| Subject: She will NOT make it pass prelims! |
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Date Posted: Monday, July 15, 10:09:42pm
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- The word is PAST.....if you’re going to bash please do it correctly. (NT) -- No name, Tuesday, July 16, 07:41:29am
- Wanna bet? (NT) -- SC pageant fan, Wednesday, July 17, 08:27:56pm
- Re: Wanna bet? (NT) -- Stop complaining we have a wonderful smart and beautiful young lady representing us !, Thursday, July 18, 11:49:04pm
- Re: Wanna bet? No one denies your response of her beauty and intellect BUT some how you forgot TALENT which was 50% during preliminary. Even if she gained high scoring in every other area, there's no way should have scored mid range in talent. Out of 50 plus girls, Morgan Nichols in my scoring, scored at the bottom 10 talent. So what happened, I am uncertain, but I am certain that the pageant this year was clearly a mishap. And to imply that we should just move on and get behind the "most qualified winner", is an insult to those that observed prelims and the finals. It's like asking majority of the people to take a poof-be-gone pill, as if they didn't spend their money to see the events. (NT) -- No name, Friday, July 19, 09:33:38am
- perfect response. (NT) -- No name, Friday, July 19, 10:49:36am
- Re: Wanna bet? No one denies your response of her beauty and intellect BUT some how you forgot TALENT which was 50% during preliminary. Even if she gained high scoring in every other area, there's no way should have scored mid range in talent. Out of 50 plus girls, Morgan Nichols in my scoring, scored at the bottom 10 talent. So what happened, I am uncertain, but I am certain that the pageant this year was clearly a mishap. And to imply that we should just move on and get behind the "most qualified winner", is an insult to those that observed prelims and the finals. It's like asking majority of the people to take a poof-be-gone pill, as if they didn't spend their money to see the events. -- No name, Friday, July 19, 11:31:16am
- For those of you not good with math and lack understanding of the scoring system, click in long post -- No name, Saturday, July 20, 04:49:27pm
- Re: The lack of understanding is that some people believe some judges are set in place to low ball girls and throw points to another. No, one is questioning your eloquent explanation of how things could have went but NO RESPECTABLE judges would have placed Morgan Nichols in the top 40 talent. And for others who want people to believe she was slayed by the interview gods, in her first Miss SC competition is ludicrous and another reason to question what you are stating is possible. But what mostly likely happen, than your possible explanation is, THE PAGEANT WAS RIGGED! -- No name, Saturday, July 20, 05:19:03pm
- Exactly, like 5 independent and respectable judges would think to themselves, we just like Nichols so much, that I got to get her into top 16 regardless of how awful she was in prelims. Picture her now in top 16 the same independent respectable judges say, I'm still wowed by Nichols and she deserves to be in top 10....And in top 10, the independent judges would think, I don't care how awful Morgan sounds, I still think she deserves to win. Just think 5 judges thought this way. And ALL 5 said we don't care about the MAO scoring system we just like Morgan. IF THIS IS TRUE, MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE HOW WERE THE JUDGES CHARGED TO PICK THE NEXT MISS SC? -- No name, Saturday, July 20, 05:38:37pm
- Re: For those of you not good with math and lack understanding of the scoring system, click in long post -- No name, Saturday, July 20, 06:44:46pm
- Just to clarify two things, 1) Davia didn’t do the CMNH fundraising, crazy number of ad pages, or get sponsors and won. Since you wanted an example. 2) they only score the top 10, they don’t even score the top 15 in the first phase of competition. It’s the top 10 that is decided before the pageant, and then they add the next 5 highest scores to make a 15. But they are not actually scored. This is national as well. -- No name, Saturday, July 20, 09:35:50pm
- Also, the meeting was not eliminated. There is still a top 10 discussion from the judges immediately after the last night of prelims. It appears to me that in that case if judges don’t agree on the same person then the favorites of others could be low balled or their could high ball their own to make them win. This could lead to someone different winning. I’m not saying this is what happened, but it’s something to be considered. This isn’t Miss SC’s fault though as it’s a national issue. -- No name, Saturday, July 20, 09:39:19pm
- Re: I do not believe it's a MA thing alone but a MSCO. Judges are SUPPOSE to individuals NOT affiliated with any girls, board members and the like. So for 5 RESPECTABLE QUALIFYING JUDGES would have no affiliates with anyone, independently all thought alike in their scoring is VERY hard to fathom! I can see and have seen this going on a local level were people may know girls and are bias, but state....I believe something else is going on in SC, Not sure what but smells fishy. -- No name, Sunday, July 21, 08:20:44am
- This is where you are mistaken, under 2.0 rules there is no longer a top 10 discussion following the final preliminary competition. The judges meet to do the composite scoring but do NOT have a top 10 discussion in the Miss competition anymore. This information is from the national office and I am more than happy to provide the resource that says this as well if needed. -- No name, Monday, July 22, 03:30:05am
- Explain in detail the process of assigning composite scores if the meeting until 3 am no longer takes place. Also who from MAO is at the state pageant to see that the rules are followed. Unlike at locals where the field directors are present. So how is this really being policed? -- No name, Monday, July 22, 01:04:11pm
- Re: This is where you are mistaken, under 2.0 rules there is no longer a top 10 discussion following the final preliminary competition. The judges meet to do the composite scoring but do NOT have a top 10 discussion in the Miss competition anymore. This information is from the national office and I am more than happy to provide the resource that says this as well if needed. - Please provide! -- No name, Monday, July 22, 01:10:34pm
- Re. If this is true, the auditors, after prelims should have the scores by this point, correct? Then what is the purpose of them meeting to get the top 15? All of this is very confusing and makes it even more difficult to believe that we have a legitimate winner. -- No name, Monday, July 22, 08:11:02pm
- Low balling and high balling are eliminated with the highest and lowest scores being eliminated. Davia made top 5 in Miracle Maker and if judges scored correctly and did not inflate talent contestant 1 would not have made the cut. As stated. Yes composite score is assigned determines the out come. For instantance if the judges are told we are looking for someone fresh and new who is extremely well spoken and has the ability to help keep the pageant growing by connecting with the people in SC in a way that has not been done. We want someone that will take direction and put the organization before all else. Her speaking ability must be superb & showing she can bring in sponsors and fundraise.. Now what do you think the judges are looking to crown? Manipulation of who comes out on top is being shown to you in.more ways than one. The point was to show you how you can crown who you want to win. . -- No name, Sunday, July 21, 12:00:30am
- and you think judges would be charged to ignore talent? -- No name, Sunday, July 21, 01:21:32pm
- I am saying just because MAO increase talent to 50% doesn't mean the judges automatically will crown the most talented girl. A lot of the outcome is based on how the judges were charged which we do not see and what is discussed in the composite score meeting. -- No name, Sunday, July 21, 04:43:06pm
- Re: It's not hard to believe that the judges may have been charged based on MSCO standards v/s the MAO. If this is so, then MSCO charge clearly to the judges were we do not care about if Miss SC doesn’t win MA, we just want someone to come back with assisting our program. If this be so, then MSCO need to cut their ties with the MAO, and become an independent pageant like some of the other states. But the girls that currently competes for Miss SC, have the hope of winning MA, and or performing their talent on the MA stage. So, instead of SC getting girls hopes up, tell all of them to quit spending excessive amount of money on talent coaches and costumes. They need to be transparent. But lets be CLEAR the judges were NOT charged to pick the most well rounded talented girl that can possibly help SC win MA. -- No name, Sunday, July 21, 09:31:14pm
- To clarify: Davia got in miracle maker top 5 at MAO, but she was not there at Miss SC, nor was she in Quality of Life or any of those other side awards which goes to show it wasn’t relevant. -- No name, Sunday, July 21, 11:35:34pm
- long post: very good explanation. Especially the last paragraph. -- No name, Sunday, July 21, 01:52:32pm
- Re: I find it easy for MSCO and others to shift the blame on the judges and/or the MAO scoring system but if SC Board were the ones who charged the judges and the judges gave them what they wanted, then the judges were wrong to not send the best candidate to compete in ALL phases of competition, BUT ULTIMATELY it's MSCO that is at fault! -- No name, Sunday, July 21, 09:39:49pm
- But also you have to think of it in terms of them trying to select what they think MAO wants. Last year at MAO the top 10 was some terrible and boring talents but some super smart and well spoken girls. That’s what they made it seem like 2.0 wanted, even though they emphasized talent. I know everyone watched Miss America and scratched their heads thinking where is the talent? Maybe that’s what they thought MAO wanted and the board charged the judges with picking what would do well at MAO, so that’s what they went with based on what they saw. I get that it’s frustrating and hard to understand, but it’s just a pageant, it’s not the end of the world, and it’s not worth stressing over. You either participate in it or you don’t if you don’t want to. There are plenty of other things for you to do with your time if you can’t make sense of this. Either way, it has happened, and it’s time to move on and find something new to worry about. -- No name, Sunday, July 21, 11:39:39pm
- Re: NOT SO!!! When MA was transitioning last year majority of the girls, including Davia, was scored under the old MA scoring system, during state competition because majority competed in swimsuit that won for their state. So, not seeing really good talent last year it's surprising. And to imply SUPER smart, there were a variety of education backgrounds, including the current MA being a music major. MSCO is again isn't concern about MSC winning MA, they're concern is the "BEST" in their eyes, as a state representative -- No name, Monday, July 22, 10:02:09am
- Re: You're correct it is just a pageant! However, the concern of many is emphasis on "Legitimate and Fair Pageant" While others such as yourself, continues to make excuses for the results, the majority is wanting transparency. AGAIN, to ask others to move on, as if they don't have eyes or ears is even more ignorance than your POSSIBLE excuse for the outcome. So can the majority of us assume the Morgan Nichols was your pick from the onset? -- No name, Monday, July 22, 10:21:09am
- You say majority yet you’re hiding behind a board without posting your name, and y’alls stupid petition surely didn’t get any signatures or you’d be sharing it all over. If it was a majority you’d actually hear a majority of people speaking up. Instead, it’s clear from the IP addresses that it’s the same 3 people complaining about everything, and guess what? We can track where you’re located so we can easily find out who you are. But nobody cares enough to do that because you are in the minority of people who are still whining about this dang pageant. It’s not like it’s the presidential election or something that actually matters. And no Morgan was not my pick from the onset, but after getting to speak with her I can see very clearly why they liked her, and it became less surprising to me why she won. -- No name, Monday, July 22, 11:31:44pm
- Okay. -- No name, Tuesday, July 23, 07:35:28am
- Re: Okay. -- No name, Wednesday, July 24, 10:19:17am
- Re: Okay. -- No name, Thursday, August 08, 09:58:47am
- Re: You're ignorant to call the concerns of others STUPID. I don't believe you have given your name either. And if you have it narrow down so well, there's no way you came up with 3. All the people on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and anonymous viewers that comes on this board for answers. Silence doesn't mean others ignored what took place. Trust we are the majority that believes that this system unfairly handle the pageant and not just this year only. So you go a head and take a poof-be-gone pill if you like, but others/majority is still deserves answers. Finally, you mentioned speaking with the winner, no one denies she may be a good spokes person but so were many of the other candidates, just more talented. -- No name, Tuesday, July 23, 09:19:14am
- So so so boring. Move on. (NT) -- No name, Wednesday, July 31, 05:08:26pm
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