cross-over last year
>>? If you haven't, don't worry. It was gone in a blast.
>> 9)"Gotta be with movin' forward," says
>>Xander in Restless. "Like a shark with feet..."
>>*Forward* ? Where are they both moving forward to ?
>>Where are they going? For that matter where are we all
>>going, though by different means ?
>> 10)If Holtz had been vamped, would he have
>>still hated Angel/Angelus ? Do you think Angelus will
>>have family problems when he comes to Sunnydale ?
>> 11)This clue is hidden in plain sight.
>>Blatantly, insolently even. But in the Jossverse,
>>applying the concept defined by the clue could result
>>in some seriously eldritch geometry. : ) Unravel the
>>clue and apply the concept upon the fulcrum of
>>Restless, and watch a 7 years tale unfold. ANSWERED:
>>"Supersymmetry," both mirror and true, short and long.
>> 12)That Xander would lay down his life for
>>Willow, Anya or Buffy is a given. But would he kill
>>the innocent for one of them ?
>> 13)What are these "things you can't
>>protect yourself from?" If you knew them, it would
>>blow your mind.
>> A riddle based on what I hope happens.
>>Too juicy to ignore, but won't necessarily make it to
>>the screen.
>> 14) Rage, Passion, Hate
>> What song precipitates their fate ?
>> Rage, Passion, Hate
>> What Moon to set their course ?
>> Rage, Passion, Hate
>> What star to find their way ?
>> Rage, Passion, Hate
>> Will they strife ? For whose fate ?
>> Rage, Passion, Hate.
>>
>> 15) When is Blindness a blessing, and
>>Clarity the worst kind of Blindness? When is a Mistake
>>not a mistake, and why will the difference be a cause
>>for tears ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>1)Why did Xander believe he could help Faith ? NEW:
>Three must lead, one must deceive. What will be the
>result ?
>Xander's tragic flaw. He thinks he knows, thinks he
>understands. But if Buffy and Faith don't understand,
>it's not possible for Xander. They are the Slayer,
>Faith was right, human rules cannot apply to
>them.(Human rules are the ties that bind the Slayer.)
>Xander will deceive. From Jesse to Dark Willow, Xander
>copes by applying the rules of humanity to the
>Hellmouth. In Restless he furtively looks around as he
>ascends stairs, next scene, Riley and Adam. We have
>seen Xander as soldier referenced many times over the
>years. I'm sticking with Xander working for the
>initiative to 'protect' Buffy. Question for you? What
>was Adam's purpose? Was he right when he told Buffy
>that they were alike?
>
>2)Are the *Bad* PTBs always Bad ? Are the *Good* PTBs
>always good ? Though the answer to that has already
>been clearly stated. But not where you might think.
>NEW: If you've heard the piping voice, and been
>blinded by the white, you know what I'm referring to.
>
>Good and Bad are human constructs. Was Sweet bad? OMWF
>was the only time anyone really 'talked'. I think
>we're going to meet the ancients who really don't care
>about evil. Or good. Don't call them BB's, they are so
>beyond that.
>
>Is Lurky the only purveyor of Afterlife in town? How
>*Tragic* would it be for one character to avail
>him/herself of the alternative ? NEW: Maybe I should
>have uncapitalized Afterlife. Afterall, it's such a
>common occurence. Always? Well, maybe not.
>Xander as vampire? I don't see it. Though we do have
>Death of a Salesman with Buffy yelling at Riley about
>games and Xander lying dead at Harmony's feet.
>
>4)Is the map the territory ? Is the Playground in your
>mind's eye the backward symbol or the reality ?
>
>I think we discover this season that reality is much
>larger than any map. I keep thinking about Spike's
>'madness' and how he was the only one that saw
>Ben/Glory. And remember all of Dru's talk about the
>stars?(I read alot of Lovecraft last night)
>
>5)Is a Shark evil ? Is an Evil Shark with a *higher*
>purpose Evil ?
>I think you're refering to Xander becoming a vamp to
>help Buffy. Problem here is that wouldn't Xander know
>that his good intentions would be replaced with a
>blood thirsty demon? What other than(tragic flaw)
>would convince him that he alone could control the
>demon?
>
>6)Who sings songs of things to come ? Why do they sing
>of sorrow? I'm thinking greek tragedy here. cassandra.
>Perhaps this is Spike's role this season?
>OMWF's songs were also of things to come. And they
>were ultimately very sorrowful.
>
>7) Let me rephrase old question 7. Upon further
>reconsideration, it is the weakest part of the
>speculation. Very possible. But not the only
>possibility. Upon the road of Fate, the Knight
>Descendant and the Knight Ascendant were Bound to
>meet. Asked the Child of Black and gold: "What did you
>give for Love ?" "Death and Life, my soul,"
>answered the other. Asked the Childe of Gold and
>black: "What will you give for Love ?" "Life and
>Death, my soul," answered the other. Which is the
>greater sacrifice ?
>
>Xander and Spike? One gains a soul for love one gives
>one up? The white knight sacrifices everything?(This
>would define Romance. Not romance novel but literary
>Romance.)
>
>8)Did you catch the cross-over last year ? If you
>haven't, don't worry. It was gone in a blast.
>I think there was a lot of crossover last season. I
>think cordi and Spike are the ones on a similar path.
>They are the two wild cards, now possessing something
>they were never meant to have. Do they work for the
>PTB? Interesting that they both seem to be having
>visions.
>
>9)"Gotta be with movin' forward," says Xander in
>Restless. "Like a shark with feet..." *Forward* ?
>Where are they both moving forward to ? Where are they
>going? For that matter where are we all going, though
>by different means ? Interesting that the loanshark in
>TR was interested in kittens. Kittens before they
>became cats. Restless refers to the Slayer as cat.
>Buffy as kitten.
>
>10)If Holtz had been vamped, would he have still hated
>Angel/Angelus ? Do you think Angelus will have family
>problems when he comes to Sunnydale ? Well we know
>Darla wasn't too happy after she was vamped by Dru.
>Though she gave in to her bloodlust eventually. Dru
>held the killing of her family against Angel. Spike
>didn't appear to resent Dru but he certainly had
>issues with 'daddy' Angelus. Vampires do seem
>conflicted. I would say yes, Holtz would have hated
>Angelus. But question, who would be Holtz's sire?
>
>11)This clue is hidden in plain sight. Blatantly,
>insolently even. But in the Jossverse, applying the
>concept defined by the clue could result in some
>seriously eldritch geometry. : ) Unravel the clue and
>apply the concept upon the fulcrum of Restless, and
>watch a 7 years tale unfold. ANSWERED:
>"Supersymmetry," both mirror and true, short and long.
>But what of chaos?
>
>12)That Xander would lay down his life for Willow,
>Anya or Buffy is a given. But would he kill the
>innocent for one of them ?
>Interesting I was about to answer no, of course not
>but I have nothing to base that on except my love for
>the character. But thinking about it I think Xander
>would easily kill an innocent for them. Xander's all
>about commitment. He is a soldier. He'll do what he
>thinks needs to be done.
>
>13)What are these "things you can't protect yourself
>from?" If you knew them, it would blow your mind.
>Your sister for one. Yourself for another.
>
>A riddle based on what I hope happens. Too juicy to
>ignore, but won't necessarily make it to the screen.
>14) Rage, Passion, Hate
>What song precipitates their fate ?
>Rage, Passion, Hate
>What Moon to set their course ?
>Rage, Passion, Hate
>What star to find their way ?
>Rage, Passion, Hate
>Will they strife ? For whose fate ?
>Rage, Passion, Hate.
>
>I suck at riddles. I need to think about this. All I
>can think of is the three fires of the bodhivissta.
>
>15) When is Blindness a blessing, and Clarity the
>worst kind of Blindness? When is a Mistake not a
>mistake, and why will the difference be a cause for
>tears ?
>I'm thinking Something Blue here.

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