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Date Posted: Wed, Apr 21 2004, 21:17:33
Author: MKIceman
Subject: Re: (sighs)
In reply to: Heywood 's message, "(sighs)" on Wed, Apr 21 2004, 20:37:17

I don't mean to break into this little squabble, but, well, I do. ;)

>>You are a 99 on the loser fangirl scale. We use to
>>make fun of people like you, but now your ilk joins
>>GAFF.
>
>"Your ilk"? Replace the subject of your rant with
>"blacks", "Jews", "women", etc. and you have a copy of
>countless tirades over the years. Think about that
>one.

Personally, I've always disagreed with making fun of the author, and I was always a major proponent of that belief on both this and the InvisionFree boards. Make fun of the fanfic.

With that said, I do not see how you can use the prejudice argument in your favor unless you deny making fun of (and stereotyping) what you call "fangirls" yourself.

>Think about what you look like, and think about
>how it makes your arguments look. Or do you just want
>us to kneel down to you simply because you _might_
>(because you're too chicken to sign a name) have been
>here years ago and call you "master"?

This is a personal remark, and is irrelevant.

>>Enough already with the Freddy stuff too.
>
>Heaven forbid someone should have a fandom. Oh, wait.
> I'm talking to the person who's too cowardly to sign
>a name, even a fake one. (snorts)

I think GAFF might approve of making fun of fandoms in general (fans for a serial killer?), but we must wait until the new GAFF site is up to see any GAFF comment on that. In the meantime, I'll say that I find it disturbing that there are fans of criminals. In fact, that is how more serial killers -- especially copycats -- are born.

Regarding the name, I suppose we're all cowardly for using a false name when signing e-mails or posts (e.g., Heywood, MKIceman, etc.). Of course, I'd rather call that cautious, rather than cowardly.

>>People yes. Sycophants no. Heywood knows what he is
>>doing. Howard Stern went out and got a radio show.
>>Heywood took over a message board.
>
>It's funny how you seem to assume my thoughts and
>motivations. Or that I took over the board when there
>were something like 48,000 posts, almost all of which
>were not mine.

I don't know about this one. I won't comment on it since I have not seen substantial evidence to support the active takeover point.

>And for someone who doesn't seem to like that I was
>the subject of anything, you sure do like to bring me
>up a lot.

Indeed, Heywood, I am amused about this one, too! (But that statement is directed at other post authors, since this "anonymous" post seems to be the first from this author.)

>>A hangout for losers was not what GAFF was for.
>
>So because we do not fit your elitist ideal of what
>board members are supposed to be, we're losers? Or
>perhaps you consider us "uppity"? Come on, play out
>your whole view. Don't pussyfoot around. Come out
>and say it.

I'm not clear about this. How do either of you define a "loser"?

>>Get a life! Three words that should be used more
>>often.
>
>Says the one who seems to post nothing but about me...
>(snorts)

I think that's why we're all here reading or posting this: our real lives are too busy so we need procrastination, or we are too bored so we find this an entertaining diversion. Or some combination of the two.

>>I think plenty of people would offer to pay for a GAFF
>>server.
>
>I do not see you stepping up to the bat, nor any of
>your other "longtime GAFF fans". I see a few others
>who have joined the board recently, and a few that
>have been here for a moderate amount of time. None of
>your "venerable" group. None of the ones who jump on
>boards simply to bash.

Posting willingness to pay is not the same as actually paying, if that's what this is about. There are many GAFF fans willing to pay, and who have been willing for years. Of the latest batch of board members, we have already seen several GAFF fans post their willingness. Does this mean that the ones who posted are the only ones willing to pay? I hope not. But, then, I was never too sure of how many fans there are who don't post anything. I'm sure the board membership logs for the InvisionFree board might shed some light on that issue.

>So come on. You supposedly care _so much_ (that you
>bash those who threaten your ideal) that you should at
>least be willing to cough up _something_. Oh, wait, I
>forgot. You gave up long before I came in, otherwise
>you would have been a member on the IF board or posted
>on the Voyboard before that within the last year.

Do you mean money? Because The Site Guru repeatedly stated that no money should be paid, nor were payment details given.

>>But then with you and the Fanclub (tm), it’s
>>all about Heywood, isn’t it? Stop being sheep.
>
>Sheep implies I asked for followers, and that I lead
>them. Please cite.

To be semantic: sheep follow anything they feel like following. This statement does not imply you asked for followers, or not to me, at any rate. I will say that I don't believe you asked for followers, but, conversely, you did nothing to deflate their interests.

>>You still and the Fangirl Cult still don't get it.
>
>And you're still too cowardly and elitist to come
>forward. I left my email address in every possible
>place. I had contact information in every place.

First, calling the author cowardly and elitist is a personal remark and does not address the point made. The point was that Ayezur still believed that the GAFF board is the new GAFF, despite the e-mail from The Site Guru specifically stating that the board isn't the new GAFF in anyway. It's merely a ranting place.

Second, you did not leave your e-mail address or contact information in every possible place on this board. It's only in your first post. I did leave my e-mail address on every single post I made, yet you decided to post your misgivings to the board rather than contact me about it. That simple measure would have ensured that the public wouldn't have to deal with this spam. Unfortunately, it was left for all to see, so now we must discuss this out in the open, whether or not you like it.

>actually work on _solving_ what you percieve to be a
>problem. You just seem to like to bitch and whine a
>lot. You don't seem to want to actually contribute
>(by posting, donating, or even playing nicely with the
>group in any form), and you don't want to actually
>solve any problems, merely wangst about other posters.

I can't comment on this since we only have one post from this author from which to form conclusions. I prefer to reserve judgment until more evidence is found and substantiated.

>Come on, you chickenshit. Either put up or shut up.

Free-speech?

--Matt

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