Brian Jones: Like A Rollin' Stone Welcome to the Brian Jones Moderated Message board. This board was created by Gerry Seda and will continue on in her memory.If you'd like to visit the LARS chatroom, please go to the website: http://pub46.bravenet.com/chat/show.php/3902716264 . If you need to contact the board moderators email Brianjoneslars@aol.com . Enjoy your Brian board! Like a Rollin' Stone Web Site
My first g...g...g...you know, my first child's first child and this is the first. -- Sister Mary Stigmata, 23:13:34 04/21/14 Mon(108-83-221-240.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net/188.8.131.52)
I know I haven't been here in a while, but I have communicated with a few of you and some of you will be interested in the first great grandchild of the guy who has his picture at the top of this page.
I will leave the album public for about a week, then lock it. As far as showing my face, pttttttt. Who cares any more. Everyone has seen it anyway. What's the difference. The older I get, the less I give a jig.
Don't call me Granny. I will need to smack you silly.
Mick Jaggers Ex Girfriend committed suicide -- Bernie (sorry for her), 10:49:09 03/19/14 Wed(cpe-74-71-154-228.nyc.res.rr.com/184.108.40.206)
Yesterday Morning I heard on the radio That Mick Jaggers most recent ex-girlriend committed suicide. they apprently broke up and her Corporation failed. This reminds me of how Marianne Faithfull attempted suicide many years ago but survived. I feel very sorry for her. Yet another victim of the Radical chic man of wealth and taste , Lucifer..Just when I try to like him again I hear of this if you listen to him enough you will go mad as he said in Perfomance...God reat her soul, Love and Peace. Jajouka, b-
I miss all the Brian Jones Fanclubs and fans -- Bernard Mc Dermott (Regretful), 10:59:56 04/07/14 Mon(cpe-66-65-63-121.nyc.res.rr.com/220.127.116.11)
I dont know exactly what to say, but Ill try. Once there were a number of Brian Jones fan clubs, even before the internet, Roxanne (nee Roseanne) Fontana had one in the 1970's..I joined one connected with this board in 1999..As a matter of fact, the first person I ever looked up on the internet when got a computer was Brian. I also belonged to Trevor's fan club and looked forward to recieving "The Spirit" in the mail..I realize Im eccentric and perhaps not as stable as Id like to be,so If I put anybody off Im really sorry. I just suppose Brians generation of fans is aging and perhaps doesnt care that much any more, but I think its a real shame that so many people have kept Brian living in peoples memories and didnt get anything for all their efforts. I just hope that many years from now, when The Rolling Stones roll on, that Brian will be remembered as well as Keith and Mick,or perhaps this is just wishful thinking,and no one's love for Brian will be in vain love and Peace, Bernard
My time in the 60's with
Brian Jones of the
Rolling Stones and the
heartbreak of forced Adoption
“Not Fade Away" is the fascinating, at times heart wrenching, true life story of a young English girl which encompasses life with The Rolling Stones in Britain's early 60's and the best and worst of that cultural era. This is a gripping ‘must read' for fans of The Rolling Stones and all things British. It takes readers on a journey into the early beginnings of the Stones and also explains how forced adoption was all too common in that era. The author is a survivor who overcame abuse and losses to experience eventual love and joy.
Dawn was one of only a handful of people who would go to watch The Rolling Stones play in the early 1960’s. Now, nearly 50 years down the line, their music can heard playing somewhere in the world every minute of every day.
Dawn Molloy appears from time to time in books and newspaper articles as she was a girlfriend of Brian Jones who was the founder of the greatest rock and roll band in the world. He was the father of her son, Paul Andrew.
Like so many other teenagers in the 60’s, Dawn was made to suffer because of a system that did not allow them a say in the fate of their children. In one way or another, that system and the mind set that went with it, failed them. It ensured that pregnant girls without a wedding band on their finger were stringently and illegally advised to place their children up for adoption.
Dawn experienced rejection from a mother who lacked maternal instinct and her childhood was riddled with fear and doubt, abuse and ridicule. This English lady has met Royalty and had tea with the Queen of England. Dawn experienced the elation of her lost son finding her and the myriad emotions that came along with that and endured heart wrenching grief with the death of one of her children. She relocated from England to the USA with her husband and has had the joy and satisfaction of raising 4 children and seeing them grown and independent.
I have something of mine Id like to share with you -- Bernie (Grateful this is still here), 13:11:20 02/26/14 Wed(cpe-74-71-145-19.nyc.res.rr.com/18.104.22.168)
Ive been very sick for the past few weeks but feel much better, I dont want to impose, but I just would like to give you a link to 3 MP3's of mine so you can see and hear how Brian and The Rolling Stones Influenced me. They say more than any further comments I can make These songs I tried to make as close to What I thought The Rolling Stones might do as I possibly could,and the musicians, 2 of whom were female, did a rockin' good job. this is the link: www.reverbnation.com/bernardjamesmcdermott Love peace and best wishes for a nice spring and summer. Jajouka, Bernie
Trevor Hobley and Linda Lawrence, The Dream Team -- Lazlo (What investigation?), 15:21:19 02/03/14 Mon(adsl-76-248-145-94.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net/22.214.171.124)
Well, well, well. It seems that the reclusive (except to his most loyal followers and donors) Trevor Hobley has popped his head up in a new book by author Howard Sounes titled: 27: A History of the 27 Club through the Lives of Brian Jones, Jimi Hendrix ...
Here is the link that brings you to the pages mentioning everyone's favorite fan club "spokesman"
According to this book, it would seem that Linda Lawrence is now a member of his team. I wonder if Trevor, Linda, and Pat Andrews get together to mull over the dossier into the wee hours of the morning?
One thing I've noticed over the last 4+ years is, the word "investigation" is now taboo in in the fan club circle. The new operative word is "research", as if there never was an investigation at all. He wasn't investigating, he was researching. As a matter of fact, on the fan club web page, the 'Investigation' button where you could click on and be taken to a link with news and updates from what was then called, the "investigation" has been disabled for the last couple years.
I have more opinions on this whole "research" crap, but I'll put the coal rake down for now.
Anna Wohlin article from July 2013 -- Lazlo, 18:48:00 11/11/13 Mon(adsl-76-248-147-80.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net/126.96.36.199)
Hard to believe she is still peddling this shit, but not surprising. Nothing's changed. The phony "Frank deathbed confession" concocted by Tom Keylock is even cited in this article as confirmation to Anna's version of events on July 2, 1969. No one believes this horseshit.
Hey Anna Wohlin, unless you are going to tell us what really happened that night, just go away and STFU.
From this past summer:
Rolling Stones Brian Jones' lover Anna Wohlin claims he was killed in scuffle with minder
6 Jul 2013 00:01
Two days before the 1969 gig she’d dragged his lifeless body from the swimming pool of Sussex farmhouse and tried in vain to revive him.
Anna Wohlin should have had a VIP pass the last time The Rolling Stones played London’s Hyde Park.
The pretty young Swedish dancer was meant to be backstage in 1969 watching the band introduce their new guitarist – the replacement for founder member Brian Jones who’d been sacked a month before.
Anna never made it to that iconic gig, but unlike thousands of veteran fans she has no desire to be in the park tonight as the legendary rockers return, 44 years later.
For Anna was Brian Jones’ lover…and two days before the gig she’d dragged his lifeless body from the swimming pool of his Sussex farmhouse and tried in vain to revive him.
Yet, before the tragedy on July 3, 1969, she and Brian had planned to go to the Hyde Park concert together – so he could publicly show he had no hard feelings about leaving the Rolling Stones.
“Instead of being backstage with Brian I was in a hotel room nearby,” reveals Anna, now 66.
“I was broken…in total shock. Fans were gathering with candles and I wanted to go and say goodbye to Brian.
“But I was in no fit state. I didn’t realise then but I was a nuisance – a problem to the Stones management. They knew I knew what really happened on the night Brian died.”
The events following Brian’s death have gone down in the annals of pop history, with Anna’s role reduced to a mere footnote.
Rock legend has it Brian, 27, drowned under the influence of drugs and booze, after going off the rails when the Stones fired him.
Conspiracy theorists insist he was murdered – and police reviewed the case as recently as 2010 but did not reopen inquiries.
But in an exclusive interview with the Mirror, Anna has rekindled the riddle of the death and Brian’s rift with the band.
She sensationally claims the musician WAS killed, in a scuffle with disgruntled minder Frank Thorogood, said to have been fired by Jones that day – but the truth was covered up to protect the band’s image.
Her account is supported by Thorogood’s alleged death bed confession 20 years ago.
Anna says: “Brian is still portrayed as a bitter, worn-out and depressed man who was fired because of his drug habit…and who died because he was drunk or high.
“But my Brian was a wonderful, charismatic man who was happier than ever, had given up drugs and was looking forward to pursuing the musical career he wanted.
“We’d been blissfully happy together for three months and he and I had planned to go to watch the Hyde Park gig.
“Brian wasn’t bitter about Mick Taylor replacing him – he was quite relieved actually. He had wanted to leave the band for some time before they asked him to go.
“He didn’t like the direction the music was taking – he wanted to play blues – and he didn’t want to tour America any more.
“There were no hard feelings when he left though, and if people had seen us at the concert they would have known that.But it wasn’t to be. The night before I stayed at the Londonderry Hotel with Bill Wyman and ?his girlfriend Astrid Lundstrom.
“They thought it was a bad idea for me to go – I couldn’t think straight. I was in shock. Some friends stayed with me but I was torn – I wanted to be there…but with Brian – and he was gone.”
The gig became an iconic pop moment after the Stones turned it into a tribute to Brian.
Jagger, in his famous white dress, read poetry by Shelley before roadies released 2,500 white butterflies.
So was that a comfort to Anna?
She gives a long sigh. “Let’s say I have very mixed feelings. They had to do something, because Brian had died, and, yes, I think they were all in shock.
“But whether they had wanted to do it or not, I don’t know. They just had to.
“Before Brian died, Mick was nervous that Brian’s fans might boycott the concert in protest at his replacement.
“In the end, 500,000 people went. But it was a nice day, the concert was free and the fans went for Brian. So there had to be recognition from the band.”
After Brian died Anna wrote to Mick Jagger, accusing him of not caring enough about Brian’s death. He never replied.
She says she no longer bears any animosity towards him, but admits “It just felt so unfair he was alive and thriving…a reminder he and the other Stones were continuing as if nothing had happened – while Brian was gone forever.”
She says the Stones’ management urged her to return to Sweden a week after Brian’s death.
She left following the inquest which recorded a verdict of misadventure – even though tests found little evidence of drugs and the equivalent of just three and a half pints of beer.
Anna, who now runs a boutique in her home city Stockholm, explains: “I was intimidated into silence about what really happened – under sedation, in shock.”
After returning home she discovered she was expecting Brian’s child – but miscarried and became depressed.
She returned to England two months later to collect her belongings from the farm – only to find it had been cleared out and all her personal belongings and gifts from Brian had disappeared.
She says: “The Stones PR manager had promised to find me somewhere to live if I came back – but when I went to their offices no one would help.
"I felt betrayed so I went to a lawyer and to a journalist and tried to tell the truth about Brian’s death – but no one wanted to know.”
Anna got married, had a daughter and tried to move on. But she says it was only after divorcing three decades later that she finally began to grieve for Brian.
She says: “I decided to write my story, but people still didn’t believe it.
"I don’t know if Frank meant to kill Brian – maybe it was horseplay in the pool that went wrong. But I knew all along he did not die a natural death. I’m still sure of it.
“Now the Stones are back in Hyde Park and everyone is talking about 1969 and that free gig.
Anna pauses, then adds: “Imagine – a free Rolling Stones concert! I wonder what the tickets cost today?”
I tell her they start at £95 but some cost more than £300.
She sighs again.
“Everyone thinks I must be a Stones fan, but I’m not. I’ve never seen them in concert and haven’t paid them much attention over the years – I really don’t care.
“I fell in love with Brian when I was 16 and we got together five years later. He happened to play in that band – that’s all.
“Don’t get me wrong – I like the music and think it is amazing they have kept going so long. But Brian would have carried on making music too…I’m sure. He was the one who was most musical.”
Anna used to have terrible nightmares about finding Brian’s body at the bottom of the pool and screaming for help.
Now, she says, Brian “visits” her in her dreams, and she tries to remember the good times they shared. She says: “We were so happy. When Brian bought the farmhouse he said he wanted to live there the rest of his life. And he did. But it was too short.
“I didn’t visit his grave for a long time – but I’ve been twice now. It’s a beautiful stone with lovely flowers still brought by fans.
“One of the hardest things was that when Brian died he was my boyfriend – but suddenly he belonged to another world and other people – and I couldn’t really cope with that.
“Talking about him helps me reclaim him. My Brian, not the tragic legend.”
As fans gather tonight to watch the Rolling Stones they will remember Brian for his brilliant musicianship – and his former band mates will no doubt recall their tributes of 44 years ago.
“So many years have passed,” said Anna. “I don’t bear the Stones any bad feelings.
"They are icons and great professionals and they will all probably die on stage.
“Brian never got that chance…such a waste of a life. He died too young.”
The Ramrods -- Bernard (Curious), 09:09:42 01/22/14 Wed(cpe-68-174-205-25.si.res.rr.com/188.8.131.52)
I once read that Brian was in a band called The Ramrods before he founded The Rolling Stones..I wonder If this was during his "Elmo Lewis" Period when he played all over Europe..Just some food for thought..Love and Peace, Jajouka, B-
Ive been Hearing Brian on the Radio a lot -- Bernard (Feeling really good), 06:38:21 01/15/14 Wed(cpe-68-174-204-241.si.res.rr.com/184.108.40.206)
I hope you all are recovered from the holidays, I just felt I had to mention this..Theres a classic rock Station in New York, Q104,which plays live music at 5 PM every day, In the past few weeks they have played Brian Live twice..The first being him playing an excellent version of "Jumpin Jack Flash" from the Rock and Roll Circus,and yesterday being an Excellent version of Under My Thumb from the Remastered "Got Live if you want it"where all the Rolling Stones are introduced, including Brian and he plays some very intricate Guitar, (Not Maracas(!))..Im always on the lookout for Brian. Hope you all are well and warm. Love, Peace and Jajouka, B-
"Cosmic Christmas" -- Bernard Mc Dermott (Stone Alone), 15:28:45 12/17/13 Tue(118.sub-70-208-73.myvzw.com/220.127.116.11)
Im sure you all know that "Cosmic Christmas" was a title considered for "Your Satanic Majesties Request" which to this day I consider an unfortunate choice,as well as "Sympathy For The Devil" a stupid piece of garbage that started so many people down the wrong path Musically and otherwise. So Im having my own "Cosmic Christmas" by growing a beard and will spend it with my younger sister. I was reading Old Spice's posts and would like to tell you My father used Old spice as I have for years and still do. I have cried over Brian and the Stones many times in the past, mainly because I cared about them (Not Brian) too much and have considered myself and many musicians I have played with "Stones alone"Its just a physical fact of my life which is at best fantastic and at worst, Schizoid.so In the spirit of Love, Ill wish Keith a happy 70th Birthday and a good tour next year..and do admit He and Mick Influenced me a lot even when I didnt want them to. Ive seen a lot of beautiful Films of Brian Recently and have been very inspired by them..the Beard is sort of a Beatles thing which I also indulge a lot,and Im looking forward to Beatlefest here in New York Next february..Its a yearly ritual which I enjoy very much..I hope a lot of people who havent been present here in a long time, Especially Roxanne Fontana are well and happy and have a great 2014..I guess Ill have my own 14 on fire, 13 was hot enough!! May all your fondest wishes come true in the new Year. Jajouka, B-
Reelin in the years DVD -- WRD, 04:55:13 08/26/13 Mon(c-66-177-205-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net/18.104.22.168)
A friend just sent me an email regarding the Reelin In The Years DVD. I'm posting this on Brian's Board because it shows several great video's of Brian's band. Please note Brian is up front on stage, where he should be as the leader of his band.
Original Rolling Stone Magazine article from 1969 -- Lazlo, 18:49:12 12/12/13 Thu(adsl-76-248-147-114.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net/22.214.171.124)
Stumbled upon this while surfing the web. The original article from the August 9, 1969 issue of Rolling Stone Magazine, for those who've never read it. Lots of glaring factual errors. When you think about it, this article, warts and all, was sort of a precursor as to how Brian's life and death would be reported for what appears to be all eternity.
Happiest Holidays to all My Fellow Stones Alone -- Bernie (Very happy), 07:33:33 11/25/13 Mon(102.sub-70-208-72.myvzw.com/126.96.36.199)
What a year its been! As thanksgiving approaches, I feel really in the spirit of the holidays..Im looking forward to drinking Egg Nog, eating all sorts of nice food and being surrounded by loving company. I wish you all warmth, comfort,and good times! You can play your Brian Jones records as loud as you want..Have a cosmic Christmas! God bless and best wishes to all of you in 2014! Hopefully Ill get to play with others more next year and hear lots of great music! So as usual, I wish you Love, Peace and Understanding. Jajouka, B-
now I look like old Brian Jones again ! I LOVE IT! -- Bernie (Happy and full of hope), 06:35:39 10/22/13 Tue(128.sub-70-208-70.myvzw.com/188.8.131.52)
A year ago I cut off all my hair so it would grow in its natural black and grey..It has grown in so beautifully Its long,and I now resemble some old Black Irish Brian.Ive accumulated a lot of Mod Clothes, Day Glo Red Nikes and have a new MY space site I have 3 songs on it.If you care to listen the address is https://myspace.com/bernard.mcdermott1 I hope this is correct.no matter what Brian did, he's still My brian and i love him. So cheers to all my fellow Stones Alone, Hes yours as well. Jajouka, Bernie
Im very Disappointed -- Bernie, 10:09:41 11/11/13 Mon(144.sub-70-208-75.myvzw.com/184.108.40.206)
Im very disappointed that no one seems to care about Gerry's Masterpiece, This Brian Jones forum she created. Im sick and tired of having to look at Mick and Keith and Ron and Charlie and watch them rake in the cash, none of which I think goes to Brians family...Of course Brian had a tough life, Thats why I love him. Severe Asthma is one of the most frightening, awful diseases, which we both had, and I recall reading that Brian also suffered from Schizophrenia and drug addiction as well,which is even worse. I want to go through here and look at the pictures of him, just to remind myself of his handsomeness and great style in spite of all his problems.a To quote Brian, "Please dont judge me harshly" Hes a beautiful piece of rock and Roll history,and regardless of what anyone says he was a piece of work. I wish Linda, Delilah, Lazlo and anyone else who remains here Lovely Holidays and hope you are all well and and surrounded by loved ones, the same goes for Dawn Molloy and Pat Andrews and all of Brian's "Stones Alone" and all his surviving family. God Bless. Jajouka, Bernie
Brian and Paint It Black -- Brian's sitar on Pait It Black, 10:37:10 08/18/13 Sun(c-66-177-205-190.hsd1.fl.comcast.net/220.127.116.11)
Need the pro's feed back on this one.
I'm in a freindly argument regarding the intro to "Paint It Black." Listening to the isolated rare track I feel that it's Brian playing the intro on his sitar, rather than Keef on guitar. You can clearly hear the sitar once the song begins but the intro is mysterious.
All quiet on the Western Front -- George (Hope everyone is doing well), 14:25:49 07/24/13 Wed(pool-173-53-25-76.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net/18.104.22.168)
It has been a while since I last posted here but just wanted to say hello to everyone. I still check the site every now and then... sorry for being such a stranger!! It seems as if there is no new buzz going on about our Brian.
I search the web and find little things from time to time that makes my blood boil (Mick , Keith or Charlie saying some type of rubbish). I guess there will never be justice for Brian. The bad guys have won and scared everyone off or paid them off or both. I re-read where Brian's case can never be reopened for 75 years (important classified info that will not be released). I didn't know Brian was in the same company as JFK (certain information regarding his assassination also has 75 years before documents can be released)!! So Great Britain's big brother (I thought that type of stuff only happened in the good old USA) is also "protecting" living individuals who know the truth about what happened to Brian. It's a great world we live in... we live in a "free" society but cannot get certain information on a guy who used to play in a rock n roll band? Not to mention the 75 years before these documents will be released!! Just want to know whom is so important that they came up with that classification (in other words who paid off whom)??!!
Chew on that for a little bit folks. Brian would probably be laughing his arse off knowing he was THAT important (his "Death By Misadventure").
I was reading an old post by Old Spice regarding Brian quiting the band and how the Stones have since changed the story... now, wherever you look, that is how the story goes. Oh we fired Brian... lies, lies, lies. That has become the truth? Does anyone care enough to set the story straight?? Nowadays I am not sure. Even this forum has slowed down with little new insight on Brian. If WE do not say something regarding Mick/Keith etc... then who will?
Hope you all take care. Sorry about my soapbox speech!! I love Brian and this forum. It's one of the coolest web sites out there. Just hope we can rekindle the fire again and start getting the truth back out there.
Hows all my Favorite Stones Fans? -- Bernie (Relaxed and satisfied), 08:51:41 08/07/13 Wed(154.sub-70-208-77.myvzw.com/22.214.171.124)
My dearest Stones Alone, As I write this I am listening to Disc one of Grrr! and getting my morning dose of Brian. It was given to me as a present from my English cousin, I thought of you all while I was in England and Scotland..I got to sing "Jailhouse Rock" in Liverpool and "Jumping Jack Flash" and Honky Tonk Women"at my Birthday party My family loved my Mick Impersonation, which is something Ive been known for since I was a teenager..I had a fantastic time in The UK and am very proud of my Mothers wonderful family and to be of Celtic and British descent..When My sister and I finally left,I was sore from laughing and getting hugged and Kissed!! I hope this finds you all well and in good health and spirits. whenever I hear about the Stones I think of this place.I hope you all are enjoying the summer. So i will wish you Jajouka as usual and Peace and Love, Your good friend, Bernard
July 3-I was wondering what anyone had planned -- Bernie (Miss Everyone), 13:50:20 06/24/13 Mon(217.sub-70-192-66.myvzw.com/126.96.36.199)
All that Rock and Roll Hall of fame stuff was really great..I sent flowers Last year on July 3,Ill be away that day but plan to listen to Brian at least..Its good to see him get so much recognition. I hope all the regulars here are in Good health and spirits..I often think of this site and you all..Im going to England and Scotland July 26 for my 60th Birthday and will spend it with my friends in Liverpool. My health has improved incredibly and I feel all sorted out and in one piece. I hope everybody who experienced the Rolling Stones tour had a great time. I recently saw Paul Mc Cartney in Brooklyn,and he was phenomenal, spectacular, louder than the Stones It was like a long mind bending trip or dream. He really impressed me. Its just a shame the other Beatles werent there. So In conclusion, I miss you all and wish you all the best. God Bless. Jajouka, Bernard
The tongue pit at the Rolling Stones' 50 and Counting arena concerts brings fans within a few yards of the world's greatest rock 'n' roll band.
A new exhibit at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum cuts that distance to inches.
Rolling Stones: 50 Years of Satisfaction, opening Friday at the Cleveland museum, fills nearly three floors with a comprehensive retrospective that spans the band's history from the mid-1960s through today in artifacts, film, text and interactive tech.
Among the treasures are a cape, stitched from flags, that Mick Jagger wore on tour in 1981-82, the Harmony 12-string acoustic guitar that Keith Richards played on such early records as Tell Me and Good Times, Bad Times, a sketch by Charlie Watts that was published in a 1966 U.S. tour program, Brian Jones' custom Vox teardrop guitar and the original artwork for 1974's It's Only Rock 'n Roll.
Luck and a hunch played a role in the exhibit's overlap with the current tour. After failing to entice the Stones for years, the Rock Hall approached the band as it neared its 50th anniversary.
"We threw a Hail Mary pass and said, 'Hey, how about now?' and they came back with an OK," says curatorial director Howard Kramer.
Rock Hall president/CEO Greg Harris adds, "It's helpful they were gearing up for a tour. I think maybe they were in a mood to look back a little bit. It doesn't mean you're being put on a shelf. We're honoring their achievements. We know there's more to come. It's living history."
Curators met with the band, family members and many collectors to assemble a vast array of objects.
The Stones "were forthcoming with materials but more would have been better," Kramer says. "We're not complaining."
His challenge was shaping the haul into a coherent narrative.
"You have to pick your stories, and there's no shortage," Kramer says. "This is an epic. You have to tell about the formation, the roots, England at the time, problems with the law, songwriting, changes in the band.
"You have to show people the scope of their career, and there's nothing comparable in the history of recorded music. They're much more than the bad boys of rock. Keith has said, 'I still look at this as a Chicago blues band.' But the richness of the story is in the quality, sustainability and impact they've had."
The Stone Age excavation unearthed a plum cache that includes:
Jagger's Steel Wheels green leather jacket, circa 1989.
Richards' Telecaster-style hybrid guitar. The original, plagued by technical problems in the 1978 U.S. tour, was fitted with a replacement rosewood body and new hardware by Schecter Guitars.
Watts' Western Costume Design mariachi shirt, worn occasionally on stage in the '70s. ("I couldn't play in it," the drummer said. "All the ruffles came down to my wrists.")
Ronnie Wood's Zemaitis guitar, circa 1978.
Jones' Appalachian dulcimer, played on Lady Jane and I Am Waiting.
Richards' black leather bomber jacket, which he sports in photos in 1966 Stones hits collection Big Hits (High Tide and Green Grass).
Jagger's 1961 class photograph and basketball team photo from Dartford Grammar School, where he excelled in academics and sports. (His father, Joe Jagger, said, "He was excellent at basketball and cricket, but he didn't want to be tied down to all of the practice.")
The Stones' 1970 letter to Santana requesting permission to use the group's Altamont performance in a film with the working title Love in Vain, later released as Gimme Shelter. Santana declined.
A 1963 publishing agreement for early composition Stoned, the B-side of second single I Wanna Be Your Man, a Lennon/McCartney tune. All members, including Ian Stewart, are cited as co-composers.
Kramer also was excited to acquire a 1963 poster "with a glorious graphic" touting a Stones gig at Windsor's storied Ricky Tick club, Jones' Harmony Stratotone guitar, a Jagger jumpsuit by Swinging Sixties designer Ossie Clark and a leopard print jacket "emblematic of Keith's wild-man image."
Seeing such objects in photos or videos can't compare to the museum experience, even if touching is forbidden, Kramer says.
"Nothing substitutes for real," he says. "Look at how many people lined the streets of Los Angeles to see the space shuttle. There's a rewarding aspect to breathing the same air."
Another hoard lies in a companion exhibit at the museum library and archives that examines the Rolling Stones' tour production from 1975 to 1981 in photographs, stage drawings, fabric samples, lighting cues and set lists. Rolling Stones Records executive Art Collins' handwritten notes, used to help decide what to include in concert film Let's Spend the Night Together, also will be on view, along with Frank Sinatra's 1978 written request for tickets.
For the first time, the museum has launched a fan-generated interactive project that encourages participants worldwide to share photos of memorabilia, artwork, Stones concerts and more to be used in a multimedia display in the exhibit and online.
Fans may upload original images to Twitter and Instagram with the hashtag #rockhallsatisfaction to contribute. Images will be used in the exhibit, online and on the Rock Hall museum's Facebook page until the exhibit closes in March 2014.
Endurance isn't the only reason the Stones warrant such a blockbuster presentation, poised to eclipse the popularity of the museum's Elvis Presley and John Lennon exhibits.
"Their body of work is remarkable and creates a framework for telling a bigger story of rock 'n' roll," Harris says. "We think of 1950s America in Technicolor. Growing up in post-war England was far more black and white. They were living around bombed-out buildings. American blues from a marginalized voice connected with them so hard. It exploded there. The Stones came out of that scene. They keyed into Chicago music, brought it back to us and took it around the world. They embraced different styles without ever losing their identity."
Harris expects swarms of intergenerational visitors and lots of families.
"For the first time, parents and kids like the same music," he says.
"I'd like people to walk out knowing they are connected to something larger, that there is a global network connected to this band," Harris says. "And without getting too far from the music, the band's longevity is inspiring: To see what they've gone through, how they've flourished and continue to create great art and make new fans."
The Stones, inducted into the Rock Hall in 1989, will be the subject of free public programs, interviews, films and lectures during the exhibit's run. For details, visit RockHall.com.
Stones to hit the road -- Jim, 22:26:10 03/13/13 Wed(c-68-41-248-214.hsd1.mi.comcast.net/188.8.131.52)
It appears the stones are gonna hit the road again the announcement should be made official soon. Looks like 18 -20 gigs in the USA with west coast and east coast,with multiple shows in some cities.If Chicago makes the cut i could possibly do that,i'm sure prices will be similar to the gigs in December ,OUCH!Hopefully they will bring Mick T along and more than one tune.
Brian Jones: A Story of Our Times - 1971 BBC Program -- Delilah, 11:24:02 04/13/13 Sat(modemcable017.245-162-184.mc.videotron.ca/184.108.40.206)
Very nice radio program which aired on the BBC in 1971. Interesting to see how the points of view of the various characters have changed over time...
Notice how they say that Brian left the Stones, not that he was fired. That is a Keith invention (another one!) which came later.
Charlie Watts Interview -- Delilah, 11:19:01 04/13/13 Sat(modemcable017.245-162-184.mc.videotron.ca/220.127.116.11)
This was posted to Keno's board and I must say that I enjoyed reading this Charlie interview. He doesn't say much about Brian but what he does say isn't too negative. A welcome change from all the crap usually being spouted about Brian by his former band mates...
Memories of Gerry Seda, someone who Became a great friend -- Bernard James Mc Dermott (wistful), 11:50:17 04/03/13 Wed(138.sub-70-192-96.myvzw.com/18.104.22.168)
I think of Gerry every day and every time I use my computer. Brian was the first person I looked for when I got my first computer back in 1999 and Gerry welcomed me to cyberspace. I recently found her favorite photo of "Lewis" as she respectfully called him shortly before she passed away on the new My Space. This was an award winning creation of hers and one of the most popular sites on the internet, more than a million hits in one year..she sold Brian Clothes and came from my hometown of Brooklyn. We had many mutual friends who I talked to every day, not only here but on the phone.I dont know how many Brian Jones fan clubs Ive been a member of. Today the Stones announced a USA tour as Jim had mentioned. I hope everyone has a really great time that sees them, but the Rolling Stones will always be Brian's band and I hope they will do him justice, theyre the only ones who can..So Gerry and Brian, Rest in Peace, Sweet Prince and Princess. I love you. Jajouka, "BJ" Please look over me and everyone that loves you.
I got Keith's book "Life" For Christmas-Its Disgusting! -- Bernie (Fed up trying to be understanding), 10:05:50 03/13/13 Wed(172.sub-70-192-93.myvzw.com/22.214.171.124)
I have been reading "Life" for a while now..Keith talks about exorbitant excesses of drugs and isnt kind to Brian at all..He talks of Brian Staying in Chicago running around with a bow around his neck,while the Stones had to play without him,and how he "Fell For Being a Star"..Listen to the Pot calling The Kettle Black! Now I hear those rotten old bastards are touring again. I wanted to throw that book in the trash so badly, i just tossed it somewhere in disgust. I saw a play about Motown The other night and thought of a Picture I saw of Brian with Diana Ross,around 1968,where he looked like a perfect gentleman..Its terrible to think how people adore this ugly old dope addict,and his athlete partner..On Motown, It was one of the Rolling Stones' Biggest influences,and It was Brian who gave them a Motown like sound first..I recently heard Brian playing with Jimi Hendrix, he was playing really well..Id love to hear Brians Solo Recordings if they havent been destroyed..according to Roxanne, theyre really good and Brian had a great voice..one more reason why I still id with Brian is that I know what its like when certain players take over your band, it ends and they go on playing things you made up Im no big Star or no saint, but I hate irritating big egos,which is all Keith shows in this terrible book..he says "its one thing To Play a Muddy waters song but its another thing to play it with him"..as if Muddy Waters needed him..Well thank God nobody connects me with the Stones anymore..Ive changed too much for that, and also for the better..Hope everyone who comes here again is well, in good spirits and comfortable. God Bless and Happy Spring. Love and peace, B-
Flowers For Brian's birthday -- Bernard, 11:33:41 01/11/13 Fri(220.sub-70-192-68.myvzw.com/126.96.36.199)
I was just wondering if Roxanne intends to visit Brian's grave on his birthday..she was good enough to put flowers there for me Last July 3..If I could make it to England and do it myself I would,but thats not possible..He's the only person I would do this for..hope everyone here is in good spirits, Jajouka, Bernard
Re: Brian's Family -- skeeter (disapointed), 06:23:07 12/09/12 Sun(pool-71-102-60-101.plspca.fios.verizon.net/188.8.131.52)
this is all bull...the picture of daughter barbara is indeed a face shot of julia child...
Stones Press Conference - Denmark 1965 -- Delilah, 16:58:58 02/09/13 Sat(modemcable047.245-162-184.mc.videotron.ca/184.108.40.206)
OK maybe I'm late to the party but I'd never seen this before. Among other things, listen to Brian explain how he got into music!
Crossfire Hurricane documentary -- Lazlo, 16:43:28 11/12/12 Mon(adsl-99-153-143-109.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net/220.127.116.11)
From today's issue of USA Today:
Rolling Stones look back and ahead on 50th anniversary
Edna Gundersen, USA TODAYShare
The band is marking the occasion with dates in London and Newark, plus a book, greatest-hits album and an HBO documentary
The Stones mark their 50th with four concerts, a hits album, book and possible 2013 tour
Documentary 'Crossfire Hurricane' covers drug busts, Altamont and rise from rebels to rock institution
"Once this juggernaut gets rolling, it's hard to stop," says Keith Richards
8:12AM EST November 12. 2012 - Time is still on their side. After a half-century, the Rolling Stones remain a powerful, transfixing and lionized force in pop culture. You can't say the same for tape cassettes, the Telstar satellite or The Jetsons, which also made an entrance in 1962.
Fifty years ago this month, the newly formed British band was touring the U.K., ranked third on a bill behind the Everly Brothers and Bo Diddley. Before long, they were cranking out hits to challenge The Beatles' grip on global charts.
Rocking and rolling ever since, the band is marking its golden anniversary with sold-out concerts, a book, a documentary, its umpteenth compilation album and possibly a 2013 tour.
Nobody is more surprised by the Stones' shelf life than singer Mick Jagger, who in his 30s proclaimed he'd rather be dead than sing (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction after turning 40. He's now 69 and rehearsing tunes that span the band's entire catalog.
"It would have been very foolish to think it was going to last a long time," Jagger says by phone from a rehearsal venue in Paris. "The world around us was pretty crazy. You're battered by the winds of the wild times we lived through.
"Of course, I don't know the answer to our longevity," he says. "One of the important things is that we always had such amazing appreciative fans. If they didn't exist to keep this afloat, the Rolling Stones wouldn't exist."
Guitarist Keith Richards chimes in, "I don't think anybody in their right mind thought we could carry on. When our first record hit the charts modestly in England, we thought, we've got two years. That was the life span. After that, we got carried away along with everyone else."
He credits much of the band's durability to undiminished drive.
"The boys are very tough and they really love what they do," says Richards, 68. "We're having a ball and hopefully we'll translate that on stage."
Fans snapped up every ticket to a short run of arena shows, dubbed The Stones — 50 and Counting, despite some seats selling upward of $800. The band will perform Nov. 25 and 29 in London's O2 Arena and Dec. 13 and 15 in Newark's Prudential Center. The final concert will air live at 9 p.m. ET as a pay-per-view special, One More Shot, distributed by WWE to cable and satellite outlets.
The 50th salute also brings Tuesday's release of GRRR! Greatest Hits, a classics collection with new songs Doom and Gloom and One More Shot, and newly published coffee-table book The Rolling Stones 50 (Hyperion, $60), curated and narrated by the band and packed with 1,100 illustrations that include rare photos, posters and memorabilia.
Crossfire Hurricane, a Stones documentary directed by Brett Morgen, makes its U.S. debut Tuesday at the Ziegfeld Theatre in New York before premiering Thursday on HBO. The 111-minute retrospective chronicles a raucous transition from rebel outsiders to commercial titans.
Documentary 'Crossfire Hurricane' "is an exciting ride, but I can't say I was surprised by any of it,' says Mick Jagger.
"It wasn't a goal in life to become an institution," Jagger says. "If you stick around long enough, you tend to become one. It wasn't our master plan."
The rockumentary introduces the band in shambolic club dates packed with screaming girls and closes with aerial footage of 1981's record-setting American Tour.
It halts at midcareer "because we ran out of time," says Jagger, Crossfire's producer. "Brett's excuse was that it was an interesting place to end, but we really needed another nine months to do Part 2. It's a good place to drop out, and we could always do Part 2 later.
"I should have started two years before because it's quite time-consuming. I thought about it two years before but didn't do much. It was rushed, and yet we got a very decent film out of it. This is the best (Stones doc) I've seen for a long while. This and (Martin Scorsese's) Shine a Light are two of my favorites."
The voices of the players (Jagger, Richards, drummer Charlie Watts, guitarist Ronnie Wood and two former members, bassist Bill Wyman and guitarist Mick Taylor) are heard over archival footage drawn from TV clips and such films as Gimme Shelter and Charlie Is My Darling. Scrappy live versions of Street Fighting Man, Jumping Jack Flash and Paint It Black are spliced with key scenes from the Stones age.
"My intention was to not have too many talking heads, in fact, none," says Jagger, who is co-producing a James Brown biopic. He felt more engaged as Crossfire's architect than its subject. The film "is an exciting ride, but I can't say I was surprised by any of it. I'm quite familiar with the story. For me, it's about how the narrative unfolds, what you give prominence to, avoiding certain side roads."
In the film, the young Jagger appears witty and astute amid the chaos and self-possessed through the hysteria at early shows, drug busts, Brian Jones' death, even 1969's horrific free concert at Altamont Speedway near San Francisco, where 18-year-old Meredith Hunter was killed by one of the Hells Angels serving as security. Was he as cool as he seemed?
"It's hard to say," Jagger says. "You can say the whole thing is a façade, a fantasy. No matter how crazy it was, you manage to keep going. There was no training for that. There was no school for rock."
Richards' reaction to footage of himself as a teen rock anti-hero: "It's amazing to see it walk and talk."
Keith Richards and Mick Jagger revisited London's Marquee Club in 1977. It was here 50 years ago that the Stones played their first gig(Photo: AFP/Getty Images)
He's impressed by Crossfire's laser focus on the band's core and its exclusion of "girlfriends and blah-blah-blah peripheral stuff. It's fascinating, even for me, and I was there. It's very Marx Brothers in a way. Those crazy shows in the early '60s where riots broke out in the first minutes — the main problem for us was how to get in and how to get out. With the Stones, you never knew what was coming around the corner."
Often, it was the authorities. He faced a long jail term when charged with heroin trafficking in 1977 in Toronto, but got a suspended sentence after pleading guilty to possession.
"For some weird reason, we never had any fear that we wouldn't get out of it one way or another," Richards says. "I've got to put that down to the fans. It was hardly worthwhile putting me away, was it? Half the stuff I was accused of was bull. The judges saw through the prosecution. I thought, well, God's on my side and we'll win out."
He was less placid about Altamont, "the one show I'd rather not have been at. It was all done a bit on the wing. We had the Grateful Dead set it up, and they did free shows all over the place using the Angels as security, no problem. We just waltzed in expecting another Woodstock, and apart from that terrible incident, it was.
"Obviously, it was the dark side of what can happen at those things," he says. "I was amazed that Meredith was the only casualty. It's a shame the guy died, but he wasn't an innocent bystander. (Hunter rushed the stage and later pulled a gun before being stabbed.) People said the cat was asking for trouble. You don't screw with the Angels, and they were already antsy."
Crossfire doesn't whitewash controversy, misbehavior or, as Jagger describes the 1972 U.S. tour, the band's "ill-disciplined hedonistic binge." At one point, Jagger is glimpsed snorting cocaine from a knife blade.
He resisted censoring such scenes "because it's all so long ago, and there aren't any great secrets," says Jagger, known for ferociously guarding his private life. "You can't let it all hang out there. I can't, anyway. You have to fend things off to some extent. When an inevitable invasion takes you by surprise, it is upsetting, and you learn from that mistake. I have to cope with it better and protect myself better."
On July 12, 1962, the "Rollin' Stones" played their first gig at the Marquee Club in London. Since then, they've performed before more people than any band in history, graduating from club brawls and bad-boy headlines to full stadiums, high-tech productions and box-office bonanzas.
"It's stupid to make out that you're rebellious your whole life," Jagger says. "People in the French Revolution wanted it to go forever, but other people got fed up with it. You move on to the post-revolution, which is what we did. It doesn't mean you get comfortable and end up fat in front of the fire with a big cigar. I still like to get out there and bust it up.
"I am the same person," he says. "I'm doing all the same songs, hopefully with the same aplomb and enthusiasm. You can't be a lead singer without having a certain forceful ego. You have to have a ton of ego or you'll have a nervous breakdown. It's not for shy people."
Rehearsals have unearthed rare nuggets "and an awful lot of different songs," Jagger says, declining specifics. "The last song we rehearsed is one I did when I was 16."
So what can fans in Newark and London expect?
"The band fantastically, completely and utterly different from what it's ever been," Jagger jokes. "It's the Rolling Stones onstage. We do things we just wrote and things we did in 1963."
A recent pair of small Paris club shows "felt like being back home," Richards says. "We've been away too long. We know we're ready. Now it's just a matter of polishing the chrome. We want to oil the new ones, and we're really digging deep through the reportoire and may be playing stuff that nobody's heard for a long time. Everyone's in top form, and I'm really looking forward to laying it out again. It's been a long layoff."
Getting the Stones rolling again entailed repairing his bond with Jagger, in particular apologizing for barbs in his 2010 memoir, Life. Richards says that reports of strain are "terribly overblown" and that the pair's shared sense of humor incorporates trading insults.
He adds, "It's no big deal. I can understand how it's taken out of context by people who don't know us, but as far and Mick and I are concerned, we're rocking."
And that has intensified buzz about a 2013 tour. The 2007-09 Bigger Bang global trek, which grossed $558 million, was history's biggest outing until U2's 360 marathon from 2009 to 2011 pulled in $736 million. Few question the Stones' ability to eclipse that peak, should they take the plunge.
The band hasn't lost its muscle or pull, says Anthony DeCurtis, Rolling Stone contributing editor, noting, "Onstage the Rolling Stones long ago earned their reputation as 'the greatest rock 'n' roll band in the world.' But whatever the size of the venue, the Stones still play like a band in a club on a Saturday night, ripping, scratching and tearing at their bottomless catalog of hits as if they still had everything to prove. That's why fans turn out to see them in such huge numbers. They're legends who in performance burn as hot as ever."
A 2013 tour has yet to be confirmed.
"One thing at a time, baby," Richards cautions. "It's taken me a year or two to get it this far. I do know that once this juggernaut gets rolling, it's hard to stop. Without being able to promise anything, I have a feeling there's definitely going to be something going next year."
A farewell tour? Jagger is similarly fuzzy about the band's exit.
"All good things will come to an end, children, but I can't foresee when that will be," he says.
Meantime, "the greatest rock 'n' roll band in the world" isn't ready to relinquish its title.
"I haven't seen anyone else dare to take it from us," Richards says. "Remember, we've never said that. Other people have called us that. The greatest rock 'n' roll is probably played by a different band in a different part of the world every night. I'm very happy people think that of us. It's something to live up to."
Not Brian, but His stand in -- FGWM, 17:37:35 12/27/12 Thu(NoHost/18.104.22.168)
Wow did any of you catch the news of Ronnie Woods Marriage?12/21/12, He was married to Suzie 34yrs old ,31 yrs. his junior and No #3. Mrs. woods. None of the Stones were in attendance, but among the celebrities were Sir Paul McCartney, and Rod Stewart. Even on tour not a Stone was in attendance. I think that maybe the Stones may have respected Ronnie's 2nd wife too much to attend. I don't know
I wonder if Ron set the date for 12/21/12 because of the off chance that the world might have ended and she might not
get all his money?
Merry Christmas! -- Linda, 05:56:25 12/25/12 Tue(184-156-197-169.dyn.centurytel.net/22.214.171.124)
We've all made it through "Doomsday", and nobody was happier than I was when December 21st passed without incident. Here's one more Christmas to wish Brian fans everywhere a blessed new year. God bless you all!
What a Year and 50th Anniversary Its Been! -- Bernie (Very happy), 13:11:37 12/21/12 Fri(124.sub-70-192-93.myvzw.com/126.96.36.199)
While 2012 might have gotten off to a rather bumpy start for me, I have made a lot of progress this year..This board has been very helpful to me, all your kindnesses and patience has been one of the highlights. I would like especially to thank Delilah for her work in keeping this going; Gerry Would be proud..and also for posting all these interesting links and videos,and Linda for her cheerful presence,we havent heard from Roxanne since last summer, but I hope she and her husband are secure and happy..And also Lazlo and Jim for caring enough to share information..Id like to thank The Rolling Stones for fooling us and then delivering the goods..I hope all your wishes for the new year come true..my only wishes are to play with others again and to let my hair get long again, My Sister plans to take me to Scotland and Liverpool this summer to celebrate my 60th Birthday; hopefully there wont be any disasters like happened here in New York this year. So God Bless you all, peace and Love, and Rock and Roll Music. Jajouka, "Crazy Bernard"