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Vietnam Security Police Association, Inc. (USAF)
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The Vietnam Security Police Association, Inc. (USAF) is an association for USAF Vietnam War Veterans
who served in Vietnam or Thailand from 1960-1975 as Security / Air Police, or as an augmentee.
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All Questions or Comments to VSPA Bulletin Board Flight Leader Bill Marshall

Vietnam Security Police Association, Inc. (USAF)

  • Names on The Wall to fly in space -- Phil Carroll - LM #336, Wed, Aug 20 2008, 13:28:08 PDT (dd.fws.gov/164.159.60.2)
    NAMES ON VIETNAM WAR MEMORIAL WALL TO FLY IN SPACE

    Names inscribed on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C. will be engraved on a microchip that will fly in space on NASA's Stardust mission to a comet, project officials have announced.

    The names will join those of more than 400,000 people who have already submitted their names to fly, free-of-charge, on the Stardust spacecraft, which is scheduled for launch next February on a round-trip to a comet.

    "This almost will be like sending a miniature version of the Vietnam Memorial into space as an eternal tribute to those who fell in America's longest war," said Jan Scruggs, founder and president of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund. There are 58,214 names inscribed on the memorial, Scruggs said. Approximately 2,500,000 people visit "The Wall" each year, making the Vietnam Veterans Memorial the most visited in Washington, D.C.

    - The full story is available at: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news27.html


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  • HONORING A VIRGINIA HERO WHILE THE TEARS FLOW. -- Sam Lewis, B Flt. Security , 35th SPS, PR 67-68, Wed, Aug 20 2008, 13:26:12 PDT (pool-72-66-164-43.ronkva.east.verizon.net/72.66.164.43)
    "No Greater Love Than for One to Give His Life to Save Another".

    This fine young man stepped in front of a Suicide Bomber aproaching his group in Iraq recently, grabbed him and held him while instructing his platoon to take cover saving the entire platoon sacrificing himself. The bomb went off killing this hero .

    From What I understand from talking to several who are supposed to Know , this Brave Hero 's wife will be receiving the Congression Medal Of Honor in his behalf in a ceremony next week before his body is flown here for final internment.
    Ruth and I will Proudly stand with others to Honor the life and sacrifice of this fine young man. NEXT WEEK IS GOING TO BE A HECTIC EMOTIONALL ONE FOR ME, RUTH and OTHERS. In addition to attempting to cram 5 days work into 4 , honoring this hero Ruth and I will be traveling 125 miles to Danville, Va. next Thursday nite on the bikes to attend a National Patriot Guard Rally next weekend Ruth. Please stand with us and keep us all in your thoughts and prayers for a safe week. Thks and God Bless, Sam



    -----Inline Attachment Follows-----

    MISSION IS CONFIRMED



    Folks,



    The PGR mission to honor our Hero Sgt Kenneth Gibson IS A GO. We have been formally invited by the family to stand in honor of Sgt Gibson as follows: (please understand that all information is tentative and subject to change, but we do not expect it to change at this time).



    VISITATION:

    Monday August 25th, 2008

    3-7 PM



    McCoy Funeral Home

    150 Country Club Drive SW

    Blacksburg, VA 24060

    Phone: 540-552-3211



    LOCATION MAP: http://tinyurl.com/5ec53f



    FUNERAL SERVICE:

    Tuesday August 26th, 2008

    10 AM



    Blacksburg Baptist Church

    550 North Main St.

    Blacksburg, Virginia 24060

    (540) 552-3869



    LOCATION MAP: http://tinyurl.com/6lbaqc



    BURIAL SITE:

    Roselawn Cemetery-Christiansburg, VA



    STAGING INFORMATION-Visitation



    Please meet at the funeral home at 2:30 PM with 3X5 flag for flag line. We will provide flag line as friends and community come to pay their respects to the family.





    STAGING INFORMATION-Funeral



    Please meet at the Blacksburg Baptist Church at 9:15 AM with 3X5 flag for flag line. We will provide flag line as guests enter and leave the funeral service. We fully anticipate escorting Sgt Gibson to his final resting place at Roselawn Cemetery in Christiansburg after the service. If you have 3X5 flag for your bike please set that up as well.



    MORE INFORMATION WILL COME REGARDING ANY POSIBLE ESCORT OF SGT GIBSON FROM AN AIRPORT TO THE FUNERAL HOME ON SATURDAY AUGUST 23RD. THIS INFO IS NOT YET FINALIZED. THE MILITARY IS NOW CONSIDERING DUBLIN, VA AIRPPORT FOR HIS ARRIVAL.



    Ride Captain is: Gerry McGrath 540-239-2555

    Assisted by: Jim 'borlo' Borling 540-797-3753

    borlo@patriotguard.org



    Follow the PGR Mission Thread for updated information.



    Respectfully Submitted,



    borlo


    --
    Jim 'borlo' Borling
    Patriot Guard Riders-PGR
    District 2 Captain for Virginia
    540-797-3753

    borlo@patriotguard.org
    http://www.radford.edu\~jborling
    http://www.MusicVisionsLLC


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  • Lee Marvin, Captain Kangaroo and Mr Rogers.... -- Bill Morris, Tue, Aug 19 2008, 23:55:25 PDT (66-169-132-7.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com/66.169.132.7)


    Some of you might already know of their heroism, just copy and paste the following site to read about them. Indeed, as the web site (which I located) states, "Take the time to thank anyone that has fought for our freedom. With encouragement they could be the next Captain Kangaroo or Mr. Rogers."

    http://www.bluesalley.net/Fans/thecorps/guess.html


    God bless you all and thank you for my freedom.
    -- Bill Morris


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  • My perspective on PTSD -- Steve Howell, Tue, Aug 19 2008, 11:05:13 PDT (c-71-236-205-138.hsd1.wa.comcast.net/71.236.205.138)
    This posting is a rarity for me, but with the discussions on PTSD a position needs to be acknowledged.

    As a SAT leader at Phu Cat from 1967-68 , I understand stress, I responded to more than 200 calls from SP’s in bunkers, towers and K-9 patrols, guarding the perimeter of the base. Not more than 0.03% were penetrations from the Viet gong or the NVA, but the unknown can create a greater stress than an actual event. We all were under trained and ill-equipped to be a last line of defense for a US base in Vietnam, but the dialogues on the VSPA web page is creating a disservice to the 82nd, 101st, ROK, and Marines, who kept Charlie out of our back yard, and kept our “bases from being overrun.”

    We defenders did an exceptional job and several paid the ultimate price in doing so, so let honor those who truly need to be recognized and rest suck it up.


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  • PTSD and Security Police. -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Tue, Aug 19 2008, 4:26:02 PDT (ip68-14-6-65.ri.ri.cox.net/68.14.6.65)
    A friend of mine, a SP who served with me in 'Nam was wondering if it's possible for a regular SP to get a claim through for PTSD. I know he's been through a lot because I shared some of it on the same base.
    In my opinion, one rocket attack would be enough for anyone, but my opinion and the VA don't often coincide.
    This is a serious inquiry from an upstanding friend and one who deserves your help.
    For you police detectives and Dr. Phil types, I assure you that this is for a friend.


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  • Reup -- Kevin Marston, Mon, Aug 18 2008, 21:09:30 PDT (cache05.dca.untd.com/64.136.27.229)
    Can anyone tell me if I will need to send another copy of my DD214 if I am a Charter member and have just reuped.


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  • and I approve of this message....... -- Howard Yates (just a verse), Sun, Aug 17 2008, 17:38:24 PDT (198.56.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com/97.100.56.198)
    Ode de Politico

    Campaign debates and promises many
    The candidates offer it all
    Just look in their eyes and then you’ll surmise
    Which one has the most on the ball.

    And try, if you can, to look beyond words
    Judge each by the deeds of their past
    For these are the things that matter the most
    And often the ones that will last.

    Howard Yates
    © August 18, 2008


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  • Duties of Doghandlers in Vietnam -- Thomas Wilson, Sun, Aug 17 2008, 14:27:21 PDT (cm-24-121-156-231.stjoseph.mo.npgco.com/24.121.156.231)
    NOT SURE IF I POSTED THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE ON THIS SITE, GUESS THAT HAPPENS AFTER 60.
    I AM RE-FILING A CLAIM FOR PTSD AND THE AMERICAN LEIGON REP SAID THAT I NEEDED TO HAVE VERIFICATION AS TO WHAT THE DUTIES WE DOGHANDLERS IN VIETNAM DID. HE SAID THAT UNLESS WE WERE MARINE OR ARMY, THE VETERAN'S CLAIMANT CENTER IN ST. LOUIS FEEL THAT WE WERE NOT IN HARMS WAY. HE WENT ON TO SAY THEY FELT THAT WE AND OUR DOG WALKED AROUND THE AIRCRAFT, WALKED THRU THE LIVING QUARTERS AT BIEN HOA.
    IT IS SAD, THAT WHEN WE GOT BACK FROM OVER THERE, WE WERE CONSIDERED AS CHILD MURDERER'S, AND RAPEST & LOWER THAN WHALE DODO. WHEN WE SAID HOW PROUD WE WERE TO HAVE SERVED IN NAM, BUT WERE TOLD, "JUST KEEP SILENT, WE'RE TRYING TO FORGET IT!!" MY OLDEST SON FOUGHT IN DESERT STORM, WITH 3RD ARMOURED, MY YOUNGEST SON IS GETTING READY FOR HIS SECOND TOUR IN IRAQ, HE IS A SSGT IN THE ARMY. I AM PROUD OF BOTH OF THEM, AND I PROUDLY TELL EVERYONE, I HAVE BUMPER STICKERS, FLAGS & WHATEVER ELSE TO SHOW HOW PROUD I AM. I WILL NOT LET THEM BE DISCREDITED FOR SERVING THEIR COUNTRY. GUESS I HAVE BABBLED ENOUGH.
    TOM


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  • Tropic Thunder -- Howard Yates, Sun, Aug 17 2008, 7:15:13 PDT (198.56.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com/97.100.56.198)
    Did any else see the movie Tropic Thunder. I took the family to see it Friday night. I was disappointed and perhaps a bit offended. Okay, I’m a bit sensitive about anything to do with Vietnam, but this was supposed to be a comedy and I felt like asking for a refund when I left the theater.


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  • The Flag -- Jerry Walker, Sat, Aug 16 2008, 22:05:34 PDT (pool-71-173-98-122.lyncva.east.verizon.net/71.173.98.122)
    I hope you all have been enjoying the olympics.
    I was wandering If anyone else was as upset as I was during the opening.
    What I saw (and I have it on tape) was that allowed a naturalised citizen to carry the US flag but never told him how to hold it. Not only did he hold it down but of all things he let it drag the ground.
    I guess the veterns are the only one's that care.


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  • UPDATE ON SECURITY FORCES MISSION AT BALAD -- Steve Gattis, VSPA President, Sat, Aug 16 2008, 15:14:57 PDT (h72.5.172.72.ip.alltel.net/72.172.5.72)
    For a very informative update on the Security Forces mission both inside and outside the wire at Balad Air Base, Iraq, please use the following link to an official press release published in Valdosta, Georgia, (Moody AFB) the home of the 820th Security Forces Group and the 822nd, 823rd and 824th Security Forces Squadrons. The article is too long to print here, but it is outstanding.

    http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/local/local_story_225232729.html

    Col. Decknick and the men and women who hosted our reunion in 2005 are doing an incredible job and have made certain that the public knows about the lessons learned in Vietnam.

    When you get to the bottom of the article, be sure to click on the "read more" link.

    My best to you.
    Steve

    Steve Gattis, President
    Vietnam Security Police Association
    Life Member #49
    Cam Ranh Bay 68 - 69


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  • Wall Washing -- Gary Jones, LM-363, Sat, Aug 16 2008, 7:40:39 PDT (cpe-098-025-046-219.sc.res.rr.com/98.25.46.219)
    It's time to wash the Vietnam Veteran's Memorial (The Wall) and the Korea Veteran's Memorial again. Eagle Chapter, Air Force Security Police Association will form up the detail at The Wall at 0600 on Saturday morning, Aug 30th...two weeks from today.

    It is 515 miles from my home to DC and I plan to make it...I hope to see many of you there.

    Fire a flare (e-mail) over my bunker if you have any questions.


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  • VSPA website BANNED in China -- Don Poss, Sat, Aug 16 2008, 1:03:55 PDT (cpe-75-82-190-17.socal.res.rr.com/75.82.190.17)
    Gents:

    Something to think about while watching the China Olympics:

    The Vietnam Security Police Association, Inc. website is BANNED in China ... but honored in America. According to Harvard University, that has been the case for many years.

    Communist countries do not like US military veterans' web sites. VSPA occasionally receives requests from "journalists" in peace-loving Vietnam for permission to publish a story appearing at VSPA.com. The last time we received that request it was suggested to Vietnam they publish the accounts of several "rehabilitated" SVN soldiers, several of whom spent many memorable years in prison at the end of the war--after all ... their stories would convey warm human interest.

    Permission has not been granted to publish our stories in communist countries. Truth is, we simply do not know how they would use the stories, and in what "out-of-context manner" that could paint us as villains. And of course, they do that anyway ... just not with our help.

    Meanwhile ... I don’t think they picked up on our suggestion.

    Don Poss


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  • Looking for a buddy -- Ken Neal LM 80, Fri, Aug 15 2008, 17:45:53 PDT (ACBF8E1E.ipt.aol.com/172.191.142.30)
    Hey guys a new member without internet access is looking for a buddy maybe someone out there can help. The gut searching is Raymond Jones he's looking for Norman C Wingate. Went to VN from Ellsworth in 1966. Wingate was from the Baltamore area. Was in VN 66-67 in the delta area. Any help would be appreciated.


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  • Something Special Happended Today -- Bill Marshall L/M 85, Fri, Aug 15 2008, 13:28:20 PDT (wsip-64-147-1-138.oc.oc.cox.net/64.147.1.138)
    Today I returned my leased vehicle to the local dealership. A young man in the lease department while assiting me noticed my Vietnam Campaign Sticker and immediately said "Welcome Home" and thank you for your service to our country. He went on to explain that he had just finished his tour in the Marines with 3 deployments in Iraq and his father had been a Vietnam veteran and knew and understood how under appreciated we were when we returned. We talked about the similarities and differences that exist in these two wars, but one thing in commonality was the comraderie each had for the soldiers they served with. He explained that he was in Falugah (SP) Irag when they took over the city and I noticed that 1000 yard stare in his eyes as he related the events of that campaign. I learned that many Marines suffer from PTSD but decline help beacuse the active Marine culture looks down on this as a sign of weakness. I was sorry to hear this as we all know that without treatment PTSD is a very menacing condition to ones physical and emotional well being. I thanked this young Hero
    for his service, and gave him my card if he ever wanted or needed someone to talk with that I would be there for him.


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  • TV Shows -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Fri, Aug 15 2008, 11:45:50 PDT (ip68-14-6-65.ri.ri.cox.net/68.14.6.65)
    Before the Olympics and when the Red Sox were not playing my wife and I were having a hard time finding something bearable to even watch on TV. I thought of some old shows that I'd like to see again and got to wondering why they can't put something watchable on.
    If you had the ability to bring back an old program or TV series or variety show, which shows would you like to see?
    Just trying to lighten things up a bit.


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  • Where does your VA Hospital Rate? -- Gary Jones, LM-363, Fri, Aug 15 2008, 10:49:01 PDT (cpe-098-025-046-219.sc.res.rr.com/98.25.46.219)
    Out of 155 VA Hospitals across the country, Erie, PA was ranked #1 and El Paso, Texas was ranked last. My local VA was rated #10 (up from #79, just 2 years ago).

    Maybe everyone should go ask their Hospital Administrator where they ranked, and watch them either squirm or beam with pride, depending on their rating. To my way of thinking, any hospital ranked in the bottom 25% owes their Vets and the taxpayers an explanation.


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  • Blast from the past -- Jack Smith 377th SPS 68 -69 LM 453, Fri, Aug 15 2008, 7:56:00 PDT (adsl-99-174-173-175.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net/99.174.173.175)
    What a treat I had last night and early this morning. As I was watering the garden around 17;30 lastnight. I heard the sound of a strange aircraft approching. Looking towards the sound in the western sky I saw to planes. What a thrill to see a B-17 and B-24 cutting their way around the sky just over head. Mt father flew B-24's out of England in WW2 and trained people to fly after the war. I watched as they cirlced and made the approch to Bolten Air Field about 20 miles from me. This morning at 8am I was first in line to see these great birds. I spent about 30 minutes on each plane. Its hard to beleive that these are still flying. My one mistake was that I left the house this morning without my camera. They are leaving this evening. So I hope to get back before they leave or catch them flying back over as they do with my video. That was $24.00 dollars well spent. Jack


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  • Another Sad Upcomming PGR Mission for a local Hero. -- Sam Lewis, B Flt. Security , 35th SPS, PR 67-68, Thu, Aug 14 2008, 19:05:45 PDT (pool-72-66-164-43.ronkva.east.verizon.net/72.66.164.43)
    I got this from one of my CMA contacts here in the Valley. Such and Honor for him and what he did but so sad.


    We just received an email from Athena's husband, Rob Gibson about their son, SSGT .Kenny Gibson WHO was killed in Iraq.


    The email says that Kenny's battalion was called to investigate a roadside bomb in Iraq and secure the area. When they arrived, Kenny encountered a suicide bomber running toward his battalion. He instructed his men to take cover and attempted to subdue the bomber by pushing him away when the bomb detonated. He was able to keep his other batallion members safe and remains the only fatality from this incident.
    Due to these circumstances, a memorial service will be held at Schoefield Base in Hawaii where he was Permanently stationed on Wednesday August 20th, where Kenny's wife will receive the CONNGRESSIONAL MEDAL OF HONOR in his honor.
    Immediately after the memorial service, Kenny's wife will return to Christiansburg. Kenny will arrive home on Sat. Aug 23rd aboard the militay Heroes transport. Once Kenny is home, the specifics of the funeral will be announced by the military. He will be buried at Roselawn Cemetary in Christiansburg, Va. with full military honors.
    Thank you all for your thoughts & prayers!


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  • MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR BILL McKISSICK -- Steve Gattis, VSPA President, Thu, Aug 14 2008, 16:18:08 PDT (h72.5.172.72.ip.alltel.net/72.172.5.72)
    It was my honor to represent the VSPA at the memorial service for Bill McKissick, especially for the members of the 377th who served with Mac at Tan Son Nhut Air Base during TET of 1968.

    The service was a very dignified memorial tribute to a career skycop who retired from the Air Force and continued his career in civilian law enforcement. Family and friends attended, including a US Navy friend from high school who flew in from Portland to visit. They had gone to the recruiters and enlisted together, although in different branches of the service. They maintained contact over the years and managed to see each other a few times while they were both in the service.

    An Air Force Chaplain conducted the service. There was a formal Air Force Honor Guard there, too. They did an outstanding job and were very sharp. Mac will be cremated, so there was no casket. The Honor Guard performed the finest flag folding ceremony I have ever seen. They performed the following very slowly with sharp, crisp hand movements that caused an audible snap with each movement. They took the folded flag from a display at the front of the chapel and each one of them honored the flag as they passed it from the display through the hands of each member of the Honor Guard to the Commander of the Guard. They unfolded the flag, passing it back through the hands of each member until it was open. They inspected the flag, then refolded the flag and presented it to Val in the chapel. The Commander of the Guard then escorted Val along with Mac's family and friends out of the chapel where we could observe the Honor Guard's final tribute to Mac.

    The Honor Guard members fired a three volley salute to Mac and a bugler played Taps. The Commander of the Guard gathered the brass and presented the casings to Val, tucking them into the folded flag for her. Then six white doves were released from a box that was covered on the sides with a U.S. flag.

    Val and the family went back inside where we could all meet and talk in a reception room. I waited for family to finish and then went to speak with Val. I talked to her about the VSPA members who knew and loved Mac as a brother, and spoke specifically about the men who served with Mac at Tan Son Nhut, explaining that Mac's character and leadership as the sergeant in charge of Alpha Sector for Charlie Flight had been an essential factor in the survival of many men during TET and made a huge difference in their lives, both on and off duty.

    Val introduced me to her grandson and explained that his brother had just returned to Iraq after visiting with Mac shortly before he died. I told him about Mac, about the feelings all of you shared and how special he was to all of the VSPA members who knew him, served with him and met him at reunions. I also told them both about how Mac would lead you in prayer before posting his troops.

    Val said to tell all of you thanks for remembering Mac over the years and said that it had meant a lot to Mac to know that he had made a difference. They enjoyed coming to reunions together and said that the emails continued to come in from members of the VSPA and the VSPA Sisterhood.

    Val explained that Mac would be interred at the VA Cemetery in Dallas after he was cremated. She said that the funeral home will call her when his ashes are ready and that she will have to transport them to the cemetery after making an appointment with the VA. I asked that she contact me so that she would not have to do that alone. She said that Frank Ybarbo had also asked to be notified when that happened. We will help her through all of that to make sure that she is okay.

    I know that many of you wished that you could be there. I am proud that I could be there for you.

    In friendship and brotherhood.
    Steve


    Steve Gattis, President
    Vietnam Security Police Association
    Life Member #49
    Cam Ranh Bay 68 - 69


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  • Security Forces Member WIA -- Gary Jones, LM-363, Thu, Aug 14 2008, 14:50:12 PDT (cpe-098-025-046-219.sc.res.rr.com/98.25.46.219)
    Eagle Chapter, Air Force Security Police Association is reporting a seriously wounded Security Forces Airmen
    who has been medically evacuated from Afghanistan to Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC.

    SSgt Nicholas Bradley suffered multiple injuries through an improvised explosive device (IED). SSgt Bradley, 25, is assigned to 96 SFS, Eglin AFB Florida.

    The 316th SFS at Andrews Air Force Base Maryland is providing Family Liaison Officer support. For more information, see the links below:

    http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/index.ssf?/base/news/1218014164290670.xml&coll=1

    http://timesfreepress.com/news/2008/aug/13/tennessee-escalating-violence-afghanistan-hits-hom/?local

    Please pray for Nick, his wife, Chantel, two year old daughter, Khaila, and family.

    Eagle Chapter is actively involved in supporting the Security Forces troops evacuated to Walter Reed and their families through the Wounded Warrior Program. The VSPA made a donation to Eagle Chapter a few months ago to assist them in their efforts. They can always use more donations (hint-hint).


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  • Thank You -- Roger Lansden, Tue, Aug 12 2008, 20:55:47 PDT (NoHost/71.237.139.66)
    Just wanted to say thank you all for your prayers, emails and cards. You brought a tear to my eye Ramps. I went through my first Chemo treatment last Fri. Not much fun being hooked up for 6 hrs but all things considering it went well. No side effects during the process and so far I am holding up OK. I have returned back to work. Some time later I would like to make a post about my life experiences and the miracles that have been blessed upon me. It could be a long story so I'll save it for later. VSPA has been one of the best experiences of my life and I think the world of you all. A special thanks to you Chaplin Jim for helping me get over the hump.


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  • Oldest son's travels -- Jack Jobes, Panther Flight , 35 SPS, Phan Rang, 67-68, Tue, Aug 12 2008, 17:11:15 PDT (NoHost/69.183.117.126)
    Would like to ask for your prayers for my oldest son. He retired from Army this month as a medic (was Spec Forces Medic for 10 yrs) and is headed this Saturday to Afghanistan as a civilian medic in a public affairs group.
    Gives me another one to worry about along with his younger brother who is in Kuwait with Army reserves. Thanks for any thoughts for them in your devotions..Jack Jobes


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  • Patches -- Jack Smith 377th SPS 68-69 LM 453, Tue, Aug 12 2008, 14:00:32 PDT (adsl-99-168-73-94.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net/99.168.73.94)
    Just for you information. I was scanning ebay. Typed in police patches vietnam. Got a list of 37 patches. All services. Here are the Air Force ones. listed 483rd SPS 315th SPS, 8th SPS, 6251stSPS Armorer, 82nd SPS and 56th SPS. Just thought I would pass this info on. Jack


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  • Poem an Old Cowboy's look at life -- Jack Smith 377th SPS 68-69 LM 453, Tue, Aug 12 2008, 12:21:17 PDT (adsl-76-228-105-95.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net/76.228.105.95)
    Brothers: I thought you might enjoy an outlook on life from the Old Cowboys eyes. Jack
    The Old Pocket Knife
    It was 1910 in the train station in Cheyenne
    An old cowboy sitting with pocket knife in hand
    Just an old knife he said had it for years
    Seen plenty of laughs and many tears

    I was thirty in eighteen sixty three
    Rode with old Stonewall to see General Lee
    Fought for the South to the end
    Didn’t want to give up but knew we couldn’t win

    Rode west in seventy two
    Spent time with some Lakota Sioux
    Traveled down to Texas but didn’t stay
    Not liking the way the land lay

    I broke horses and herded some steers
    Drank my share of warm stale beers
    But I’ll tell friend it’s now my trails end
    Truth being I have slipped a time or two to sin

    I have strived to live my life
    Like I keep this old knife
    If you neglect it, it becomes useless and dull
    And the blade becomes hard to pull

    Keep it clean and always sharp
    Then maybe you can collect a heavenly harp
    The old Cowboy stood and gave me a grin
    Saying here take this knife my young friend

    As I sat looking at it laying in my hand
    Thinking who is this grand old man
    As I looked up he was no where in sight
    With the gift he left he had shown me the light

    Now to my years have flown by
    Knowing I have found grace in God’s eye
    With the old Cowboys advice I kept in maintained
    Now as he did, I sit here waiting on my final train
    Edwin J. Smith
    The Old Cowboy Poet
    www.poetypoem.com/theoldcowboy


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  • Bill McKissick, VSPA Member (RIP) -- Val McKissick, Tue, Aug 12 2008, 11:55:06 PDT (cpe-75-82-190-17.socal.res.rr.com/75.82.190.17)
    [Email received on 08/12/2008]

    It is with deep sadness that I write this letter to you all. Bill McKissick or Mac as some of you may know him, passed away in his sleep on the 10th of August, after a lengthy illness, we just celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary and Bill's 72nd birthday, I could not have asked for a better husband or partner in life and will miss him more than words can say.

    Should anyone feel it necessary to send flowers please make a donation to your favorite charity on behalf of Bill. Thanks for your friendship Bill thought highly of each and everyone of you and considered it an honor to be called your friend.

    Val McKissick


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  • GI Bill -- Jerry Walker, Tue, Aug 12 2008, 8:55:33 PDT (pool-71-173-125-23.lyncva.east.verizon.net/71.173.125.23)
    I went to meeting for seniors yesterday and one of the speakers was our Rep. Bob Goodlatt who spported the new bill. As he was being interduced by the President of Lynchburg College he said that the College also supported the bill and would match it so the cost of tuition would be 0 now how can you beat that. He also sais that he didno say free because that would be giving you somthing. But you can't give somthing that has already been earned.
    Rep. Goodlatt said that he hoped that other college and universitys would do the same. Shame on them if thay don't.


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  • We've Lost a Brother -- Stan Morris, TSN-LE 67-68, LM-254, Las Vegas, NV, Tue, Aug 12 2008, 6:21:10 PDT (ip72-193-12-166.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.12.166)
    I just received the following from George Graham.

    "It is with deep sadness that I write this letter to you all. Bill McKissick or Mac as some of you may know him, passed away in his sleep on the 10th of August, after a lengthy illness"

    Our Prayers are with Val at this time of her loss.


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  • Agent Orange - Prostate Cancer Linked -- Stan Morris, TSN-LE 67-68, LM-254, Las Vegas, NV, Tue, Aug 12 2008, 4:33:47 PDT (ip72-193-12-166.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.12.166)
    Stumbled onto this article on military .com

    Agent Orange - Prostate Cancer Linked
    Week of August 11, 2008

    UC Davis Cancer Center physicians released research data showing that Vietnam War veterans exposed to Agent Orange have greatly increased risks of prostate cancer and even greater risks of getting the most aggressive form of the disease, compared to those who were not exposed. Based on medical evaluations conducted between 1998 and 2006 of 13,000 Vietnam veterans, twice as many veterans exposed to Agent Orange were identified with prostate cancer. The findings will appear in the Sept. 15, 2008 issue of the Journal of Cancer. A copy of the study can be requested by e-mailing Amy Molnar at amolnar@wiley.com. For more information on the UC Davis Cancer Center, visit its website. http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/cancer/


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  • Post Check -- Jack Smith 377th SPS 68-69 LM 453, Mon, Aug 11 2008, 23:50:26 PDT (adsl-75-42-210-251.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net/75.42.210.251)
    02:45 Mian Gate all in order. Weather is crisp and clear. Been watching the meterior showers. For all you night owls who can not sleep like me. Go out and watch the sky. The showers are going on and will peak on Tues night after midnight. Counted 17 in the last hour. Bob got any eggs and ham in those "C" rsts??? got the ole belly cramps out here and need something till the chow opens later. Jack The Old Cowboy poet


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  • tOUCh TYpinG in thw dArK% -- Pat?Hawk (Dazed), Mon, Aug 11 2008, 17:24:36 PDT (cache-dtc-ag12.proxy.aol.com/205.188.117.140)
    Just got back from Sky Cop page. Talk about losing night vision with a starlight scope, my eyeballs are scalded from a peek into the Heart of Darkness. Got to go out and peer into the night and hope I get any vison baCK. hAWK


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  • Rebel Yell -- Pat Dunne (Awestruck), Mon, Aug 11 2008, 9:27:52 PDT (NoHost/208.62.255.67)
    Awesome sight to see! Miles long convoy of P/U trucks, GTOs, and Z-28s with Rebel flags whipping, heading north on I-95 from Homestead and beyond. As Rednecks respond to news of Georgia being invaded by the Union again. Never mind that it is the Soviet Union. Hawk


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  • Star-Lite Scopes -- Bob Hubbard, Mon, Aug 11 2008, 8:33:15 PDT (nc-71-55-65-178.dyn.embarqhsd.net/71.55.65.178)
    How many of you that pulled tower duty have star-lite scopes? If you did, were they on a moount that stayed there or did you have to portable ones that you took to your assigned post for the night?


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  • Military Trivia -- Gary Jones, LM-363, Mon, Aug 11 2008, 7:38:24 PDT (cpe-098-025-046-219.sc.res.rr.com/98.25.46.219)
    I know that many of you are military history buffs, so you might enjoy this little discussion and quiz about Medal of Honor recipients. Many people think Audie Murphy was the most highly decorated soldier in WWII...was he? The answer might surprise you. At the bottom of page are links to other quizzes of interest. Go to:
    http://www.homeofheroes.com/quickquiz/050801_mostdecorated.html


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  • post check -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Sun, Aug 10 2008, 23:24:24 PDT (ip68-14-6-65.ri.ri.cox.net/68.14.6.65)
    Anybody else out there tonight? Going back to rack and watch some more Olympics and hope to doze off.


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  • Looking for a friend -- Douglas Davis, Sun, Aug 10 2008, 17:16:42 PDT (71-90-110-254.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com/71.90.110.254)
    I'm looking for Ed Monaghan from Detroit, Mi that was stationed at Pleiku in 1968-1969. He was an SP in the 633rd. I was a dogman at Phu Cat and the last contact we had was by landline in country. Any information about Ed would be appreciated.
    Thanks,
    Doug


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  • Souvenir Shield -- Junious (Bud) Owens, Sun, Aug 10 2008, 17:06:34 PDT (c-24-218-214-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net/24.218.214.64)
    Message to New Members: Congratulation and Welcome to the Brotherhood of the VSPA. I just wanted to bring to your attention the Sorvenir Shield on the Home Page. If no one has mentioned this let me be the first. It was designed and produced just for our Organization and can only be purchased by members. I would highly recommend you check out the shield and consider purchasing one. They are very nice and realy a treasur to own. Everyone that has one since they came out a couple years ago really are proud to own one. Part of the profits go to the VSPA so you would also be helping the VSPA. Check it out on the home page and if you have any questions, please ask. I am sure you will have many positive responses. Bud Owens, VSPA Service Officer.


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  • New Member Introduction -- Phil Carroll, Sun, Aug 10 2008, 15:52:46 PDT (71-222-62-96.ptld.qwest.net/71.222.62.96)
    Gents,

    Please join me in welcoming Jack Kelly to membership in the VSPA. Jack was a dog handler at Korat in 1971 - 1972, and currently lives in New York.

    Welcome Home!

    Phil


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  • New Member Introduction -- Phil Carroll - LM #336, Sun, Aug 10 2008, 15:26:07 PDT (71-222-62-96.ptld.qwest.net/71.222.62.96)
    Gents,

    Please join me in welcoming Tom Dierig to membership in the VSPA. Tom was at Tan Son Nhut, Phan Rang and Bien Hoa with Safeside in 1968 - 1969, and then at Tan Son Nhut again in 1970 - 1971. He currently lives in Kentucky.

    Welcome Home!

    Phil


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  • Chapel Services -- Howard Yates, Sun, Aug 10 2008, 4:37:53 PDT (198.56.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com/97.100.56.198)
    Anybody going to chapel services this morning?


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  • Jack, the ole cowboy -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Sat, Aug 09 2008, 22:49:41 PDT (ip68-14-6-65.ri.ri.cox.net/68.14.6.65)
    Anyone seen Jack? It's 1:45 and he hasn't brought coffe or C-rats yet. Hope relief comes soon my eyelids are getting heavy. Maybe the chaplain will stop by to chat. Oh well, guess I'll turn in.


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  • Hepatitus Check Up: -- Junious (Bud) Owens, Sat, Aug 09 2008, 9:51:01 PDT (c-24-218-214-64.hsd1.nh.comcast.net/24.218.214.64)
    OK, guys here is the latest. If you entered the service in the late 50's and early 60's, they were using the Air gun to give shots. It has been determined that the is a strain of hepatitus that is not found in a normal test. You must request a "Load Test" (may be the wrong term) but it is a special test. There are veterans with this hepatitus from this period that they have determined it was from the air gun used. They were not sterilized properly between shots, thus the problem. So, request the special test if you received shots with the air gun. Bud Owens, VSPA Service Officer.


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  • NH Gurad off to War: -- Junious (Bud) Owens, Sat, Aug 09 2008, 7:34:44 PDT (c-24-218-214-64.hsd1.ma.comcast.net/24.218.214.64)
    Well, Bette and I just returned from the Air Guard at Pease in New Hampshire where 22 of the Security Forces members are deploying to Afganastain for 6 months. Some are going for the 1st time, some have been before. We had a great bunch of the Pease Greeters there to see them off. Bud Owens, VSPA Service Officer.


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  • Fishing Today Off The Jersey Coast -- Chaplain Steve, Fri, Aug 08 2008, 21:23:54 PDT (c-68-46-131-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net/68.46.131.32)
    I went fishing this morning with two friends off the Jersey Coast. Caught a few fluke but had to toss them back. It was a nice morning, not hot or windy but very pleasant.Check out a few pics and video..

    http://www.onetruemedia.com/otm_site/auth_preview?work_id=6967665&autoplay


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  • Wanting to Vent -- Stan Morris, TSN-LE 67-68, LM-254, Las Vegas, NV, Fri, Aug 08 2008, 19:47:39 PDT (ip72-193-12-166.lv.lv.cox.net/72.193.12.166)
    Is anyone but me annoyed that the major news article today is that former Senator John Edwards has confessed to being an unfaithful husband.


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  • Howard Yates Bien Hoa story. -- Bob Mitchell LM301, Fri, Aug 08 2008, 12:50:44 PDT (ip68-14-6-65.ri.ri.cox.net/68.14.6.65)
    Be sure to read Howard's story on main webpage.


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  • Vista -- Jack Smith 377thSPS 68-69 LM 453, Fri, Aug 08 2008, 5:00:15 PDT (adsl-68-75-26-55.dsl.wotnoh.ameritech.net/68.75.26.55)
    Guys: I am looking at a new Dell computer. All they offer is the Vista system. Are any of you using Vista and if so are all the horror stories true abou it be a poor system. I am using a 6 year old Dell with windows XP that I like but its time to move up. Any help you can give comes with my thanks. Jack.


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  • All Secure -- Dave Maltzan, Thu, Aug 07 2008, 22:48:36 PDT (68-188-255-250.static.bycy.mi.charter.com/68.188.255.250)
    Good morning brothers - just got on my post at St. Mary's Hosp. in Saginaw,MI. Just want you to know that the perimeter is secure.

    Sitting with one of the men from my congregation so the family can get some rest. We've been expecting him to go "Home" for that last week. It's amazing what the human body endures. Actually they expected him to pass on four months ago, he ended up going back to his apartment, changed his life around (surrendered it to our LORD) went shopping, went hoarseback riding, reestablished his relationship with all his family. Now he is ready to go.

    This will give me time to catch up on what's been happening with my VSPA brothers. Hope you rest well. God bless.

    Dave CRB 68-69


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  • Brett the Jet Farr is coming to NY,NJ -- Chaplain Steve, Thu, Aug 07 2008, 20:20:27 PDT (cache-mtc-ag12.proxy.aol.com/64.12.117.140)
    Goodbye Chad Pennington. I guess you get released or traded.
    Will the Jets be better off???


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  • RE: A1C Joel C. Loftis -- Bob Crawford, Thu, Aug 07 2008, 19:38:06 PDT (cpe-75-82-190-17.socal.res.rr.com/75.82.190.17)
    From: RVCrawford@gimail.af.mil [mailto:RVCrawford@gimail.af.mil]
    Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 6:11 PM
    To: DonPoss-LM37@vspa.com
    Subject: A1C Joel C. Loftis

    Hi,
    I'm Bob Crawford, Staff Curator at the AETC History Office st Randolph AFB, Texas. We have some info on A1C Joel C. Loftis, but i came across your site and am interested in the info you have posted. I'm gatherin a file and wondered if i could have permission to include your info.

    V/R,

    Bob Crawford,
    Staff Curator at the AETC History Office st Randolph AFB, Texas


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  • Take-home message - GET COUNSELING! -- Phil Carroll - LM #336, Thu, Aug 07 2008, 6:54:29 PDT (dd.fws.gov/164.159.60.2)
    PTSD tied to early death from heart disease

    Effects same as smoking 2 packs of cigarettes a day for 20 year, study says
    Reuters News Service
    Wed., Aug. 6, 2008

    NEW YORK - Posttraumatic stress disorder significantly raises the risk of premature death from heart disease, according to results of a long-term study of Vietnam veterans.

    In the study, veterans who experienced PTSD were roughly twice as likely to die from heart disease during follow up as veterans without PTSD.

    Until now, the evidence linking PTSD with cardiovascular disease was inconclusive, "but this study confirms that PTSD is a major cause of heart disease," Dr. Joseph Boscarino told Reuters Health. He equates PTSD to smoking two to three packs of cigarettes per day for more than 20 years.

    Boscarino from the Center for Health Research, Geisinger Clinic, Danville, Pennsylvania, followed more than 4,300 male Vietnam veterans who did not have heart disease in 1985. The men were younger than age 65 at follow up at the end of 2000.

    After controlling for key factors that might influence the results, Boscarino found that having PTSD was associated with a greater than twofold increased risk of death from heart disease in these soldiers.

    "Men in the study, on average, were in their mid 50s. Yet they were developing heart disease from PTSD and dying too early," Boscarino noted.

    PTSD causes the body to release stress hormones, which leads to inflammation and damage to the arteries and cardiovascular system. Stress hormones also tend to reduce the amount of cortisol in the body, a hormone that fights inflammation.

    "The science is conclusively showing that if you suffer psychological trauma, it's going to take a toll on your physical health," Boscarino said. "Getting counseling today is critical to avoiding a related problem tomorrow."

    Boscarino also thinks doctors should be aware of PTSD as a risk factor for heart disease, "just like they are for smoking, cholesterol, etc."


    Copyright 2008 Reuters.
    URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26060486/


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