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] Date Posted: 14:43:47 12/27/13 Fri Apparently, Miss Arkansas gets a $20,000 scholarship, Miss Oklahoma $16,000, and Miss Texas also receives $12,000. What can be done to help California surge ahead and provide the largest prizes? Are there avenues we aren't exploring? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
| [> Subject: 1) A Miss California alumnae fund soliciting donations from former contestants, including a formers reception and/or lunch during pageant week. In Washington, former Miss WA's have their own organization, independent of the state pageant org., which holds a fund raiser during pageant week, and other activities, and contributes thousands of dollars in scholarships and additional prizes to the new Miss WA every years. 2) An active program soliciting corporate scholarship donors - e.g., corporations like Wells Fargo, the major public utilities, Clorox, Levi Strauss, Macy's, Disney, Silicon Valley firms. This would require a volunteer to coordinate the whole thing, and willing formers (Miis CAs and local titleholders) to make personal presentations to the corporate philanthropy people at these companies. For these companies, the economy is not as "down" as people think, or as you may be experiencing with local businesses. I have a few other ideas, but those are two of the main ones. | |
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Author: Ernie Koneck [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:06:55 12/28/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Re: Scholarships | |
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Author: Miss Cali Fan [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:09:07 12/28/13 Sat The Miss California Organization needs to get their act together and figure out how to compete with all the smaller states. We have 1/10 of the nations population here in California so we need to be the power house of pageants. We have to rework the Teen program on a quick pace so that we can send a teen to Florida that will be competitive this year. It feels like the higher powers have their own agendas not the organization as a whole in mind. We loose great volunteers due to the poor management and dishonest people involved. I felt being at the MAOT pageant this year we are not well respected. Lets figure it out!!!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: I would settle for MCO allowing contestants to use their scholarship award for student loans. | |
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Author: . [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:39:10 12/29/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Agreed. | |
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Author: . [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:34:28 12/29/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: That would be great!// | |
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Author: // [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:15:08 12/29/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: IIRC that is actually due to the fact that it's a 501(c)3, and it must be paid to a school directly. However, I could be wrong. | |
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Author: . [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 05:48:00 12/30/13 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Is National Miss AMerica Organization a 501c3? If so, look at their Scholarship rules. that even allow to rom and board and items required for classes including books, computers and musical instruments. | |
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Author: jmho Miss America scholarship use rules should be standards. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:14:47 12/30/13 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Many states also allow loans, etc to be paid with winnings. Why not CA? We should be progressive, or at least with the times! | |
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Author: never got that [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:36:36 12/30/13 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Many states also allow loans, etc to be paid with winnings. Why not CA? We should be progressive, or at least with the times! | |
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Author: So do MIss America Organization rules. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:24:32 12/30/13 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I think it has to do with IRS rules and nonprofits. Not the choice of directors. | |
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Author: Following rules [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:57:21 12/31/13 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Miss America is a 501 C3 and here are their rules: http://www.missamerica.org/scholarships/scholarship-directory.aspx | |
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Author: Anything different are state choices and due to state choices, some are denied their scholarships, even after bringing in the ad money that pays thier scholarships in the first place! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:07:56 12/31/13 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Not true. You CAN be a 501c# and pay student loans. MAO does. | |
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Author: .. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:44:33 01/02/14 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Not true. You CAN be a 501c# and pay student loans. MAO does. Aside from student loans what if a local is held after 2nd semester tuition due and paid by titleholder credit card? If trying to award scholarships, then remove obstacles and pay the scholarship to the college financial office, they in turn will reimburse the credit card. | |
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Author: JMHO Just makes sense, especially for college seniors. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:58:24 01/20/14 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Scholarships in California are a scam. The contestants are expected to raise their own scholarships through the "team player" bs that is spewed at them every year but then they don't get to apply the funds they raised toward student loans and by the way, the "no loan" rule is a Bob rule, not an IRS rule. | |
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Author: ===== [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:07:43 01/01/14 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Miss FL receives $20,000, and Miss WA receives $11,500... shouldn't we expect more for our girls? | |
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Author: ? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 05:44:40 01/02/14 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Miss Califiornia is not a 501(c)3. A quick check on guidestar.org will show you that there is no Miss California Organization registered as a non-profit organization. | |
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Author: . [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:59:29 01/03/14 Fri . [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Miss CA is not a 501c3, Scholarship Associates is. Under their incorporation, scholarships can only be paid to qualified educational institutions. Banks and loan companies are not educational institutions. All Miss CA scholarships are paid by Scholarship Associates other pageants can pay their scholarships anyway their 501c3 paperwork says they can. You may not like it but that's the way it is. If you would like to read the articles for incorporation and the filing for 501c3 status they are public documents that can be requested through the freedom of information act. | |
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Author: facts [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:24:31 01/03/14 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Another FACT: The articles of incorporation were written by the Miss California Organization - i.e. Bob. | |
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Author: Bob could have chosen to cover loans but he didn't. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:25:34 01/04/14 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Bob is also the director of Scholarship Associates (according to their tax filings), so I think he approved the articles of incorporation before signing off on them. The contestants make out their checks to the Miss California Organization. I think many people would feel more secure if they knew exactly where their money was going. If the ad sales checks were made directly out to a non-profit organization, they would have the right to request that information. Unfortunately the checks are made out to the Miss California Pageant (not a non-profit). | |
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Author: a call for transparency [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:19:34 01/05/14 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Theoretically since the checks are cut to the Miss California Org and then money is deposited in Scholarship Associates, Bob only has to deposit enough to cut checks for the scholarships earned. Since the board has no oversight of state finances, bob could be running amok with $$, other than that specifically used for S.A. | |
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Author: $.02 [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:32:22 01/06/14 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Bob has said that for a $10,000.00 donation to Miss CA he'll give access to the books | |
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Author: take him up on it [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 10:51:00 01/06/14 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Bob says that as a manipulative ploy to shut people up. The truth is, he should be transparent when it comes to the organization's finanace - MCO and SA. Until he is, people will always wonder what he is hiding | |
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Author: 4sgt [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:03:24 01/06/14 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Bob says that as a manipulative ploy to shut people up. The truth is, he should be transparent when it comes to the organization's finanace - MCO and SA. Until he is, people will always wonder what he is hiding | |
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Author: This is all so crazy lets hope its all false. Hate to think people are not honest. The fact the girls can't pay loans is so unfair and dumb. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:06:38 01/07/14 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: There is a reason Bob and Bob only is in control of money! No one knows what Bob does with the money and never will! How stupid does Bob think we are? Nothing anyone can do folks!! | |
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Author: NOPE!! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 03:12:04 01/08/14 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: None of how Bob is structuring the organization, by the way, is illegal. How he structures the flow of money into the Scholarship Association & into the pageant is completely legal & not intended to be shady or dishonest. Its just structured in a way to his choosing and advised by financial experts and then people are shocked when they learn about it. They have a vision instead of all monies, ads, fees, and donations are going towards scholarships for the girls but in fact a lot of money is needed to form, bolster, and keep the organization in the black for a variety of reasons revenue/expenditures that our tax codes require. Other states in MAO have choices in how they want to structure their organization. Certain designs within the non-profit org keep a state out of trouble depending on the flow and total monies they have. Bob chooses this algorithm. It's a little bit dated and one of the older designs but it is low risk for MCO to get in trouble & maybe that's what he aims for. | |
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Author: I have an accountant son. He says it's kosher. I believe everything Bob chooses to do is a reaction of something that happened in the past. Don't assume dishonesty just b/c you don't like it. Just ask him why he chooses this design of monies flow. There's probably a good reason. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:38:58 01/09/14 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: I don't think anyone would assert that the legal structure is wrong. Nor would they have any problem with the other, substantial expenses that the Miss CA organization incurs. What is unacceptable is the he REFUSES to disclose the complete books of the organization. SHOW us what all the other expenses are. SHOW us the cash inflows and outflows. SHOW us that you are above board and not pilfering money | |
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Author: it's time to come clean [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:15:49 01/09/14 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: its his legal discretion to opt not to disclose. maybe he would offer info if someone asked him during meetings or in a group letter or maybe if he felt threatened he would lose a substantial number of volunteers if he didn't. someone have the balls to organize and petition your demands! don't include me b/c I read this board as a 'has been' and I don't care anymore. but if you care then do something other than complain and suspect. | |
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Author: do something or move on or get out. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:58:36 01/09/14 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: I don't know about what is legal or illegal, however I do know that MAO requires that if you say you are offering $100,000 to the 2013 state contestants, then you must have $100,000 in your scholarship account by the date of the pageant and that $100,000 is for the 2013 contestants only. | |
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Author: If Bob is so honest, then why not tell everyone the specifics of MCO's financial situation? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:23:28 01/09/14 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: There are so many MAO rules that we should be following but we don't. I think we just make them up as we go. | |
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Author: fan [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:59:21 01/17/14 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Doesn't even make sense that the girls can't use their scholarship money to pay school loans. Are the other states the same??? | |
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Author: pageant fan [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:07:14 01/17/14 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Is MCO a non-profit organization or not??? | |
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Author: pageant fan [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:13:42 01/17/14 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The Miss California Organization is a 501(c)(4) non profit, Scholarship Associates, where the scholarships are paid from, is a 501(c)(3) non-profit. Not all non profits are created equal, there are very different rules for these two designations but they are both non profit organizations. If you are interested in the differences here is an exhaustive list.http://nonprofit.about.com/od/becomingtaxexempt/a/nonprofittypes.htm | |
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Author: Nothing shady going on [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:55:09 01/18/14 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I agree that 501(c)4 and 501(c)3 orgs are different types of non-profits, but I urge you to go to guidestar.org and do a search of "Miss California Pageant Inc." Guidestar is a google for non-profits and allows you to see tax filings (form 990) for non-profit organizations. Miss California does not come up in any of these searches. If it were a 501(c)4, you would be able to see their Form 990 (since their gross receipts is over $50,000 annually). If they were a 501(c)4, you would see the form and a box would be checked classifying it as 501(c)4. There is no form for Miss California. There is a form 990 available for Scholarship Associates, but we (contestant supporters and advertisers) don't pay into that organization so we don't get to deduct anything. | |
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Author: . [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:14:51 01/18/14 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Gold Sponsors pay Scholarship Associates and can deduct the non-ticket portion of their donation ($250) from their taxes. I think Century Club may also be Scholarship Associates, but I'm not positive. | |
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Author: Ernie [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 04:41:10 01/19/14 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I still don't understand this. Where is the form that shows how much Miss CA Org pays out in salaries and expenses. I know this is available for MAO. | |
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Author: Thx [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:04:18 01/30/14 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Obviously, nobody knows. | |
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Author: but thanks anyway [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:57:11 02/04/14 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: The IRS and nonprofits themselves are required to disclose the information on Form 990 to anyone who asks. Nonprofits must allow public inspection of these records during regular business hours at their principal offices. Afraid to ask Bob? The Miss CA 990 can be obtained from the IRS by writing a letter, including the name of the organization, the year, and the type of tax return requested, and send it to: Commissioner of Internal Revenue Attn: Freedom of Information Reading Room 1111 Constitution Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20224 | |
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Author: all you have to do is ask [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:20:04 02/04/14 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: So the original question referenced larger scholarships awarded to other state titleholders and asked, "Are there avenues we aren't exploring?" I replied with a couple of ideas, which every other responder has ignored. Instead, the discussion has been about using scholarships for student loans - a valid concern, but off the original topic - and people questioning Bob's organization structure and his lack of transparency, again - off the topic. In a way, isn't this bullying, too? But it just points up that when it comes to the "adults" on this board, there's a lot of complaining but not a lot of ideas for improvement. And to reiterate - I'm all for paying student loans and more financial transparency, at least until I understand the reasons why neither is happening currently. And then, I would want to see if one or both situation could be changed. | |
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Author: Ernie Koneck [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:37:43 02/05/14 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |