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Date Posted: 23:36:20 05/19/19 Sun
Author: Lisa
Subject: I feel like Charlie Brown and Lucy yanked the football away once again, ripping the bandaid off a 14 year old sore.
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Agreed. So disappointing for the characters and show. -- AK, 23:44:09 05/19/19 Sun
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This is the first place I came after watching ... -- doc, 00:01:54 05/20/19 Mon
... how dare they destroy our dream. After waiting 9 years to get them together, Gemill borrows them for a season finale & breaks them up?!!! I am beyond pissed!!!
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Me too! Why even bother... -- Danda, 00:30:03 05/20/19 Mon
It just seems to undermine everything about Harm's growth and the show. He said he'd always be there. Also, if Mac was going to the State Department anyway, why not still keep them together and have Harm go back into the service. It makes no sense. I hated it.
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DOC - so nice to see you again! Just wish it was under happier circumstances! -- Chris K, 00:56:36 05/20/19 Mon
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It is beyond infuriating and there was no point in having them be apart! The storyline would have worked just as well having them married, but currently at different duty assignments. That's not uncommon in the military and couples who love each other find a way to make it work ... (inside) -- lisa - waving "hi" to doc!, 12:35:34 05/20/19 Mon
I repeat, there is no way that this Harm and Mac wouldn't have found a way to make a relationship work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIKPfckctSE
After nine years on JAG of stringing along the fans, it's maddening that Gemmill didn't give H&M the happy ending the characters (and fans) deserved. Sure there were still the little teases - Hetty's comment about the final chapter not yet being written, the longing looks (DJE and CB still have amazing chemistry!) - but after 9 years on JAG and 14 years since, the old dance is getting tired and unbelievable.
Well Gemmill can write them as he wishes, but we all know the "real" H&M have been happily married for 14 years! :-)
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It is beyond infuriating and there was no point in having them be apart! The storyline would have worked just as well having them married, but currently at different duty assignments. That's not uncommon in the military and couples who love each other find a way to make it work ... (inside) -- lisa - waving "hi" to doc!, 12:37:07 05/20/19 Mon
I repeat, there is no way that this Harm and Mac wouldn't have found a way to make a relationship work. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIKPfckctSE
After nine years on JAG of stringing along the fans, it's maddening that Gemmill didn't give H&M the happy ending the characters (and fans) deserved. Sure there were still the little teases - Hetty's comment about the final chapter not yet being written, the longing looks (DJE and CB still have amazing chemistry!) - but after 9 years on JAG and 14 years since, the old dance is getting tired and unbelievable.
Well Gemmill can write them as he wishes, but we all know the "real" H&M have been happily married for 14 years! :-)
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sorry - somehow I managed to post this twice! -- lisa, 12:40:46 05/20/19 Mon
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Fangic -- Cristina, 16:10:17 05/21/19 Tue
Doc,
Do you have any of your old stories archived anywhere? I miss Harm and Mac and was hoping a good story would help.
The ones I loved had the title Hickory, Dickory. Between A Rock and hard place and the one with the letter in Russian ( I pray Another Loves You So?).
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They are all on Fanfiction.net under doc100 -- doc, 22:39:54 05/21/19 Tue
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You're not alone! A lot of pissed off shippers tonight. Charlie Brown and the footbal it is......sigh -- Sunny, 00:29:37 05/20/19 Mon
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agreed - I'm SO mad -- chris k, 00:55:49 05/20/19 Mon
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Disappointed -- Cristina, 01:51:56 05/20/19 Mon
I got suckered in again! It was great seeing the characters again. It sucks to see them in basically the same place. On the upside, perhaps it will inspire new Fanfic.
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I had a feeling that was how it would play out. But if they are trying s reboot of JAG then they probably think to have them happy and together won’t play as well . -- Dani R, 06:41:59 05/20/19 Mon
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Not that seeing them not together doesn’t suck and tick me off though. 😡 -- Dani R, 07:49:33 05/20/19 Mon
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I’m just leaving the hospital after working 70 hours straight & getting ready to make the 2+ hour trek back home. I have a feeling about where all this is going .... -- Doc, 07:49:05 05/20/19 Mon
.... my guess for the 2 episode arch to start next season. Harm flies out a mission to take out the launch pad sites, or to take out a missile. He is shot down & lost. Mac uses her powers to find him again. Once rescued, she states she’s never letting him out of her sight again. They express their undying love & head off into the sunset never to be seen again. Alternative: something happens to Mac & Harm rescues her, then see above scenario. Did Gemill write Adrift? The JAG fans watch to bring up viewing numbers for NCIS LA.— desired effect. JAG fans roll their eyes & declare, “not again!” NCIS fans have never seen it, but don’t really care about H&M, this declare, “why waste our time on them & not our beloved characters!” But desired effect is achieved, ratings are up end of season & beginning of next. There is no JAG reboot, but that was never the point. arrrgghhhhh!!!!
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https://tvline.com/2019/05/19/ncis-los-angeles-recap-season-10-finale-jag-reunion-harm-mac/ I hang on to what Heddy says to Mac. Also, the looks between H/M are still there and very obvious, so I choose towait and see how the first episodes go in September, rather than get all hot under the collar. I'm still a loyal shipper that's for sure, a real romantic...big sigh. -- jenks, 09:36:15 05/20/19 Mon
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All that said, about where I expect this to go. Why can't Gemmill be consistent with where the series ended. Mac could've gone to San Diego, as this episode suggests, but why couldn't Harm then take the politcal route and be the liaison to the Sec. of State? Or, Harm could've gone to Europe, and Mac could've eventually taken the job she currently has as a liaison on this show? Whatever happened to Harm needing to "grow-up"? Wasn't that the point of the whole Pauraguay & Mattie story line? And whatever happened to Mattie? (inside) -- doc, 12:22:43 05/20/19 Mon
We can argue whether that rot of story lines from Paraguay to Mattie were ever necessary, but that is the way TPTB went. So now they are both in their 50's, in no relationship, have no children & are all about their careers? Ridiculous! They have wasted the better part of 33 years (9 in JAG and 14 years since) and still can't decide what they want or make a long term commitment?
Supposedly seasons 9 & 10 were about Harm deciding what he wanted, going after it & growing up. No more Peter Pan. We can argue whether that was ever necessary, but that is the way TPTB wrote the story line. We ended up with Mattie; a story line I hated! And in the finale Harm takes responsibility for her again. What did he do with her? She was paralyzed & significantly disabled. Did he dump her on Mac to go "back to the sea"? Did he send her back to her father? Placed her in a home???? None of that would be in character with the real Harm. Yet, here he is being Peter Pan again & riding the sea.
What happened to the law? After he came back to JAG from flying the 2nd time, he said his heart was in the law. His flying career was over. Now he's the opposite again? He has to be in his 50's now, isn't there a mandatory retirement age for military pilots, especially fighter pilots? And yes, he looks his age! By the end of JAG he had his 20 years, Mac didn't, so Mac staying in would've made sense from that standpoint. I can't see our real Harm, abandoning Mac to go back to the sea. How long was he out? Isn't that a major career hit, hence his lack of advancement? What can he expect to get out of this prolonged career, after going backwards? I don't expect he'd ever make admiral in "real life," as he has to have "timed out" in rank at this point, thus no further advancement. Officers time out after 10myears in rank, right? Where's janlaw when we need her.
What happened to his promise to Mac "to always be there"? Harm wouldn't have done any of this. I suspect the whole "back to sea" was something Gemmill needed for his NCIS LA story line, so who cares if it is counterintuitive to the Harm we know & love? Who cares if he (Gemmill) destroyed Harm's character, commitment & deeper purpose we JAG fans have come to know and love as inherently Harm.
As for Mac, going to San Diego makes sense from the standpoint of finishing our her career (20 years), but how is it she never got promoted? She had a few more months in rank than Harm, when he got promoted in the finale, and San Diego was supposed to be a career-making promotion. Could they not have children? Did they try? Did they just toss that dream aside, because Harm got his Peter Pan personality back. The same goes for tossing Mattie aside? Not Harm at all!
How long did Harm give their relationship a try, before up & shipping off? Based on the timeline (14 years - 9 yeas of not seeing each other), they had as much as 5 years to make a go of things. Apparently they never even tried getting married. Why? Because the commitment was too permanent? That's not where they were at the end of JAG!
As I noted above, I think this is just a stunt for rating. I'm sure they will be together again by the end of the 2 episode arc at the beginning of the season. One or the other of them will go missing, and the other will be the hero to the rescue. Harm will either quit his flying career after being shot down AGAIN, or to rescue Mac. I'm guessing the first will happen, & Mac will have to find him with her "special connection." I suspect the first, but been there, done that, and I don't really care to see it done again.
And honestly, they are in their 50's now! Grow up!!!!! They've missed out on so much of what they could've been, based on the NCIS LA scenario. In my mind, none of this happened. H&M are off living together, married, happily ever after, with 3 kids, and a private law firm somewhere helping the vulnerable & innocent. They are living the life I wrote about in my story, "A Nickel Trumps a Dime Fate," and I'm sticking with that thought!!!
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I completely agree! (Voy needs a "like" button.) -- lisa, 13:42:06 05/20/19 Mon
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"reel" life - -- janlaw, 21:26:06 05/20/19 Mon
Doc, you asked about REAL life - this is entertainment so Harm's been on active duty the last 14 years and we don't know when Mac retired and took the State Dept civilian job. In the Navy, for an 0-6, 30 years is the max. SO, Harm would have retired in 2015, when depends on whether AJ finessed his time with the CIA and crop dusting. If an 0-6 is promoted to Flag, more years .... We were never told exactly when Mac was commissioned - I think no later than 1989 (at the latest), so she could have retired around 2009, at 20 years.
It's wonderful to see all the old friends commenting, even though I'm terribly disappointed at what we have to comment on. SIGH.
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Sorry, this should've gone under my post above. -- doc, 12:25:19 05/20/19 Mon
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https://tvline.com/2019/05/19/ncis-los-angeles-recap-season-10-finale-jag-reunion-harm-mac/ I choose to listen to Heddy's remark about the chapter not being finished. I am willing to wait until the season begins again for the first two episodes. Maybe there will be a reboot of JAG, so the story can continue. I'm a hopeless romantic, one can dream. However it works out, it was nice to see them again. -- jenks, 09:41:33 05/20/19 Mon
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Suggestion: Before we get all steamed up, remember they do check to see reactions from fans, so maybe we should remain positive and wait, as always, patiently. -- jenks, 09:46:30 05/20/19 Mon
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Sorry for the double post, but I didn't think it went through the first time...my bad!! -- jenks, 09:59:22 05/20/19 Mon
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Poor writing skills -- achaon, 15:41:34 05/20/19 Mon
I’m not surprised but I am disappointed. The same writers who were involved with JAG are writing for this show. If it wasn’t for the Harm and Mac dynamic JAG wouldn’t have lasted as long as it did. If things don’t turn out to my satisfaction next season, I’ll quit watching. Poke me in the eye once, shame on you. Poke me in the eye twice, I’ll quit watching NCIS LA. There are hundreds of other options.
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I defintely feel like Gemmill should have better skills than to do the 'yank your chain thing' - He could SO have come up with more entertaining things - though he did at least have them each in their kick ass personalitiles - No lawyer will help you - and - Does your wife have instagram LOL -- chris k, 20:53:01 05/20/19 Mon
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Doesn't. make sense -- PB, 22:15:14 05/20/19 Mon
Bud Roberts appeared briefly a few seasons ago on NCIS. When asked about Harm and Mac Bud laughed, and repeated their names but was interrupted before finishing. That limited happy response doesn't go along with the story in NCIS LA. Supposed to be the same universe.
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Hit the mail of the head with pulling the football away. Miss you guys. -- Buckiles, 06:49:50 05/21/19 Tue
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