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Subject: Long time pageant fan.. Click in...


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Date Posted: Monday, July 01, 11:02:11am

Morgan is very very MAO 2.0 - one of the big problems up front is the way MAO markets the competition, and the other is what people interpret from that. When they say “talent is 50%” some people stop listening and paying attention to what’s really going on. I wish MAO would STOP with the percentages, because if you watched Miss America in September, it was obvious that talent was not a primary factor. It can be used as a differentiator, but as we can see, not always.
Some girls and their families have put THOUSANDs of dollars into a talent, going as far as to get college degrees in the field, only to be beaten by a girl with a last minute dredged up talent. They don’t get it because that’s their perspective. They feel cheated, but that’s on them.
MAO 2.0 is about social change. Body positivity. The underdog changing the world. The woman set out to cure cancer. The girl aspiring to be president. If you are pretty, or blonde, or naturally thin, welcome to the new handicap. You BETTER have a plan to save the world, beat the odds, raise money for the children, etc. or you.won’t.win. And Don’t think because you just showed up with a great talent, or natural hair, or you’re winning the sympathy vote that THAT is all you need. You better be the “new” complete package, it’s NOT a pageant anymore and you either approach it traditionally and get frustrated, or get a new plan and become competitive.

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Date Posted: Monday, July 01, 12:04:20pm

>Morgan is very very MAO 2.0 - one of the big problems
>up front is the way MAO markets the competition, and
>the other is what people interpret from that. When
>they say “talent is 50%” some people stop
>listening and paying attention to what’s really
>going on. I wish MAO would STOP with the percentages,
>because if you watched Miss America in September, it
>was obvious that talent was not a primary factor. It
>can be used as a differentiator, but as we can see,
>not always.

>Some girls and their families have put THOUSANDs of
>dollars into a talent, going as far as to get college
>degrees in the field, only to be beaten by a girl with
>a last minute dredged up talent. They don’t get it
>because that’s their perspective. They feel cheated,
>but that’s on them.
>MAO 2.0 is about social change. Body positivity. The
>underdog changing the world. The woman set out to cure
>cancer. The girl aspiring to be president. If you are
>pretty, or blonde, or naturally thin, welcome to the
>new handicap. You BETTER have a plan to save the
>world, beat the odds, raise money for the children,
>etc. or you.won’t.win. And Don’t think because you
>just showed up with a great talent, or natural hair,
>or you’re winning the sympathy vote that THAT is all
>you need. You better be the “new” complete
>package, it’s NOT a pageant anymore and you either
>approach it traditionally and get frustrated, or get a
>new plan and become competitive.

Sorry, but when the organization announces a competition, with certain selection criteria (such as talent being 50 % of score), they should hold the competition within those rules. It is not disrespecting anyone to say the other 50 ladies, and their sponsors, prepared for the rules as they were announced. But it insulting the preparations of the others and their efforts; the fund raising, the work on their platforms, rehearsing their talents, and spending money, to say they didn't understand the change in the rules, and only politically correct and properly sponsored competitors will be eligible for the crown. The SC organization told none of the girls or LED's that talent wouldn't really matter. That is disrespect. Fifty women were insulted by the choice of an untalented young lady in a competition in which talent was supposed to be 50 % of the deciding factor. If your "rules" are the new normal, hold a convention, have debates, and have your constituency vote for their choice, but don't use the title of a once proud organization.

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[> [> Subject: Re: Long time pageant fan.. Click in...


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Date Posted: Monday, July 01, 01:56:27pm

>>Morgan is very very MAO 2.0 - one of the big problems
>>up front is the way MAO markets the competition, and
>>the other is what people interpret from that. When
>>they say “talent is 50%” some people stop
>>listening and paying attention to what’s really
>>going on. I wish MAO would STOP with the percentages,
>>because if you watched Miss America in September, it
>>was obvious that talent was not a primary factor. It
>>can be used as a differentiator, but as we can see,
>>not always.
>
>>Some girls and their families have put THOUSANDs of
>>dollars into a talent, going as far as to get college
>>degrees in the field, only to be beaten by a girl with
>>a last minute dredged up talent. They don’t get it
>>because that’s their perspective. They feel cheated,
>>but that’s on them.
>>MAO 2.0 is about social change. Body positivity. The
>>underdog changing the world. The woman set out to cure
>>cancer. The girl aspiring to be president. If you are
>>pretty, or blonde, or naturally thin, welcome to the
>>new handicap. You BETTER have a plan to save the
>>world, beat the odds, raise money for the children,
>>etc. or you.won’t.win. And Don’t think because you
>>just showed up with a great talent, or natural hair,
>>or you’re winning the sympathy vote that THAT is all
>>you need. You better be the “new” complete
>>package, it’s NOT a pageant anymore and you either
>>approach it traditionally and get frustrated, or get a
>>new plan and become competitive.
>
>Sorry, but when the organization announces a
>competition, with certain selection criteria (such as
>talent being 50 % of score), they should hold the
>competition within those rules. It is not
>disrespecting anyone to say the other 50 ladies, and
>their sponsors, prepared for the rules as they were
>announced. But it insulting the preparations of the
>others and their efforts; the fund raising, the work
>on their platforms, rehearsing their talents, and
>spending money, to say they didn't understand the
>change in the rules, and only politically correct and
>properly sponsored competitors will be eligible for
>the crown. The SC organization told none of the girls
>or LED's that talent wouldn't really matter. That is
>disrespect. Fifty women were insulted by the choice
>of an untalented young lady in a competition in which
>talent was supposed to be 50 % of the deciding factor.
> If your "rules" are the new normal, hold a
>convention, have debates, and have your constituency
>vote for their choice, but don't use the title of a
>once proud organization.


Then she should have done a science experiment on stage for her talent like a candidate in a different state pageant did and spared all of us our hearing. It was not even music -it was offensive. A good coach would have steered her in a different direction for talent. I saw a few dancers that were obviously lacking greatly in technique. I saw two very good dancers total one mediocre and lots below average. So dancing is obviously open to interpretation. Do that. Don’t wail in a mic, sound like that and not expect backlash. thats not reality, either. I haven’t seen anyone attacking her intelligence and she’s obviously beautiful - but her “singing” was worse than an elementary school talent show. Even some Clemson fans have said the same.

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[> Subject: I watched miss America and the best talent won. And it was a phenomenal talent! I love Morgan and I know the Miss SC Board has always been successful in preparing their girls for the national level. And I have no doubt Morgan will shine at the national level.


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Date Posted: Monday, July 01, 12:29:19pm

>Morgan is very very MAO 2.0 - one of the big problems
>up front is the way MAO markets the competition, and
>the other is what people interpret from that. When
>they say “talent is 50%” some people stop
>listening and paying attention to what’s really
>going on. I wish MAO would STOP with the percentages,
>because if you watched Miss America in September, it
>was obvious that talent was not a primary factor. It
>can be used as a differentiator, but as we can see,
>not always.
>Some girls and their families have put THOUSANDs of
>dollars into a talent, going as far as to get college
>degrees in the field, only to be beaten by a girl with
>a last minute dredged up talent. They don’t get it
>because that’s their perspective. They feel cheated,
>but that’s on them.
>MAO 2.0 is about social change. Body positivity. The
>underdog changing the world. The woman set out to cure
>cancer. The girl aspiring to be president. If you are
>pretty, or blonde, or naturally thin, welcome to the
>new handicap. You BETTER have a plan to save the
>world, beat the odds, raise money for the children,
>etc. or you.won’t.win. And Don’t think because you
>just showed up with a great talent, or natural hair,
>or you’re winning the sympathy vote that THAT is all
>you need. You better be the “new” complete
>package, it’s NOT a pageant anymore and you either
>approach it traditionally and get frustrated, or get a
>new plan and become competitive.

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[> [> Subject: You aren't seriously comparing Nia and Morgan? You just made the above posters point. Talent was supposed to be 50%. Morgan couldn't have placed in the ten with that Talent. It was the bottom ten.


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Date Posted: Monday, July 01, 12:46:26pm

>>Morgan is very very MAO 2.0 - one of the big problems
>>up front is the way MAO markets the competition, and
>>the other is what people interpret from that. When
>>they say “talent is 50%” some people stop
>>listening and paying attention to what’s really
>>going on. I wish MAO would STOP with the percentages,
>>because if you watched Miss America in September, it
>>was obvious that talent was not a primary factor. It
>>can be used as a differentiator, but as we can see,
>>not always.
>>Some girls and their families have put THOUSANDs of
>>dollars into a talent, going as far as to get college
>>degrees in the field, only to be beaten by a girl with
>>a last minute dredged up talent. They don’t get it
>>because that’s their perspective. They feel cheated,
>>but that’s on them.
>>MAO 2.0 is about social change. Body positivity. The
>>underdog changing the world. The woman set out to cure
>>cancer. The girl aspiring to be president. If you are
>>pretty, or blonde, or naturally thin, welcome to the
>>new handicap. You BETTER have a plan to save the
>>world, beat the odds, raise money for the children,
>>etc. or you.won’t.win. And Don’t think because you
>>just showed up with a great talent, or natural hair,
>>or you’re winning the sympathy vote that THAT is all
>>you need. You better be the “new” complete
>>package, it’s NOT a pageant anymore and you either
>>approach it traditionally and get frustrated, or get a
>>new plan and become competitive.

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[> [> [> Subject: Bo I’m replying to the above remark that “if you watched Miss America it was apparent that talent was not a primary factor” to that part I disagree, there was great talent and the greatest talent won!


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Date Posted: Monday, July 01, 01:35:57pm

>>>Morgan is very very MAO 2.0 - one of the big problems
>>>up front is the way MAO markets the competition, and
>>>the other is what people interpret from that. When
>>>they say “talent is 50%” some people stop
>>>listening and paying attention to what’s really
>>>going on. I wish MAO would STOP with the percentages,
>>>because if you watched Miss America in September, it
>>>was obvious that talent was not a primary factor. It
>>>can be used as a differentiator, but as we can see,
>>>not always.
>>>Some girls and their families have put THOUSANDs of
>>>dollars into a talent, going as far as to get college
>>>degrees in the field, only to be beaten by a girl
>with
>>>a last minute dredged up talent. They don’t get it
>>>because that’s their perspective. They feel
>cheated,
>>>but that’s on them.
>>>MAO 2.0 is about social change. Body positivity. The
>>>underdog changing the world. The woman set out to
>cure
>>>cancer. The girl aspiring to be president. If you are
>>>pretty, or blonde, or naturally thin, welcome to the
>>>new handicap. You BETTER have a plan to save the
>>>world, beat the odds, raise money for the children,
>>>etc. or you.won’t.win. And Don’t think because
>you
>>>just showed up with a great talent, or natural hair,
>>>or you’re winning the sympathy vote that THAT is
>all
>>>you need. You better be the “new” complete
>>>package, it’s NOT a pageant anymore and you either
>>>approach it traditionally and get frustrated, or get
>a
>>>new plan and become competitive.

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[> [> [> [> Subject: Correction not Bo. Should have been *No


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Date Posted: Monday, July 01, 01:37:05pm

>>>>Morgan is very very MAO 2.0 - one of the big
>problems
>>>>up front is the way MAO markets the competition, and
>>>>the other is what people interpret from that. When
>>>>they say “talent is 50%” some people stop
>>>>listening and paying attention to what’s really
>>>>going on. I wish MAO would STOP with the
>percentages,
>>>>because if you watched Miss America in September, it
>>>>was obvious that talent was not a primary factor. It
>>>>can be used as a differentiator, but as we can see,
>>>>not always.
>>>>Some girls and their families have put THOUSANDs of
>>>>dollars into a talent, going as far as to get
>college
>>>>degrees in the field, only to be beaten by a girl
>>with
>>>>a last minute dredged up talent. They don’t get
>it
>>>>because that’s their perspective. They feel
>>cheated,
>>>>but that’s on them.
>>>>MAO 2.0 is about social change. Body positivity. The
>>>>underdog changing the world. The woman set out to
>>cure
>>>>cancer. The girl aspiring to be president. If you
>are
>>>>pretty, or blonde, or naturally thin, welcome to the
>>>>new handicap. You BETTER have a plan to save the
>>>>world, beat the odds, raise money for the children,
>>>>etc. or you.won’t.win. And Don’t think because
>>you
>>>>just showed up with a great talent, or natural hair,
>>>>or you’re winning the sympathy vote that THAT is
>>all
>>>>you need. You better be the “new” complete
>>>>package, it’s NOT a pageant anymore and you either
>>>>approach it traditionally and get frustrated, or get
>>a
>>>>new plan and become competitive.

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[> Subject: To whomever keeps referencing 50 met the talent threshold. Sorry, but that is simply not true. There were on 2 very good talents in the T10, and neither of those would win Talent Preliminary at Miss AmericaAnd the rest were marginal.


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[> [> Subject: Talent is 50% in prelims. A high caliber talent will carry a candidate into finals, but some weaker talents will get in if they have a strong SII & speak passionately and clearly. From 16 to 10, talent won't save a girl that doesn't have a good SII. In Top 10, talent is only 30% and judges can't give lower than 6s. The weakest talents can make it to the Top 5 with this. Then after it all there's a rerank. The judges have to rank based on how the "job description" was charged. Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the results here. I think the judges ought to have been instructed to consider and ought to have considered talent both in how it can be used during the year at as Miss SC and for performance at MA, but I can see how this happens under the current scoring rules. -- I think Sarah, Morgan R., and Jada's talents were all MA ready and a disagree with the poster who said none of the Top 5 could win an MA talent prelim.


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Date Posted: Monday, July 01, 05:09:47pm


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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Talent is 50% in prelims. A high caliber talent will carry a candidate into finals, but some weaker talents will get in if they have a strong SII & speak passionately and clearly. From 16 to 10, talent won't save a girl that doesn't have a good SII. In Top 10, talent is only 30% and judges can't give lower than 6s. The weakest talents can make it to the Top 5 with this. Then after it all there's a rerank. The judges have to rank based on how the "job description" was charged. Don't get me wrong, I'm not happy with the results here. I think the judges ought to have been instructed to consider and ought to have considered talent both in how it can be used during the year at as Miss SC and for performance at MA, but I can see how this happens under the current scoring rules. -- I think Sarah, Morgan R., and Jada's talents were all MA ready and a disagree with the poster who said none of the Top 5 could win an MA talent prelim.


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Date Posted: Monday, July 01, 05:43:15pm

I hope Morgan Romano comes back. Yes, there has been rumors of her being mean to other contestants, but honestly....at the end of the day rumors will always be spread about someone who has been successful in the pageant. When talking about Morgan Nichols' talent, yes its not the best. Yes, she may not even be any better spoken than the others. But the judges saw something we didn't. It could have come down to what their individual platforms were. Look at the judges qualifications! They may prefer one platform over the other. I hope they change Morgan Nichols' talent, but ultimately she doesn't deserve the backlash. We just need to support this decision because we can't change it. Hopefully we can change how we approach this new scoring in the future. No matter who wins, we will all never be satisfied. I'm not saying I agree with the outcome, but what I am saying is that what is done is done. Nothing we can do. Let's get through Miss America, see what happens, and I think we will get our answer. The emotions are raw and fresh right now.

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[> Subject: Re: Long time pageant fan.. Click in...


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Date Posted: Monday, July 01, 07:53:20pm

So can we expect to see an intelligent, slightly overweight, young lady who who is in a wheelchair, does not wear fake eyelashes or have a spray tan but has a plan to change the world be given the opportunity to take the crown? Will this be MAO 2.0?

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