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Vietnam Security Police Association, Inc. (USAF)
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The Vietnam Security Police Association, Inc. (USAF) is an association for USAF Vietnam War Veterans
who served in Vietnam or Thailand from 1960-1975 as Security / Air Police, or as an augmentee.
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Vietnam Security Police Association, Inc. (USAF)

  • Luke AFB thunderbolt News coverage of VSPA visit -- Hector Ramos, VP-VSPA, Fri, Oct 23 2009, 18:22:28 PDT (c-68-39-53-181.hsd1.nj.comcast.net/68.39.53.181)
    For a downloadable PDF copy of the newspaper go to www.aerotechnews.com/lukeafb/
    and check on the 10/16/09 edition.

    Comments (I'm sure they'd like to hear from you)can be made to the editors by emailing luke.thunderbolt@luke.af.mil

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  • Luke AFB/Reunion -- Jim Costello, Thu, Oct 22 2009, 17:11:30 PDT (cache-ntc-ac10.proxy.aol.com/207.200.116.139)
    With memories of the reunion still fresh in my mind, I searched the site of Luke AFB, and found a very nice article written about our visit with the troops. I know it was a special day for all of us. Their dedication to God, Country, Duty is an inspiration this old vet will not soon forget. What we left behind so long ago, is indeed in excellent hands today.

    Having the opportunity to visit with the troops the past two years, and being a member of the VSPA almost as long, has reinstilled in me the Air Force pride I once had in more years than I care to remember. My heartfelt thanks to all of you, and to the BRAVE men and women of todays Air Force. May God Bless them, protct them, and bring them home safe to us.

    Just copy and past the link below. Enjoy!


    http://www.luke.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123173200

    Jim Costello LM#552

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  • plaque -- Rich Nucifora LM 220 (honored), Thu, Oct 22 2009, 14:13:04 PDT (76-250-236-46.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net/76.250.236.46)
    Today in the mail,I received a plaque from MY BROTHERS in VSPA, for my part in helping maintain THE WALL. Thank you all so much for the honor. I accept it, not only for myself, but on behalf of my brother and niece. They came because they felt it was a way to thank us all, especially the 111 of our brothers that didn't come home.
    If you ever have a chance to make it to THE WALL and help clean it once, you'll want to go back. It's a great healing process.
    Thank you again.

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  • Malaria Pills -- Steve Hall, Thu, Oct 22 2009, 9:22:20 PDT (adsl-68-120-85-228.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net/68.120.85.228)
    I posted this on the FFZ BB, but didn't get any response.
    Maybe it wasn't getting seen there, so I'll post it here, too.

    Prior to the reunion, I was trading e-mails with a certain person who is known for wearing Hawaiian shirts at the reunion. We were "discussing" our experiences involving malaria pills...The discussion got pretty funny in an unusual way, so I am presenting a new topic that I am sure will be enlightening and maybe even terrifying.

    The topic: What is the worst experience or memory you have involving malaria pills? You can cite your own worst experience or an experience that happened to another person. Asking you to "keep it clean" doesn't seem to make much sense with this topic, but you get the idea.

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  • Viet Nam Stats -- Carl L Chamberlin LM#504 Phu Cat 67/68, Tue, Oct 20 2009, 6:15:56 PDT (cache-dtc-aa12.proxy.aol.com/205.188.116.16)
    Received this last night from a fellow Nam Vet,,,,,,,
    Thought this might interest you. I was surprised by some of the data. Share this with your Vietnam Veteran friends. They might be interested in knowing this interesting information.
    In case you haven't been paying attention these past few decades after you returned from Vietnam, the clock has been ticking. The following are some statistics that are at once depressing yet in a larger sense should give you a huge sense of pride.

    "Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam, Less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's age approximated to be 54 years old." How does it feel to be among the last third of all the Vietnam Veterans who served in Vietnam to be alive? I don't know about you guys, but it kind of gives me the chills.

    Considering the kind of information available about the death rate of WWII and Korean War Veterans, publicized information indicates that in the last 14 years Vietnam veterans are dying at the rate of 390 deaths each day. At this rate there will be only a few of us alive in 2015.

    These statistics were taken from a variety of sources to include: The VFW Magazine, the Public Information Office, and the HQ CP Forward Observer - 1st Recon April 12, 1997.

    STATISTICS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY

    VIETNAM VETERANS


    1. 9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (Aug 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).
    2 8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug 5, 1964 - March 28, 1973).
    3. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam, this number represents 9.7% of their generation.
    4. 3,403,100 (Including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the broader Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters).
    5. 2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (Jan. 1, 1965 - March 28, 1973). Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.
    6. Of the 2.6 million, between 1-1.6 million (40-60%) either fought in combat, provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed to enemy attack.
    7. 7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam.
    8. Peak troop strength in Vietnam: 543,482 (April 30, 1968).

    CASUALTIES

    1. The first man to die in Vietnam was James Davis, in 1958. He was with the 509th Radio Research Station. Davis Station in Saigon was named for him.
    2. Non-hostile deaths: 10,800
    3. Total: 58,202 (Includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties). Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total.
    4. 8 nurses died -- 1 was KIA.
    5. 61% of the men killed were 21 or younger.
    6. 11,465 of those killed were younger than 20 years old.
    7. Of those killed, 17,539 were married.
    8. Average age of men killed: 23.1 years
    9. Enlisted: 50,274 - 22.37 years
    10. Officers: 6,598 - 28.43 years
    11. Warrants: 1,276 - 24.73 years
    12. E1: 525 - 20.34 years
    13. 11B MOS: 18,465 - 22.55 years
    14. Five men killed in Vietnam were only 16 years old.
    15. The oldest man killed was 62 years old.
    16. 2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam, 58,202 were KIA for a percentage of .0214%.
    17. 303,704 were wounded: 303,704. 153,329 were hospitalized.
    18. 150,375 were injured requiring no hospital care.
    19. 75,000 were severely disabled. 23,214 were 100% disabled. 5,283 lost limbs. 1,081 sustained multiple amputations.
    20. Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than Korea.
    21. Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII.
    22. Missing in Action: 2,338
    23. POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity)
    24. As of January 15, 2004, there are 1,875 Americans still unaccounted for from the Vietnam War.

    DRAFTEES VS VOLUNTEERS

    1. 25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees.
    2. 66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII).
    3. Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.
    4. Reservists killed: 5,977
    5. National Guard: 6,140 served: 101 died.
    6. Total draftees (1965 - 73): 1,728,344.
    7. Actually served in Vietnam: 38%
    8. Marine Corps Draft: 42,633.
    9. Last man drafted: June 30, 1973.

    RACE AND ETHNIC BACKGROUND

    1. 88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian; 10.6% (275,000) were black; 1% belonged to other races.
    2. 86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics); 12.5% (7,241) were black; 1.2% belonged to other races.
    3. 170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam; 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there.
    4.70% of enlisted men killed were of North-west European descent.
    5. 86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) were black; 1.1% belonged to other races.
    6. 14.6% (1,530) of non-combat deaths were among blacks.
    7. 34% of blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms.
    8. Overall, blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.
    9. Religion of Dead: Protestant -- 64.4%; Catholic -- 28.9%; other/none -- 6.7%

    SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS

    1. Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups.
    2. Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.
    3. 76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds.
    4. Three-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds.
    5. Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations.
    6. 79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service. 63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.
    7. Deaths by region per 100,000 of population: South -- 31%, West --29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%.

    DRUG USAGE & CRIME

    1. There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and
    non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group. (Source: Veterans
    Administration Study)
    2. Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only one-half of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.
    3. 85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life.

    WINNING & LOSING

    1. 82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost because of lack of political will.
    2. Nearly 75% of the public agrees it was a failure of political will, not of arms.

    HONORABLE SERVICE

    1. 97% of Vietnam-era veterans were honorably discharged.
    2. 91% of actual Vietnam War veterans and 90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country.
    3. 74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome.
    4. 87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem.

    INTERESTING CENSUS STATISTICS & THOSE TO CLAIM TO HAVE "BEEN THERE."

    1. 1,713,823 of those who served in Vietnam were still alive as of August, 1995 (census figures).
    2. During that same census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country was: 9,492,958.
    3. As of the current census taken during August, 2000, the surviving U.S. Vietnam Veteran population estimate is: 1,002,511. This is hard to believe, losing nearly 711,000 between '95 and '00. That's 390 per day.
    4. During this census count, the number of Americans falsely claiming to have served in-country is: 13,853,027. By this census, FOUR OUT OF FIVE WHO CLAIM TO BE VIETNAM VETS ARE NOT.
    5. The Department of Defense Vietnam War Service Index officially provided by The War Library originally reported with errors that 2,709,918 U.S. military personnel as having served in-country.
    6. Corrections and confirmations to this erred index resulted in the addition of 358 U.S. military personnel confirmed to have served in Vietnam but not originally listed by the Department of Defense. (All names are currently on file and accessible 24/7/365).
    7. Isolated atrocities committed by American Soldiers produced torrents of outrage from anti-war critics and the news media while Communist atrocities were so common that they received hardly any media mention at all.
    8. The United States sought to minimize and prevent attacks on civilians while North Vietnam made attacks on civilians a centerpiece of its strategy.
    9. Americans who deliberately killed civilians received prison sentences while Communists who did so received commendations.
    10. From 1957 to 1973, the National Liberation Front assassinated 36,725 Vietnamese and abducted another 58,499. The death squads focused on leaders at the village level and on anyone who improved the lives of the peasants such as medical personnel, social workers, and school teachers. - Nixon Presidential Papers.

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  • Flu in Arizona -- Newell M. swartz, Mon, Oct 19 2009, 10:22:41 PDT (71-36-186-129.phnx.qwest.net/71.36.186.129)
    I have read a few messages from folks who are concerned with flu exposure in Arizona, especially the one about the SSgt from the 56th who died from the flu. The man was assigned to the 56th Wing, not the 56th SFS and he had other complications which resulted in his death. I think everyone should follow their doctor's instructions as to whether they receive a flue shot or not. I intend to get one. Most of the flu cases in Arizona are rather mild and last about three-four days, which is why we see people who work in the service industries still working while they are sneezing, runny nose etc while waiting on customers. Newell

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  • FREE Adobe Products Updates -- Don Poss, Wed, Oct 21 2009, 17:51:55 PDT (cpe-75-82-158-38.socal.res.rr.com/75.82.158.38)
    Gents & Ladies:

    Once more it is time to take advantage of VSPA's Troubleshooting Pages
    and download the several recent FREE Adobe Products Updates
    <http://www.vspa.com/aspprotect/vspa-troubleshooting.asp> . I recommend
    that all IExplorer users do so asap as VSPA's website uses the current
    versions of these products.

    Note: Make sure to check or uncheck optional boxes that may install a
    Google Toolbar or offer to check your system for errors (I uncheck those
    boxes).

    Questions?: Feel free to email VSPA's guru and ace QRTroubleshooter (and
    general missile-target), Gary Jones <mailto:garyandjj@hotmail.com> .

    Don Poss,
    VSPA Webmaster

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  • New Member Introduction -- Phil Carroll - LM #336, Tue, Oct 20 2009, 18:13:44 PDT (97-120-111-171.ptld.qwest.net/97.120.111.171)
    Ladies and Gents,

    Please join me in welcoming Mark Johnson to membership in the VSPA. Mark served as a dog handler at Nakhon Phanom in 1972-73, and currently lives in Pennsylvania. He found out about us through another SP.

    Yes I will be telling him all about the reunion he just missed, and sending him a bunch of pictures!

    Welcome Home!

    Phil

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  • Mission...COMPLETED.."Waving Nurse" -- William R Paddock 56th SPS (1968) VSPA LM205, Thu, Oct 15 2009, 14:37:32 PDT (adsl-074-245-198-228.sip.cae.bellsouth.net/74.245.198.228)
    I met with Lt. Col Ruth SIDISON. this afternoon at Convenant Place nursing home. Sumter, South Carolina. Also there was Dee Rector, her friend and fellow nurse at TSN.
    I handed her each gift from all the members of the VSPA one at a time and she would exclaim and "cry" with each one.
    She has had a stroke and is fixing to go for more treatment at either Duke University or somewhere.
    She asked me to thank all of you for the gifts and she send her unqualified love to each and everyone of you.
    Dee Rector also sends her love, thanks and appreciation for thinking of her...mostly remembering her!!.
    I have taken about twenty pictures of this event so if you would like some let me know and I will email them to you.

    Best Always

    William R (Bill) Paddock
    VSPA LM #205
    VDHA Assoc Member # 16019
    56th Security Police Sq. Nakhon Phanom RTAFB (1968)

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  • Another Way to Support Our Troops -- Janet Matthews-Wise, Mon, Oct 19 2009, 16:57:29 PDT (24-196-19-136.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com/24.196.19.136)
    While surfing for hand warmers today, I came across the link below.

    Sounds like a plan to me! So, for all you tailgaters, hunters, skiiers, joggers etc. who use these disposable handwarmers, take a look.

    http://www.warmers.com/ShareWarmth.aspx

    P.S. these are great for pet beds too!

    Hugs!

    Janet

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