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Subject: She will NOT make it pass prelims!


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[> Subject: The word is PAST.....if you’re going to bash please do it correctly.


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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 07:41:29am
[> [> Subject: Re: The word is PAST.....if you’re going to bash please do it correctly.


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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 08:36:24pm
She most certainly will make it!! She will do wonderful
[> [> [> Subject: Re: The word is PAST.....if you’re going to bash please do it correctly.


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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 08:36:58pm
>She most certainly will make it!! She will do
>wonderful
[> [> Subject: Re: The word is PAST.....if you’re going to bash please do it correctly.


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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 16, 10:08:16pm
I do not see how she will make it PAST prelims. Her speaking is good, not great and she is up against other very good speakers. Talent is what will separate the haves & have-nots when MA actually & honestly scores talent at 50%. So unless she changes her talent, we will only get to see her say her name & state.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: The word is PAST.....if you’re going to bash please do it correctly.


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Date Posted: Wednesday, July 17, 11:42:57am
>I do not see how she will make it PAST prelims. Her
>speaking is good, not great and she is up against
>other very good speakers. Talent is what will
>separate the haves & have-nots when MA actually &
>honestly scores talent at 50%. So unless she changes
>her talent, we will only get to see her say her name &
>state.

She will do great !! That’s all we saw last year from davia is name and state . And her talent is very good .
[> [> [> [> Subject: DB’s talent was slightly above average at Miss A. She wasn’t the complete package. The current Miss A, is the complete package. She’s extremely talented, extremely smart and well spoken and very beautiful


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Date Posted: Wednesday, July 17, 09:54:37pm
>>I do not see how she will make it PAST prelims. Her
>>speaking is good, not great and she is up against
>>other very good speakers. Talent is what will
>>separate the haves & have-nots when MA actually &
>>honestly scores talent at 50%. So unless she changes
>>her talent, we will only get to see her say her name &
>>state.
>
>She will do great !! That’s all we saw last year
>from davia is name and state . And her talent is very
>good .
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: DB’s talent was slightly above average at Miss A. She wasn’t the complete package. The current Miss A, is the complete package. She’s extremely talented, extremely smart and well spoken and very beautiful


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Date Posted: Thursday, July 18, 09:22:39am
>>>I do not see how she will make it PAST prelims. Her
>>>speaking is good, not great and she is up against
>>>other very good speakers. Talent is what will
>>>separate the haves & have-nots when MA actually &
>>>honestly scores talent at 50%. So unless she changes
>>>her talent, we will only get to see her say her name
>&
>>>state.
>>
>>She will do great !! That’s all we saw last year
>>from davia is name and state . And her talent is very
>>good .

Please tell me why she (Morgan Nichols) did not present a “very good “ talent at Miss SC? Or even a remotely good one? In fact why did she present such a lack of talent? It’s a nationwide joke. Just one note on key would have been helpful. Just one. It’s an insult to the many contestants who actually have talent and have training. It was so bad that it was like a song parody. My ears were violated.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I'm not


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Date Posted: Thursday, July 18, 11:17:01am
If South Carolina believes that there was some improprieties with the MSC Pageant, go to MA.org and file a state grievance. But to stay anonymous and not openly express your concerns, makes you not much better than what you all in South Carolina are complaining about.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: If South Carolina believes that there was some improprieties with the MSC Pageant, go to MA.org and file a state grievance. But to stay anonymous and not openly express your concerns, makes you not much better than what you all in South Carolina are complaining about.


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Date Posted: Thursday, July 18, 11:19:43am
>If South Carolina believes that there was some
>improprieties with the MSC Pageant, go to MA.org and
>file a state grievance. But to stay anonymous and not
>openly express your concerns, makes you not much
>better than what you all in South Carolina are
>complaining about.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: MAO is just as bad as MSCO. No point in going there. They've got too many fires to put out to care about SC anyway.


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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 02:02:55pm
>>If South Carolina believes that there was some
>>improprieties with the MSC Pageant, go to MA.org and
>>file a state grievance. But to stay anonymous and not
>>openly express your concerns, makes you not much
>>better than what you all in South Carolina are
>>complaining about.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: MAO is just as bad as MSCO. No point in going there. They've got too many fires to put out to care about SC anyway.- BUT YOU NEVER KNOW IF YOU CONTINUE TO STAY COMPLAINING ON AN ANONYMOUS VOY BOARD.


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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 03:30:47pm
>>>If South Carolina believes that there was some
>>>improprieties with the MSC Pageant, go to MA.org and
>>>file a state grievance. But to stay anonymous and not
>>>openly express your concerns, makes you not much
>>>better than what you all in South Carolina are
>>>complaining about.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: DB’s talent was slightly above average at Miss A. She wasn’t the complete package. The current Miss A, is the complete package. She’s extremely talented, extremely smart and well spoken and very beautiful


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Date Posted: Friday, July 19, 01:44:11pm
DB was actually very strong in talent. Strong in other areas too. But if you look at MA Top Five last year, there was a state very strong (the best) in interview but lacking in talent. Actually many in Top Ten fit that same bill. SC picked their winner based on what they saw at last year’s 2.0 contest. Regardless if you agree whether that’s fair or not, it is what it is. This is 2.0!
[> Subject: Wanna bet?


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Date Posted: Wednesday, July 17, 08:27:56pm
[> [> Subject: Re: Wanna bet?


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Date Posted: Thursday, July 18, 11:49:04pm
[> [> [> Subject: Re: Wanna bet? No one denies your response of her beauty and intellect BUT some how you forgot TALENT which was 50% during preliminary. Even if she gained high scoring in every other area, there's no way should have scored mid range in talent. Out of 50 plus girls, Morgan Nichols in my scoring, scored at the bottom 10 talent. So what happened, I am uncertain, but I am certain that the pageant this year was clearly a mishap. And to imply that we should just move on and get behind the "most qualified winner", is an insult to those that observed prelims and the finals. It's like asking majority of the people to take a poof-be-gone pill, as if they didn't spend their money to see the events.


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Date Posted: Friday, July 19, 09:33:38am
[> [> [> [> Subject: perfect response.


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Date Posted: Friday, July 19, 10:49:36am
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: perfect response.


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Date Posted: Wednesday, July 31, 10:28:15am
>Not a perfect resonse at all. The pageant is won in
>interview, not talent.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Wanna bet? No one denies your response of her beauty and intellect BUT some how you forgot TALENT which was 50% during preliminary. Even if she gained high scoring in every other area, there's no way should have scored mid range in talent. Out of 50 plus girls, Morgan Nichols in my scoring, scored at the bottom 10 talent. So what happened, I am uncertain, but I am certain that the pageant this year was clearly a mishap. And to imply that we should just move on and get behind the "most qualified winner", is an insult to those that observed prelims and the finals. It's like asking majority of the people to take a poof-be-gone pill, as if they didn't spend their money to see the events.


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Date Posted: Friday, July 19, 11:31:16am
Not a perfect resonse at all. The pageant is won in interview, not talent.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Not a perfect response at all. The pageant is won in interview, not talent. - Then they should of held a pageant for beautiful and academically intelligence only or just opened the job of Miss South Carolina to interview these type of candidates! Then the end may some how justify the means. And give the other talented, beautiful, and intellectual girls option to compete in another type of pageant. Bottom line is talent is still 50% during preliminaries and there's no way the winner beat out other girls to make it to top 16!


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Date Posted: Friday, July 19, 02:27:58pm
>Not a perfect resonse at all. The pageant is won in
>interview, not talent.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: are you a moron? The PUBLISHED judging criteria says that Talent is 50%, not interview. And while I agree that she was the girl to beat, that opinion was formed before she opened her mouth to sing. When that happened, she legit fell out of the Top 10. Either stick to the judging criteria or change it. I'm not saying she didn't blow everyone else away in the other areas, especially CMN and ad sales, but that girl couldn't have been in even the top half of Talent.


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Date Posted: Saturday, July 20, 12:08:07pm
>>Not a perfect resonse at all. The pageant is won in
>>interview, not talent.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: are you a moron? The PUBLISHED judging criteria says that Talent is 50%, not interview. And while I agree that she was the girl to beat, that opinion was formed before she opened her mouth to sing. When that happened, she legit fell out of the Top 10. Either stick to the judging criteria or change it. I'm not saying she didn't blow everyone else away in the other areas, especiRe- Exactly, so why would any respectable JUDGES, set Miss SC up to compete at MA knowingly that talent is 50%. I still believe scores was either manipulated by low balling certain girls in certain areas and over exaggerated others in the areas. Or NO girl stood a chance before the pageant began! These are the only answers to this pageant fiasco!


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Date Posted: Saturday, July 20, 03:54:24pm
>>>Not a perfect resonse at all. The pageant is won in
>>>interview, not talent.
[> Subject: For those of you not good with math and lack understanding of the scoring system, click in long post


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Date Posted: Saturday, July 20, 04:49:27pm
Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9, outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example: girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60 Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15% 10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total prelim points=223.5

Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36 Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235

This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1 was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it would be extremely difficult for her to make the top 15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)

Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim numbers are deleted and a composite score from each judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim performance is given. The judge should stay consistent with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25% of the score.

So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the 4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4 categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show, recording and airing this meeting would get them huge ratings)

Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite 7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl 2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based on assigned composite score before final competition even starts. This is why so many say the competition is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you might move ahead just as above in composite scoring because you were so impressive in interview and your speaking ability on stage.

Now on to final competition. Please note once a contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in her speaking abilities. This is why some say the judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5. Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one category of competition. Meaning if you are placed 12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10 after one category and move into the top 10.

Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI 10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final score 250
Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI 7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final score 225.5

Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell behind even more as talent percentage decreased to 30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are given a final question that is not scored but viewed to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5 being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC. Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent with ranking based on their scoring but judges are human and can have a change of heart when it comes to ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and this post is long enough. I will leave you to play with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.

It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by judges during competition top 5 and awards are given out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker. Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for miracle maker.
[> [> Subject: Re: The lack of understanding is that some people believe some judges are set in place to low ball girls and throw points to another. No, one is questioning your eloquent explanation of how things could have went but NO RESPECTABLE judges would have placed Morgan Nichols in the top 40 talent. And for others who want people to believe she was slayed by the interview gods, in her first Miss SC competition is ludicrous and another reason to question what you are stating is possible. But what mostly likely happen, than your possible explanation is, THE PAGEANT WAS RIGGED!


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Date Posted: Saturday, July 20, 05:19:03pm
>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>prelim points=223.5
>
>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>
>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>
>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>of the score.
>
>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>ratings)
>
>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>on assigned composite score before final competition
>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>speaking ability on stage.
>
>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>after one category and move into the top 10.
>
>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>score 250
>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>score 225.5
>
>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>
>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>miracle maker.
[> [> [> Subject: Exactly, like 5 independent and respectable judges would think to themselves, we just like Nichols so much, that I got to get her into top 16 regardless of how awful she was in prelims. Picture her now in top 16 the same independent respectable judges say, I'm still wowed by Nichols and she deserves to be in top 10....And in top 10, the independent judges would think, I don't care how awful Morgan sounds, I still think she deserves to win. Just think 5 judges thought this way. And ALL 5 said we don't care about the MAO scoring system we just like Morgan. IF THIS IS TRUE, MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE HOW WERE THE JUDGES CHARGED TO PICK THE NEXT MISS SC?


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>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>prelim points=223.5
>>
>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>
>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>
>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>of the score.
>>
>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>ratings)
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>speaking ability on stage.
>>
>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>score 250
>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>score 225.5
>>
>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>>
>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Judges give girls points that they like in interview. It is called the Halo effect. You saw it a lot when swimsuit was part of the competition. Also it only takes 3 judges scores and only 1 judge to give a convincing argument for 2 other judges to give a high composite score. How the judges are charged is a major factor on the outcome.


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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 04:55:27pm
>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>highest
>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>
>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>
>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>1
>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>
>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>prelim
>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>consistent
>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>>of the score.
>>>
>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>the
>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>winner
>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>>ratings)
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>girl
>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>based
>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>
>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>score
>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>in
>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>>score 250
>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>score 225.5
>>>
>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>5
>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>and
>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>thought.
>>>
>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>most
>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>miracle maker.
[> [> Subject: Re: For those of you not good with math and lack understanding of the scoring system, click in long post


Author:
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 20, 06:44:46pm
Great explanation of scoring breakdown, but to my understanding, when Top 5 ballot was brought back by Miss A this year, the judges discussion durning composite scoring was eliminated. This would allow for judges to disregard the recommedation to stay consistent with prelim performance and assign unually high composite scores. That is NOT a Miss SC change, but a Miss A change from previous years.
[> [> Subject: Just to clarify two things, 1) Davia didn’t do the CMNH fundraising, crazy number of ad pages, or get sponsors and won. Since you wanted an example. 2) they only score the top 10, they don’t even score the top 15 in the first phase of competition. It’s the top 10 that is decided before the pageant, and then they add the next 5 highest scores to make a 15. But they are not actually scored. This is national as well.


Author:
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Date Posted: Saturday, July 20, 09:35:50pm
>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>prelim points=223.5
>
>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>
>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>
>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>of the score.
>
>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>ratings)
>
>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>on assigned composite score before final competition
>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>speaking ability on stage.
>
>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>after one category and move into the top 10.
>
>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>score 250
>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>score 225.5
>
>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>
>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>miracle maker.
[> [> [> Subject: Why bother with 15 if you really only score 10...


Author:
No name
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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 12:09:54am
>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>prelim points=223.5
>>
>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>
>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>
>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>of the score.
>>
>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>ratings)
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>speaking ability on stage.
>>
>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>score 250
>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>score 225.5
>>
>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>>
>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> Subject: I guess for entertainment value or to give more girls the chance to be on stage final night. I’ve never really understood it either


Author:
No name
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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 11:31:41pm
>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>highest
>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>
>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>
>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>1
>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>
>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>prelim
>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>consistent
>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>>of the score.
>>>
>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>the
>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>winner
>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>>ratings)
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>girl
>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>based
>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>
>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>score
>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>in
>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>>score 250
>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>score 225.5
>>>
>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>5
>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>and
>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>thought.
>>>
>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>most
>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: This would also explain why you would low ball certain girls or rig a pageant to keep the best talents from advancing to top 10. Because it was televised. Think about like this: If you want a certain outcome, and willing to do what it takes to get it, would you not have done, what appears to be a rigged pageant. No one in the top 10 represented the best talented well rounded candidates. Even, Sarah Floyd was not the best talent in her group. I guess she and Ashley Byrd both being from the same town had NOTHING to do with it?


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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 12:32:48pm
>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>highest
>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>Example:
>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>total
>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>
>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>>1
>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>her
>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>
>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>prelim
>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>consistent
>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>25%
>>>>of the score.
>>>>
>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>the
>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>winner
>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>huge
>>>>ratings)
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>girl
>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>based
>>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>
>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>score
>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>would
>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>in
>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>final
>>>>score 250
>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>score 225.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>>5
>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>come
>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>consistent
>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>to
>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>and
>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>thought.
>>>>
>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>most
>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>a
>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>for
>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>ad
>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> Subject: Also, the meeting was not eliminated. There is still a top 10 discussion from the judges immediately after the last night of prelims. It appears to me that in that case if judges don’t agree on the same person then the favorites of others could be low balled or their could high ball their own to make them win. This could lead to someone different winning. I’m not saying this is what happened, but it’s something to be considered. This isn’t Miss SC’s fault though as it’s a national issue.


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Date Posted: Saturday, July 20, 09:39:19pm
>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>prelim points=223.5
>
>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>
>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>
>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>of the score.
>
>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>ratings)
>
>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>on assigned composite score before final competition
>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>speaking ability on stage.
>
>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>after one category and move into the top 10.
>
>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>score 250
>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>score 225.5
>
>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>
>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>miracle maker.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: I do not believe it's a MA thing alone but a MSCO. Judges are SUPPOSE to individuals NOT affiliated with any girls, board members and the like. So for 5 RESPECTABLE QUALIFYING JUDGES would have no affiliates with anyone, independently all thought alike in their scoring is VERY hard to fathom! I can see and have seen this going on a local level were people may know girls and are bias, but state....I believe something else is going on in SC, Not sure what but smells fishy.


Author:
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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 08:20:44am
>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>prelim points=223.5
>>
>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>
>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>
>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>of the score.
>>
>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>ratings)
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>speaking ability on stage.
>>
>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>score 250
>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>score 225.5
>>
>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>>
>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> Subject: This is where you are mistaken, under 2.0 rules there is no longer a top 10 discussion following the final preliminary competition. The judges meet to do the composite scoring but do NOT have a top 10 discussion in the Miss competition anymore. This information is from the national office and I am more than happy to provide the resource that says this as well if needed.


Author:
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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 03:30:05am
>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>prelim points=223.5
>>
>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>
>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>
>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>of the score.
>>
>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>ratings)
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>speaking ability on stage.
>>
>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>score 250
>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>score 225.5
>>
>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>>
>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Explain in detail the process of assigning composite scores if the meeting until 3 am no longer takes place. Also who from MAO is at the state pageant to see that the rules are followed. Unlike at locals where the field directors are present. So how is this really being policed?


Author:
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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 01:04:11pm
>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>highest
>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>
>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>
>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>1
>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>
>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>prelim
>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>consistent
>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>>of the score.
>>>
>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>the
>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>winner
>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>>ratings)
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>girl
>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>based
>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>
>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>score
>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>in
>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>>score 250
>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>score 225.5
>>>
>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>5
>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>and
>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>thought.
>>>
>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>most
>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: This is where you are mistaken, under 2.0 rules there is no longer a top 10 discussion following the final preliminary competition. The judges meet to do the composite scoring but do NOT have a top 10 discussion in the Miss competition anymore. This information is from the national office and I am more than happy to provide the resource that says this as well if needed. - Please provide!


Author:
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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 01:10:34pm
>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>highest
>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>
>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>
>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>1
>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>
>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>prelim
>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>consistent
>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>>of the score.
>>>
>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>the
>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>winner
>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>>ratings)
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>girl
>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>based
>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>
>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>score
>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>in
>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>>score 250
>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>score 225.5
>>>
>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>5
>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>and
>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>thought.
>>>
>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>most
>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re. If this is true, the auditors, after prelims should have the scores by this point, correct? Then what is the purpose of them meeting to get the top 15? All of this is very confusing and makes it even more difficult to believe that we have a legitimate winner.


Author:
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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 08:11:02pm
>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>highest
>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>
>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>
>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>1
>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>
>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>prelim
>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>consistent
>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>>of the score.
>>>
>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>the
>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>winner
>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>>ratings)
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>girl
>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>based
>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>
>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>score
>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>in
>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>>score 250
>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>score 225.5
>>>
>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>5
>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>and
>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>thought.
>>>
>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>most
>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: The auditors present the top 10 and/or top 15 to the judges following the final preliminary competition. The judges then give each contestant within that final group a score from 6 to 10 (no contestant on final night is scored below a 6). After this composite score is given to every single contestant competing on final night the judges are dismissed. The judge's chair in South Carolina is one of the most ethical women with the highest level of integrity that you will ever find. I can assure you that no top 10 discussion happens.


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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 01:06:58am
>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>highest
>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>Example:
>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>total
>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>
>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>>1
>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>her
>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>
>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>prelim
>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>consistent
>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>25%
>>>>of the score.
>>>>
>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>the
>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>winner
>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>huge
>>>>ratings)
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>girl
>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>based
>>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>
>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>score
>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>would
>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>in
>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>final
>>>>score 250
>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>score 225.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>>5
>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>come
>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>consistent
>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>to
>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>and
>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>thought.
>>>>
>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>most
>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>a
>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>for
>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>ad
>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Not to question your assurance of the chairperson, but if there's no discussions after the judges releases the composite of the Top 10 among the Top 15, then we are still left with more questions than answers. Because candidates after having already been scored for prelims, are now given another opportunity to be low balled or overly compensatedo to get a winner, in spite of their scores. Seems really unfair to those who were well rounded in every phase of competition and received high scoring, to be reevaluated. This is now where how the judges were charged comes in with the 6-10. Based on how MSCO charged the judges, judges can over rule their own scores to give a State what they want by low balling some and over compensating others points! Or the judges were NOT given the correct 15 from the onset and the TOTAL pageant was rigged. So unfair to candidates and people who believed in a crooked system.


Author:
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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 08:32:48am
>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>highest
>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>Example:
>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>and
>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>total
>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>
>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>girl
>>>1
>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>top
>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>her
>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>
>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>prelim
>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>consistent
>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>when
>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>25%
>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>
>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>>the
>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>winner
>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the
>4
>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>huge
>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>girl
>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>based
>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>competition
>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>competition
>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>your
>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>score
>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>need
>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>likely
>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>would
>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>>in
>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>final
>>>>>score 250
>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>fell
>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>viewed
>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>Judges
>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>to
>>>5
>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>is
>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>among
>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>come
>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>consistent
>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>>to
>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>>and
>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>most
>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>given
>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>>a
>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>for
>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>in
>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>>ad
>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> Subject: Low balling and high balling are eliminated with the highest and lowest scores being eliminated. Davia made top 5 in Miracle Maker and if judges scored correctly and did not inflate talent contestant 1 would not have made the cut. As stated. Yes composite score is assigned determines the out come. For instantance if the judges are told we are looking for someone fresh and new who is extremely well spoken and has the ability to help keep the pageant growing by connecting with the people in SC in a way that has not been done. We want someone that will take direction and put the organization before all else. Her speaking ability must be superb & showing she can bring in sponsors and fundraise.. Now what do you think the judges are looking to crown? Manipulation of who comes out on top is being shown to you in.more ways than one. The point was to show you how you can crown who you want to win. .


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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 12:00:30am
>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>prelim points=223.5
>
>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>
>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>
>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>of the score.
>
>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>ratings)
>
>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>on assigned composite score before final competition
>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>speaking ability on stage.
>
>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>after one category and move into the top 10.
>
>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>score 250
>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>score 225.5
>
>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>
>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>miracle maker.
[> [> [> Subject: and you think judges would be charged to ignore talent?


Author:
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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 01:21:32pm
>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>prelim points=223.5
>>
>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>
>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>
>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>of the score.
>>
>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>ratings)
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>speaking ability on stage.
>>
>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>score 250
>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>score 225.5
>>
>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>>
>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> Subject: I am saying just because MAO increase talent to 50% doesn't mean the judges automatically will crown the most talented girl. A lot of the outcome is based on how the judges were charged which we do not see and what is discussed in the composite score meeting.


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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 04:43:06pm
>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>highest
>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>
>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>
>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>1
>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>
>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>prelim
>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>consistent
>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>>of the score.
>>>
>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>the
>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>winner
>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>>ratings)
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>girl
>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>based
>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>
>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>score
>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>in
>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>>score 250
>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>score 225.5
>>>
>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>5
>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>and
>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>thought.
>>>
>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>most
>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: It's not hard to believe that the judges may have been charged based on MSCO standards v/s the MAO. If this is so, then MSCO charge clearly to the judges were we do not care about if Miss SC doesn’t win MA, we just want someone to come back with assisting our program. If this be so, then MSCO need to cut their ties with the MAO, and become an independent pageant like some of the other states. But the girls that currently competes for Miss SC, have the hope of winning MA, and or performing their talent on the MA stage. So, instead of SC getting girls hopes up, tell all of them to quit spending excessive amount of money on talent coaches and costumes. They need to be transparent. But lets be CLEAR the judges were NOT charged to pick the most well rounded talented girl that can possibly help SC win MA.


Author:
No name
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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 09:31:14pm
>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>highest
>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>Example:
>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>total
>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>
>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>>1
>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>her
>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>
>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>prelim
>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>consistent
>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>25%
>>>>of the score.
>>>>
>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>the
>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>winner
>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>huge
>>>>ratings)
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>girl
>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>based
>>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>
>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>score
>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>would
>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>in
>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>final
>>>>score 250
>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>score 225.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>>5
>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>come
>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>consistent
>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>to
>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>and
>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>thought.
>>>>
>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>most
>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>a
>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>for
>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>ad
>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: It cost the state a pretty penny when they have a Miss A. They must host and pay for the coming home celebration which includes flying in the top five and the Exec MA board members plus hotels not to mention food, facility rental, etc. Not everyone wants a Miss A.


Author:
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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 11:41:21pm
>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>highest
>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>Example:
>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>and
>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>total
>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>
>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>girl
>>>1
>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>top
>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>her
>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>
>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>prelim
>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>consistent
>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>when
>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>25%
>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>
>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>>the
>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>winner
>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the
>4
>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>huge
>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>girl
>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>based
>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>competition
>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>competition
>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>your
>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>score
>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>need
>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>likely
>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>would
>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>>in
>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>final
>>>>>score 250
>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>fell
>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>viewed
>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>Judges
>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>to
>>>5
>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>is
>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>among
>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>come
>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>consistent
>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>>to
>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>>and
>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>most
>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>given
>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>>a
>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>for
>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>in
>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>>ad
>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: It cost the state a pretty penny when they have a Miss A. They must host and pay for the coming home celebration which includes flying in the top five and the Exec MA board members plus hotels not to mention food, facility rental, etc. Not everyone wants a Miss A. - WOW!!!


Author:
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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 01:14:16pm
>>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3
>below
>>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>>highest
>>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>>Example:
>>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>>and
>>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>>total
>>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>>girl
>>>>1
>>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent,
>it
>>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>>top
>>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>>her
>>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200
>point
>>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from
>each
>>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>>prelim
>>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>>consistent
>>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>>when
>>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in
>this
>>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>>25%
>>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is
>possible
>>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher
>in
>>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>>>the
>>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>>winner
>>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the
>>4
>>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>>huge
>>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>>girl
>>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>>based
>>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>>competition
>>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>>competition
>>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and
>he
>>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically
>you
>>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite
>scoring
>>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>>your
>>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>>score
>>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>>need
>>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or
>anyone
>>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>>likely
>>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>>would
>>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl
>1
>>>>in
>>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>>final
>>>>>>score 250
>>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total
>final
>>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>>fell
>>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls
>are
>>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>>viewed
>>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>>Judges
>>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>>to
>>>>5
>>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>>is
>>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss
>SC.
>>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>>among
>>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>>come
>>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>>consistent
>>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>>>to
>>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>>>and
>>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>>thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>>most
>>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>>given
>>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect
>on
>>>a
>>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>>for
>>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle
>Maker.
>>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays
>a
>>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>>in
>>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>>>ad
>>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5
>for
>>>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> Subject: To clarify: Davia got in miracle maker top 5 at MAO, but she was not there at Miss SC, nor was she in Quality of Life or any of those other side awards which goes to show it wasn’t relevant.


Author:
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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 11:35:34pm
>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>prelim points=223.5
>>
>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>
>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>
>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>of the score.
>>
>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>ratings)
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>speaking ability on stage.
>>
>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>score 250
>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>score 225.5
>>
>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>>
>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Again this was in the middle of MA transitioning from talent being 35% to 50%. Don't get me wrong some had questions about her win as well, BUT because she had some type of talent, it didn't go very far. In other words many were not surprised she didn't place at MA.


Author:
No name
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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 12:42:58pm
>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>highest
>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>
>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>
>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>1
>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>
>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>prelim
>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>consistent
>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>>of the score.
>>>
>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>the
>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>winner
>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>>ratings)
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>girl
>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>based
>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>
>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>score
>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>in
>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>>score 250
>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>score 225.5
>>>
>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>5
>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>and
>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>thought.
>>>
>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>most
>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> Subject: Okay so there was one out of the last 9 crowned under this leadership. But let's not ignore the fact that raising CMN $$$ selling ad pages and bringing in sponsors is not a factor in this state pageant. Don't forget you have the other 10-15 teen and miss contestants that also bring in big $$$. A serious competitor will tell you it matters.


Author:
No name
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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 12:58:20pm
>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>highest
>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>
>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>
>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>1
>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>
>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>prelim
>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>consistent
>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>>of the score.
>>>
>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>the
>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>winner
>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>>ratings)
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>girl
>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>based
>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>
>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>score
>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>in
>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>>score 250
>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>score 225.5
>>>
>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>5
>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>and
>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>thought.
>>>
>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>most
>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Correct candidates are told to even have a shot at the crown they need to sale at LEAST 9 ad pages. Which is an irony in it self, because many need sponsors to help with the over the top cost with pageant feeds and expenses! Believe it or not many do need the scholarship money verses majority of the top 5 having not a care in the world but a social status. So, these girls never get to use the money and it STAYS within the MSCO.


Author:
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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 01:29:58pm
>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>highest
>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>Example:
>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>total
>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>
>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>>1
>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>her
>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>
>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>prelim
>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>consistent
>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>25%
>>>>of the score.
>>>>
>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>the
>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>winner
>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>huge
>>>>ratings)
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>girl
>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>based
>>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>
>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>score
>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>would
>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>in
>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>final
>>>>score 250
>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>score 225.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>>5
>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>come
>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>consistent
>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>to
>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>and
>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>thought.
>>>>
>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>most
>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>a
>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>for
>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>ad
>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Ok as someone who competed and did fairly well I was never told to raise a certain number of ad pages, and I was never told about anything I should do to win. I did it because I wanted the judges to see I was prepared for the job and what came along with it whether that be obtaining sponsors for the organization, raising CMNH money, or being involved with my platform. Everything I did was so the judges would see me more, including in ad pages.


Author:
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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 11:18:29pm
>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>highest
>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>Example:
>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>and
>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>total
>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>
>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>girl
>>>1
>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>top
>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>her
>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>
>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>prelim
>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>consistent
>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>when
>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>25%
>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>
>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>>the
>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>winner
>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the
>4
>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>huge
>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>girl
>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>based
>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>competition
>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>competition
>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>your
>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>score
>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>need
>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>likely
>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>would
>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>>in
>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>final
>>>>>score 250
>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>fell
>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>viewed
>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>Judges
>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>to
>>>5
>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>is
>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>among
>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>come
>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>consistent
>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>>to
>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>>and
>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>most
>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>given
>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>>a
>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>for
>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>in
>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>>ad
>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Ok as someone who competed and did fairly well I was never told to raise a certain number of ad pages, and I was never told about anything I should do to win. I did it because I wanted the judges to see I was prepared for the job and what came along with it whether that be obtaining sponsors for the organization, raising CMNH money, or being involved with my platform. Everything I did was so the judges would see me more, including in ad pages. - I believe you, but there's a difference with MSCO thinking you would do fairly well and WINNING, or just using other candidates for their personality agenda. But this has been a rumor for years so this not a surprise. Maybe you wasn't personally told that but doesn't mean many were not!


Author:
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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 08:48:59am
>>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3
>below
>>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>>highest
>>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>>Example:
>>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>>and
>>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>>total
>>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>>girl
>>>>1
>>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent,
>it
>>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>>top
>>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>>her
>>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200
>point
>>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from
>each
>>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>>prelim
>>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>>consistent
>>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>>when
>>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in
>this
>>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>>25%
>>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is
>possible
>>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher
>in
>>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>>>the
>>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>>winner
>>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the
>>4
>>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>>huge
>>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>>girl
>>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>>based
>>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>>competition
>>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>>competition
>>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and
>he
>>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically
>you
>>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite
>scoring
>>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>>your
>>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>>score
>>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>>need
>>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or
>anyone
>>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>>likely
>>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>>would
>>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl
>1
>>>>in
>>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>>final
>>>>>>score 250
>>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total
>final
>>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>>fell
>>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls
>are
>>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>>viewed
>>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>>Judges
>>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>>to
>>>>5
>>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>>is
>>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss
>SC.
>>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>>among
>>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>>come
>>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>>consistent
>>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>>>to
>>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>>>and
>>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>>thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>>most
>>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>>given
>>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect
>on
>>>a
>>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>>for
>>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle
>Maker.
>>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays
>a
>>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>>in
>>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>>>ad
>>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5
>for
>>>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> Subject: long post: very good explanation. Especially the last paragraph.


Author:
No name
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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 01:52:32pm
>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>prelim points=223.5
>
>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>
>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>
>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>of the score.
>
>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>ratings)
>
>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>on assigned composite score before final competition
>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>speaking ability on stage.
>
>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>after one category and move into the top 10.
>
>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>score 250
>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>score 225.5
>
>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>
>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>miracle maker.
[> [> [> Subject: Re: I find it easy for MSCO and others to shift the blame on the judges and/or the MAO scoring system but if SC Board were the ones who charged the judges and the judges gave them what they wanted, then the judges were wrong to not send the best candidate to compete in ALL phases of competition, BUT ULTIMATELY it's MSCO that is at fault!


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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 09:39:49pm
>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>prelim points=223.5
>>
>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>
>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>
>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>of the score.
>>
>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>ratings)
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>speaking ability on stage.
>>
>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>score 250
>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>score 225.5
>>
>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>>
>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> Subject: But also you have to think of it in terms of them trying to select what they think MAO wants. Last year at MAO the top 10 was some terrible and boring talents but some super smart and well spoken girls. That’s what they made it seem like 2.0 wanted, even though they emphasized talent. I know everyone watched Miss America and scratched their heads thinking where is the talent? Maybe that’s what they thought MAO wanted and the board charged the judges with picking what would do well at MAO, so that’s what they went with based on what they saw. I get that it’s frustrating and hard to understand, but it’s just a pageant, it’s not the end of the world, and it’s not worth stressing over. You either participate in it or you don’t if you don’t want to. There are plenty of other things for you to do with your time if you can’t make sense of this. Either way, it has happened, and it’s time to move on and find something new to worry about.


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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 11:39:39pm
>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>highest
>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>
>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>
>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>1
>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>
>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>prelim
>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>consistent
>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>>of the score.
>>>
>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>the
>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>winner
>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>>ratings)
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>girl
>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>based
>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>
>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>score
>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>in
>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>>score 250
>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>score 225.5
>>>
>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>5
>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>and
>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>thought.
>>>
>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>most
>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: NOT SO!!! When MA was transitioning last year majority of the girls, including Davia, was scored under the old MA scoring system, during state competition because majority competed in swimsuit that won for their state. So, not seeing really good talent last year it's surprising. And to imply SUPER smart, there were a variety of education backgrounds, including the current MA being a music major. MSCO is again isn't concern about MSC winning MA, they're concern is the "BEST" in their eyes, as a state representative


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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 10:02:09am
>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>highest
>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>Example:
>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>total
>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>
>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>>1
>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>her
>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>
>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>prelim
>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>consistent
>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>25%
>>>>of the score.
>>>>
>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>the
>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>winner
>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>huge
>>>>ratings)
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>girl
>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>based
>>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>
>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>score
>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>would
>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>in
>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>final
>>>>score 250
>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>score 225.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>>5
>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>come
>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>consistent
>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>to
>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>and
>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>thought.
>>>>
>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>most
>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>a
>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>for
>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>ad
>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: You're correct it is just a pageant! However, the concern of many is emphasis on "Legitimate and Fair Pageant" While others such as yourself, continues to make excuses for the results, the majority is wanting transparency. AGAIN, to ask others to move on, as if they don't have eyes or ears is even more ignorance than your POSSIBLE excuse for the outcome. So can the majority of us assume the Morgan Nichols was your pick from the onset?


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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 10:21:09am
>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>highest
>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>Example:
>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>total
>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>
>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>>1
>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>her
>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>
>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>prelim
>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>consistent
>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>25%
>>>>of the score.
>>>>
>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>the
>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>winner
>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>huge
>>>>ratings)
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>girl
>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>based
>>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>
>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>score
>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>would
>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>in
>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>final
>>>>score 250
>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>score 225.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>>5
>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>come
>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>consistent
>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>to
>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>and
>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>thought.
>>>>
>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>most
>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>a
>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>for
>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>ad
>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: You say majority yet you’re hiding behind a board without posting your name, and y’alls stupid petition surely didn’t get any signatures or you’d be sharing it all over. If it was a majority you’d actually hear a majority of people speaking up. Instead, it’s clear from the IP addresses that it’s the same 3 people complaining about everything, and guess what? We can track where you’re located so we can easily find out who you are. But nobody cares enough to do that because you are in the minority of people who are still whining about this dang pageant. It’s not like it’s the presidential election or something that actually matters. And no Morgan was not my pick from the onset, but after getting to speak with her I can see very clearly why they liked her, and it became less surprising to me why she won.


Author:
No name
[ Edit | View ]
Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 11:31:44pm
>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>highest
>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>Example:
>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>and
>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>total
>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>
>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>girl
>>>1
>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>top
>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>her
>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>
>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>prelim
>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>consistent
>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>when
>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>25%
>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>
>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>>the
>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>winner
>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the
>4
>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>huge
>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>girl
>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>based
>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>competition
>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>competition
>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>your
>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>score
>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>need
>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>likely
>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>would
>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>>in
>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>final
>>>>>score 250
>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>fell
>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>viewed
>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>Judges
>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>to
>>>5
>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>is
>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>among
>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>come
>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>consistent
>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>>to
>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>>and
>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>most
>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>given
>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>>a
>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>for
>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>in
>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>>ad
>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Okay.


Author:
No name
[ Edit | View ]
Date Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 07:35:28am
>>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3
>below
>>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>>highest
>>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>>Example:
>>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>>and
>>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>>total
>>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>>girl
>>>>1
>>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent,
>it
>>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>>top
>>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>>her
>>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200
>point
>>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from
>each
>>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>>prelim
>>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>>consistent
>>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>>when
>>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in
>this
>>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>>25%
>>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is
>possible
>>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher
>in
>>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>>>the
>>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>>winner
>>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the
>>4
>>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>>huge
>>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>>girl
>>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>>based
>>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>>competition
>>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>>competition
>>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and
>he
>>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically
>you
>>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite
>scoring
>>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>>your
>>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>>score
>>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>>need
>>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or
>anyone
>>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>>likely
>>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>>would
>>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl
>1
>>>>in
>>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>>final
>>>>>>score 250
>>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total
>final
>>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>>fell
>>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls
>are
>>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>>viewed
>>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>>Judges
>>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>>to
>>>>5
>>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>>is
>>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss
>SC.
>>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>>among
>>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>>come
>>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>>consistent
>>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>>>to
>>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>>>and
>>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>>thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>>most
>>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>>given
>>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect
>on
>>>a
>>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>>for
>>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle
>Maker.
>>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays
>a
>>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>>in
>>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>>>ad
>>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5
>for
>>>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Okay.


Author:
No name
[ Edit | View ]
Date Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 10:19:17am
>>>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3
>>below
>>>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>>>highest
>>>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>>>Example:
>>>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>>>and
>>>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>>>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>>>total
>>>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27
>EG
>>>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>>>girl
>>>>>1
>>>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent,
>>it
>>>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>>>top
>>>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>>>her
>>>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200
>>point
>>>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from
>>each
>>>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>>>prelim
>>>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>>>consistent
>>>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>>>when
>>>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in
>>this
>>>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>>>25%
>>>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is
>>possible
>>>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher
>>in
>>>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3
>of
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>>>winner
>>>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of
>the
>>>4
>>>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>>>huge
>>>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2
>composite
>>>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>>>girl
>>>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>>>based
>>>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>>>competition
>>>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>>>competition
>>>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and
>>he
>>>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically
>>you
>>>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then
>you
>>>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite
>>scoring
>>>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>>>your
>>>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>>>score
>>>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>>>need
>>>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or
>>anyone
>>>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>>>likely
>>>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>>>would
>>>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl
>>1
>>>>>in
>>>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are
>placed
>>>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>>>final
>>>>>>>score 250
>>>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total
>>final
>>>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>>>fell
>>>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased
>to
>>>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls
>>are
>>>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>>>viewed
>>>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>>>Judges
>>>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>>>to
>>>>>5
>>>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>>>is
>>>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss
>>SC.
>>>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>>>among
>>>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>>>come
>>>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>>>consistent
>>>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges
>are
>>>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it
>comes
>>>>to
>>>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post
>here
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to
>play
>>>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>>>thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>>>most
>>>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen
>by
>>>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>>>given
>>>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect
>>on
>>>>a
>>>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>>>for
>>>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle
>>Maker.
>>>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays
>>a
>>>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>>>in
>>>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the
>most
>>>>ad
>>>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5
>>for
>>>>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Okay.


Author:
No name
[ Edit | View ]
Date Posted: Thursday, August 08, 09:58:47am
>>>>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3
>>>below
>>>>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>>>>highest
>>>>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>>>>Example:
>>>>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>>>>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>>>>total
>>>>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview
>6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27
>>EG
>>>>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>>>>girl
>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent,
>>>it
>>>>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>>>>top
>>>>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent
>drops
>>>>>her
>>>>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200
>>>point
>>>>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these
>prelim
>>>>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from
>>>each
>>>>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>>>>prelim
>>>>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>>>>consistent
>>>>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>>>>when
>>>>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in
>>>this
>>>>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite
>is
>>>>>25%
>>>>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is
>>>possible
>>>>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher
>>>in
>>>>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3
>>of
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>>>>winner
>>>>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of
>>the
>>>>4
>>>>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>>>>huge
>>>>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2
>>composite
>>>>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less
>than
>>>>>>girl
>>>>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>>>>based
>>>>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>>>>competition
>>>>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>>>>competition
>>>>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and
>>>he
>>>>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically
>>>you
>>>>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then
>>you
>>>>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite
>>>scoring
>>>>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>>>>your
>>>>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>>>>score
>>>>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>>>>need
>>>>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or
>>>anyone
>>>>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>>>>likely
>>>>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>>>>would
>>>>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like
>girl
>>>1
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post
>one
>>>>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are
>>placed
>>>>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and
>10
>>>>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>>>>final
>>>>>>>>score 250
>>>>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total
>>>final
>>>>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>>>>fell
>>>>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased
>>to
>>>>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls
>>>are
>>>>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>>>>viewed
>>>>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>>>>Judges
>>>>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10
>points
>>>>to
>>>>>>5
>>>>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they
>feel
>>>>is
>>>>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss
>>>SC.
>>>>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>>>>among
>>>>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>>>>come
>>>>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>>>>consistent
>>>>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges
>>are
>>>>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it
>>comes
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post
>>here
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to
>>play
>>>>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>>>>thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC
>and
>>>>>>most
>>>>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen
>>by
>>>>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>>>>given
>>>>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect
>>>on
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis
>has
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle
>>>Maker.
>>>>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising
>plays
>>>a
>>>>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss
>winner
>>>>in
>>>>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the
>>most
>>>>>ad
>>>>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5
>>>for
>>>>>>>>miracle maker.
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: You're ignorant to call the concerns of others STUPID. I don't believe you have given your name either. And if you have it narrow down so well, there's no way you came up with 3. All the people on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and anonymous viewers that comes on this board for answers. Silence doesn't mean others ignored what took place. Trust we are the majority that believes that this system unfairly handle the pageant and not just this year only. So you go a head and take a poof-be-gone pill if you like, but others/majority is still deserves answers. Finally, you mentioned speaking with the winner, no one denies she may be a good spokes person but so were many of the other candidates, just more talented.


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>>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3
>below
>>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>>highest
>>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>>Example:
>>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>>and
>>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>>total
>>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>>girl
>>>>1
>>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent,
>it
>>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>>top
>>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>>her
>>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200
>point
>>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from
>each
>>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>>prelim
>>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>>consistent
>>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>>when
>>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in
>this
>>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>>25%
>>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is
>possible
>>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher
>in
>>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>>>the
>>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>>winner
>>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the
>>4
>>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>>huge
>>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>>girl
>>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>>based
>>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>>competition
>>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>>competition
>>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and
>he
>>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically
>you
>>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite
>scoring
>>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>>your
>>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>>score
>>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>>need
>>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or
>anyone
>>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>>likely
>>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>>would
>>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl
>1
>>>>in
>>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>>final
>>>>>>score 250
>>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total
>final
>>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>>fell
>>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls
>are
>>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>>viewed
>>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>>Judges
>>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>>to
>>>>5
>>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>>is
>>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss
>SC.
>>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>>among
>>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>>come
>>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>>consistent
>>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>>>to
>>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>>>and
>>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>>thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>>most
>>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>>given
>>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect
>on
>>>a
>>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>>for
>>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle
>Maker.
>>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays
>a
>>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>>in
>>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>>>ad
>>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5
>for
>>>>>>miracle maker.
[> Subject: So so so boring. Move on.


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[> [> Subject: Re: So so so boring. Move on.


Author:
Amen! This is a job not a talent competition!!!!
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Date Posted: Thursday, August 01, 11:53:28am
[> [> [> Subject: except talent is 50%/35%. Maybe someone should inform MAO it's not a talent competition so that they can change the scoring....


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Date Posted: Thursday, August 01, 10:19:18pm
[> [> [> [> Subject: Since it is MAO's competition I guess they can score it hwoever they want.


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Date Posted: Friday, August 02, 08:20:16am
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: your attitude is exactly the reason that sponsor and the general public are telling them to screw off.


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Date Posted: Friday, August 02, 08:56:52pm
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Language Myrtle Mae!!


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Language Myrtle Mae!!


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