Exactly, like 5 independent and respectable judges would think to themselves, we just like Nichols so much, that I got to get her into top 16 regardless of how awful she was in prelims. Picture her now in top 16 the same independent respectable judges say, I'm still wowed by Nichols and she deserves to be in top 10....And in top 10, the independent judges would think, I don't care how awful Morgan sounds, I still think she deserves to win. Just think 5 judges thought this way. And ALL 5 said we don't care about the MAO scoring system we just like Morgan. IF THIS IS TRUE, MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE HOW WERE THE JUDGES CHARGED TO PICK THE NEXT MISS SC? -- SOUTH CAROLINA MAO - PLEASE NO BANNERS

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Subject: Exactly, like 5 independent and respectable judges would think to themselves, we just like Nichols so much, that I got to get her into top 16 regardless of how awful she was in prelims. Picture her now in top 16 the same independent respectable judges say, I'm still wowed by Nichols and she deserves to be in top 10....And in top 10, the independent judges would think, I don't care how awful Morgan sounds, I still think she deserves to win. Just think 5 judges thought this way. And ALL 5 said we don't care about the MAO scoring system we just like Morgan. IF THIS IS TRUE, MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE HOW WERE THE JUDGES CHARGED TO PICK THE NEXT MISS SC?

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Date Posted: Saturday, July 20, 05:38:37pm
In reply to: 's message, "Re: The lack of understanding is that some people believe some judges are set in place to low ball girls and throw points to another. No, one is questioning your eloquent explanation of how things could have went but NO RESPECTABLE judges would have placed Morgan Nichols in the top 40 talent. And for others who want people to believe she was slayed by the interview gods, in her first Miss SC competition is ludicrous and another reason to question what you are stating is possible. But what mostly likely happen, than your possible explanation is, THE PAGEANT WAS RIGGED!" on Saturday, July 20, 05:19:03pm

>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with highest
>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>prelim points=223.5
>>
>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>
>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl 1
>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>
>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall prelim
>>performance is given. The judge should stay consistent
>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>of the score.
>>
>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of the
>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim winner
>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>ratings)
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than girl
>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2 based
>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>speaking ability on stage.
>>
>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not score
>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1 in
>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>
>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>score 250
>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>score 225.5
>>
>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to 5
>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here and
>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>with numbers for final ballot and this final thought.
>>
>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and most
>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>miracle maker.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Judges give girls points that they like in interview. It is called the Halo effect. You saw it a lot when swimsuit was part of the competition. Also it only takes 3 judges scores and only 1 judge to give a convincing argument for 2 other judges to give a high composite score. How the judges are charged is a major factor on the outcome.

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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 04:55:27pm

>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>highest
>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>
>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>
>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>1
>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>
>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>prelim
>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>consistent
>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>>of the score.
>>>
>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>the
>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>winner
>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>>ratings)
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>girl
>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>based
>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>
>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>score
>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>in
>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>>score 250
>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>score 225.5
>>>
>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>5
>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>and
>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>thought.
>>>
>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>most
>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>miracle maker.

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