VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

[ Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, [9], 10 ]

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Date Posted: 13:22:23 02/14/00 Mon
Author: detoured
Subject: Ream!Ream Ream! LOL! hairytoes and kande and anyone else who wasn't wild about this ep...
In reply to: hairytoes 's message, "Believe to Understand" on 08:53:43 02/14/00 Mon


I guess you wtote you post before reading the others because as you may know now, some of us loved it. You know it's really hard to explain sometimes why each episode can affect everyon so differently. (I'll never understand how anyone can like Kitsungari!). But I will try to explain.

You made some very valid points and I can certainly undrstand you views and finding some fault with this one.
But there were a couple things you say I think are unfair but I'll rant on those at the end!

I'd like to point out that I am not a fan of nitpicking.( And I'm not saying you were doing that, I'm just point it ou). I know others will find fault with an ep and that will be the basis for their dislike and that's certainly fair for them to feel that way. It's just not how I view an episode. For me, I look at it as an artistic piece and accept it as a whole. My enjoyment of it is almost souly based on how it affects me and this one soo moved me. I cried! (See posts below!). That's all I really expect from a dramatic program. But going further, I thought this was a beautifully told story in all respects and my only demands were paid in full by CC and Co. Any minor grievances don't deminish that for me. But surprisingly I found litle wrong with this. In fact it was one of the most tightly put together eps I've seen in quite awhile. So I'll address what others didn't like instead.

The diary. Sure it can be considered convenient. It's a plot device used to tell the story. But things do get left behind in old houses. That's partly how we are able to learn about history. Things are discovered. During the OJ Simspon trial people were complaining that the appearance of the bloody glove was convenient too which lead to the argument that it was planted. But it was pointed out that criminals leave things behind all the time and make mistakes. Otherwise they would never get caught! Why is the diary so far fetched? Sam lived in that house. That appeared to be a bureau where she probaby had her clothes and so why wouldn't her diary be in there? Girls generally do hide diaries. And sure Sam in particular would hide it. Not for Mulder to find necessariy but from her captors. From the entries Mulder read we can see she was a smart cookie. She knew what was going on and she said how much she hated the people keeping her. She knew it was wrong and this wasn't how her life was supposed to be. She wanted that documented and having a hidden diary makes perfect sense to me.
And can you explain why you ( I think it ws ht) didn't like the diary scene n the diner? I'm flabberghasted that anyone wouldn't find that an awesome moment but to each his own I guess.

I liked the meeting between Scully and CSM. You'll have to elaborate on why you didn't so I can reply. You didn't really say but jut assumed we all thought it was bad.
Also what was stupid about the nurse's identifying the CSM? We know he does indeed go around smoking whenever and wherever he likes (remember the hospital scene with Gibson?). And a nurse would surely tell him to put out his cigarette. So again you'll have to explain why you thought this was stupid. This nurse was recalling something that happened quite some time ago. I can see how the CSM would have made a lasting impression on her and she is just relaying that.

Ok *you* didn't believe Harold for a second but you're in good company because Scully had a lot of
issues with him too. :-) But this wasn't our place to believe, it was Mulder's This story was about and for him. And we know he's a believer. Harold knew a lot about things that would have been difficult for him to find out so he was credible.

The Jeffrey and Samanatha names in the cement. This too can seem farfetched on the surface but it also would be an incredibe coincidence if it wasn't who we think it is! Harold led Mulder to this house. Mulder believes in psychic ability, he's said so before. Less believeable would be if Mulder had seen the names and said, "I bet that's some other Samantha and Jeffrey and not who I'm thinking it is!" I had no problems with them finding it. Harold led Mulder to where he knew Sam had been and there was evidence of it. If you vist an old house you will often find signs of who lived there before. And kids writing their names in cement is very common.

The thing is, Mulder accepted this as truth. This is his belief. And from past history we know we should believe Mulder. He's almost never wrong. :-) There is no reason not to believe here. This is a paranormal program, not a Ken Burns doumentary. We have to have faith in the story being told just as Mulder has faith in what he believes. He saw the children's spirits. He saw Harold's son leading him to them. He has no reason to doubt what he saw and neither do we. We have never been given the impression that Mulder is delusional.

OK my rants! I don't think it's fair to say you didn't like an actor because he looked like some guy on the Practice or G. W. Bush! I didn't think so on the GW thing and I don't watch The Practice. But I have seen this actor before so all I saw was him giving what I thought was a very good performance. If you didn't think so ok, but don't fault him and the episode because he looks like Bush! I doubt if he was cast so they could say, "Hey he look like Bush and that will be fun because it will piss some people off!" And I loved the Mulder parallel. You can read my posts on that below. Maybe you can expand on why you didn't. I thought it was a very fitting. Mulder was released from his pain but he, and we too, knows others often aren't.

Skinner not bring in it. Is it just because he wasn't there? If so that's not a fair criticism either IMO. He can't be in every ep and there have been many good ones without him. if you feel there was a specific reason he should have been there then tht's ok. Frankly I don't know what more he would have contributed. He most likely was working on another aspect of this case with the department. We didn't need to see Skinner. All he could have done was echo Scully's concerns and tell Mulder not to be gullible about Harold. But why waste screen time on Skinner's opinion that we already know? It would be a superfluous scene. Unless you can think of some special reason we needed him there?

Hungry? Hungry!? OK, hairytoes I can repect your opinions but when you bring up Hungry your credibility is in jeopardy! You seriously liked that more? Again it goes back to me being moved and entertained and I certainly am not by hearing some kid describe his food obsession at a Overeater's Annonymous meeeting. Not enjoyable.

det :-)

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:

Post a message:
This forum requires an account to post.
[ Create Account ]
[ Login ]
[ Contact Forum Admin ]

Forum timezone: GMT-8
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.