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Date Posted: 16:20:27 10/26/05 Wed
Author: Sophist
Subject: I was making a somewhat different point
In reply to: Celebaelin 's message, "Free Lunches" on 14:50:00 10/26/05 Wed

My point was that there are dozens of cases in which our heroes used magic with no "consequences", only benefits. It is this fact which refutes Spike's statement in Aferlife that "there's always consequences. Always." The show just didn't follow that rule, except when it was convenient in S6.

Two points about your examples:

One, implicit in my point above, is that you left out the more numerous examples in which magic had no consequences at all.

The other is that the examples you cite aren't really ones where there was a consequence in the sense of Afterlife or Wrecked, though Restless works pretty well and Jonathan's shadow beast in Superstar might also. The rest are ones where the spell didn't work right (e.g., BB&B) or the spell had an evil intent so naturally badness ensued (e.g., The Wish) or Buffy foiled the wrongness (e.g., Witch).

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Re: I was making a somewhat different point -- Celebaelin, 18:20:33 10/26/05 Wed
- Re: I was making a somewhat different point -- Sunshine, 19:12:03 10/26/05 Wed
  - Laws of physics -- Sophist, 19:43:44 10/26/05 Wed
  - Re: I was making a somewhat different point -- MaeveRigan, 05:17:09 10/30/05 Sun
A couple of things about this -- manwitch, 04:35:33 10/27/05 Thu
- And just to clarify the point about Spike's statement... -- manwitch, 04:48:33 10/27/05 Thu
  - Not forgetting (which obviously I was)... -- Celebaelin, 08:23:46 10/27/05 Thu
  - Cause and consequence -- Sophist, 08:41:42 10/27/05 Thu
    - Re: Cause and consequence -- manwitch, 09:49:49 10/27/05 Thu
      - Re: Cause and consequence -- Sophist, 10:58:21 10/27/05 Thu
        In my spare time -- Celebaelin, 12:21:01 10/27/05 Thu
        I think you just proved too much -- Sophist, 12:52:51 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: surrection -- Celebaelin, 13:38:44 10/27/05 Thu
        Some quick counterexamples -- Sophist, 13:58:58 10/27/05 Thu
        And my counter -- Celebaelin, 14:27:37 10/27/05 Thu
        Why a scythe -- Sunshine, 14:54:03 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Why a scythe - translation problem ? -- Rich, 18:15:23 10/28/05 Fri
        Or -- Celebaelin, 03:25:30 10/29/05 Sat
        Re: Or -- Jane, 15:57:14 10/29/05 Sat
        True, but... -- Celebaelin, 16:10:45 10/29/05 Sat
        Re: Or -- manwitch, 04:46:07 10/31/05 Mon
        Holistic links -- Celebaelin, 05:03:12 10/31/05 Mon
        Coup de grass! Whilst we're OT -- Celebaelin, 15:13:03 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Coup de grass! Whilst we're OT -- Sunshine, 17:25:45 10/27/05 Thu
        Flaws in your counter -- Sophist, 15:44:07 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Flaws in your counter -- Sophist, 15:45:08 10/27/05 Thu
        Dancing lights and Faerie fire -- Celebaelin, 16:58:04 10/27/05 Thu
        Re: Dancing lights and Faerie fire -- MarkM, 03:33:57 10/31/05 Mon
        Emphasis -- Celebaelin, 05:30:15 10/31/05 Mon
        Re: Emphasis -- MarkM, 05:32:18 11/01/05 Tue
        Certainty -- Celebaelin, 06:17:29 11/02/05 Wed
        Agreed. (NT) -- Sophist, 08:40:34 10/31/05 Mon

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