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Date Posted: 11:50:07 03/09/14 Sun
Author: highplainswoman
Subject: Not to "interrupt birthday greetings" but a question or two (inside)

Happy birthday, Hope!

Between household chores, here.

I just spent the last two weeks on and off reviewing all ten seasons (I have the complete DVD set, thank goodness!--recommended course of action, by the way for any number of reasons) and at least one question has cropped up in my mind: When and where did fan fiction get the idea Harriet and Bud were perpetual matchmakers between Harm and Mac, anyway?? Harriet was ecstatic over Mac's impending wedding to Mic, and Bud seemed to be genuinely happy about the relationship between Clay and Mac. If there was a real "disconnect" between the series and fan fiction, I think it's on that very topic. Stories have been written about Harm's grandmother--and I personally think those stories have more basis "in fact" than does Harriet's matchmaking efforts. And I'm truly mystified by this notion.

Status report; turns out I have to do a little research before I can really get into a new story I'm producing, so be patient. I'm looking for a better-paying job in addition to caring for my elderly mother, so just hang in there. And contributions, one way or the other on the above topic will influence some minor aspects of the storyline I'm working on. (Kinda hashing out some of the details as well.)

Thanks to one and all. Will be "bopping" in and out today--I hate, positively hate the time changes: screws up both Mom and I considerably and takes some time to adjust.

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[> I think Harriet wanted to see them paired off, though not necessarily with each other. She was the one who showed Dalton to Mac after she was back at JAG, and she tried to matchmake her with a lobbyist in "Rogue" in season 5. She was thrilled with Mac's engagement to Mic, and she and Bud were going to be Matron of Honor and Best Man at the wedding. She and Renee had a girl's night while Bud and Mic went drinking when Harm and Mac were out of town together. The only time Harriet and Bud were excited for Harm and Mac was at McMurphy's in FWFS. INSIDE -- yiota, 13:36:33 03/09/14 Sun

If somene WAS matchmaking, it was the Admiral: he told Harm he didn't know what Mac was seeing in Dalton, and that Mic didn't have a chance with Mac. Then there was the 'non judicial punishment' in Australia, and telling Harm not to look back. After that he asked Mic if it bothered him that Mac was in Russia, or that she was in Russia with Harm. His appointing one of them to the judiciary could be seen as his attempt to get rid of the 500 pound gorilla, and he told Meredith that the two of them were candidates for COUPLE'S therapy. He seemed plenty aware why Harm wanted to go to Paraguay, and even his anger at Harm once they returned could be because of his disappointment that they didn't tell him 'you know, it's good that Harm quit, because we're getting married the first chance we get, and this way we won't have any work conflicts (or a 500 pound gorilla in the room). The Admiral TOLD Harm to take responsibility for his actions, or he wouldn't have any luck with women, implying Mac.


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[> I think a lot of fic is written to satisfy the reader who wanted to see Harriet and Bud encourage Harm and Mac. It never really happened. But in most romances, other people recognize that the love that exists. It makes it more exciting than having what we got: a potential romance that was so devoid of spark, that no one noticed. As shippers, we had to make up our own fantasies. -- Cece, 19:29:04 03/09/14 Sun


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[> [> I agree. I never understood why the writers wrote it that way. Maybe they were afraid of playing to that cliche of EVERYONE but the couple seeing the attraction, so they only wrote the admiral as seeing it. Regardless, I think it is fun for Bud & Harriet to see it to, and I must not be the only one since it shows up in fanfic so often. -- JJ Ronda, 06:19:28 03/10/14 Mon


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[> [> [> Ugh! *toO*. I'm embarrassed. That is a pet peeve error! -- JJ Ronda--need more coffee. Stupid daylight savings time!, 06:20:41 03/10/14 Mon


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[> [> [> Yeah JJ, blame the clock...LOL. It's not like JAG avoided cliches. I get the secret love. That gives it excitement. But not for 9 years. It made Harriet and Bud look both daft and somewhat self-absorbed. As for AJ, knowing the connection didn't stop him from hitting on Mac. That was out of character, and it makes me think that move was a fantasy of older male writers. I, for one, was repulsed, as AJ was a father figure to Mac. -- Cece, 14:59:31 03/10/14 Mon


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[> [> [> [> Totally agree with Cece's comments here. It was unrealistic that given the clear connection between Harm and Mac, Bud and Harriet seemed so oblivious. And AJ making an advance towards Mac (especially with the timing) was so unnecessary. -- Dee, 03:59:45 03/27/14 Thu


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[> The Bud&Harriet coupling was like the total opposite of Mac&Harm -- that is -- they were obvious, quick to get together, annoyingly cutesy, and everything worked out despite working in the same command. It seemed to be just a ploy to appease viewers that there was SOME normality to the likelihood of an 'office' romance. That scene with AJ and Mac also unnerved me -- -- mj, 17:26:13 03/10/14 Mon

what were the writers thinking -- it was so 'out there'?! Again, they had to find someone to appear like they found Mac attractive. Instead of making it the logical, appropriate choice -- Harm -- they sucked in AJ. Gross.I found the whole 9 years just so unbelievably unrealistic -- 3-4 years -- ok, but 9 years -- c'mon! It was another reason I almost stopped watching when Mac took up with Webb -- I found that coupling annoying. Really smacked of playing games with loyal viewers.


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[> That's why they call it "Fanon". There's "Canon" - which is the basic facts and original meanings/intents. Then there is "Fanon", wihch is wishful-thinking on the part of the Fans/Fic-writers that they WANT to be Canon. Another example is that Harm is a die-hard vegan. He never said he was and there is no evidence to support it. Healthy eater, yes. No red meat? possibly. But Vegan? Nope. That's Fanon. -- The Chief, 22:27:13 03/10/14 Mon


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[> [> OR, the idea/myth is liked so much by the fans that they replace canon with wishful thinking in their minds. Then it becomes "fact" to them, not realizing that what they believe is inaccurate. -- The Chief, 22:29:14 03/10/14 Mon


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[> [> [> Yeah, like the idea that Mac has a key to Harm's apartment. That was never in the show yet it appears in fanfic all the time. -- JJ Ronda, 06:09:40 03/11/14 Tue


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[> [> [> [> Right! I don't read a lot of fic anymore - does Harm have a key to Mac's apartment in those stories, too? -- The Chief, 00:41:42 03/18/14 Tue


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