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Date Posted: 21:39:01, Tue, Oct 11 2005
Author: PeterS
Subject: Gawd strewth!

Come on folks! Where are you all? I reckon we've got a maximum of about 20 people posting on here and most of those are contributing a couple of posts a week and no more.

The Craip is the Craip and fine for those that like that sort of thing. The Odd-shaped is virtually never there. Do we see a future for the Sunbury Centre or not? Let's at least try and get the volume up to where the old one was when it expired.

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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- JonnyC, 21:44:44, Tue, Oct 11 2005 [1]

Mister S. Why was the pub so empty after Sarries win?

Did their supporters realise their hollow victory and go home to sulk?


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- PeterS, 21:47:27, Tue, Oct 11 2005 [1]

I think they looked in and saw you , me and Steve there. I don't think I'd want to go in a pub with those sort of customers.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Shawshank, 22:11:33, Tue, Oct 11 2005 [1]

Peter, don't panic...

1. A few stragglers may still be out in snow-holes and not found us yet.

2. The season is in a quiet phase, with us losing in a pretty pointless competition. As it dosn't matter, no-one is getting angry at the losses, and thus there is very little "heat" about. Likewise, with no wins to feel good about, apathy rules.

3. Steve appears to have taken the Craic to heart, but I reckon it is only a temporary mid-life infatuation, and he will return to familiar surroundings he knows and loves.

4. It LOOKS like there are fewer messages than on the old SC because the threads do not show the individual postings. My analysis of the sites shows in fact that a Gaussian Distribution Curve average of 108.98765% above the median SC posting numbers for the last 67 years.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- PeterS, 22:18:56, Tue, Oct 11 2005 [1]

Thank God for you SS. You should be immediately appointed as Keeper of the Queen's Bollocks.


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[> [> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Victor Meldrew, 22:47:25, Tue, Oct 11 2005 [1]

Still don't understand, do you? Well, Cath did.

We (previously) regular posters got so p----d off with having our opinions rubbished by the vociferous posters on the SC that we have just decided that it was simply not worth contributing.

There is a small hardcore desperately trying to reclaim the board for the silent majority, but the rest of us are simply hacked off and have stopped visiting the board regularly.

And now I don't post anywhere, even miss LI away games (unheard of last season) simply because this board has dulled my appetite.

How to kill off a discussion board in a few weeks - stand up the guilty ones!


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Former regular, now lurking in hope, 23:00:39, Tue, Oct 11 2005 [1]

I am afraid that Victor is right.

What passes for wit in some circles is felt to be plain rude in others, so eventually the fun wears thinner and thinner.

Those given to put downs in the name of amusing repartee might choose to reflect on this. As might the purveyors of inane comments who like to take over otherwise interesting threads.


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[> [> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Gabriel, 23:36:22, Tue, Oct 11 2005 [1]

Well there we all sit now! Wondering whether we are one of those terrible people described above. What an incentive to post!
Another explanation, that probably occurred to more than one of you, is that the untimely demise of the SC has left a sour taste in some people's (or is it peoples' - where are the pedants when you need them) mouths. I am sure we would all get over it if we were not being constantly reminded.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 2:30:08, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

"What's it to be?" asks the Barmaid!
"Th th th thr thr three pi pi pi pi ..." says the Englishman. Up steps the Scotsman.
"Th th th th thr three pi pi pi pi ..."
Next up is the Irishman.
"Th th thr three pi pi pi pints of Gu gui, gui.."

Bugger this thinks the Barmaid & walks away to serve someone else. She returns ten minutes later & asks if they're ready to order yet.

"Th th th th three pi pi pi pi.." Englishman.
"Th th three pi pi pi pi pi.." Scotsman.
"Th th th th th three pi pi pints Gu gui gui.." says the Irishman.

"Look" says the barmaid, "If anyone of you can tell me where you live without stuttering, I'll take you upstairs & show you a good time!"

Englishman: "Man Man Man Man Man Manch.."
Barmaid: "No you lose!"
Scotsman: "E E E E E Ed Ed Ed Edi Edin.."
Barmaid: "No you lose!"
Barmaid to the Irishman: "And where do you live?"
Irishman: "London!"

"Bugger" says the Barmaid as a cheer goes around the Pub. She takes him by the hand & leads him upstairs. Once in the bedroom, they both strip & the Irishman jumps on the bed & goes for glory for about five minutes!

Then, right at the climax he screams out!

" .... D D D D D D D D D D D D Derry!"


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Another former regular, 7:31:42, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Yes, well, Kitty has summed it up beautifully for us.

I agree with Mr Meldrew. The reason why I (and many others that I am aware of) hardly visited, leave alone posted on the SC in its later days:

We got spectacularly pissed off at having our views and opinions, however sensibly expressed, rubbished by a small minority of self-appointed know-alls - some of them under rather infantile pseudonyms.

It became a "capital crime" to support any team, nation, sport, political party or way of life that did not meet with the approval of the Bormann & Himmler (or Beria & Stalin - let's not be biased) brigade. Most of the SC regulars (certainly the ones I know) got fed up with reasoned debate being hijacked - and being insulted for our pains.

As the lady said: let's look forward, not back.

Voy (for now) and any new Sunbury Centre that rises phoenix-like from the ashes, have a great chance of becoming similarly friendly, interesting places to be - not Kitty's front room, any more, as she has moved house. But a good place, even so, with iced cakes and buttered toasted muffins.

But only if the few solipsistic (look it up, shysters) bastards who ruined it for everyone else either clean up their acts or bugger off, preferably the latter. I hope the new Editors have the guts to ban you.

Meanwhile, I see the RFU are scaremongering again - unless they get their way in everything, England will have no chance of retaining the World Cup... Try changing the coach and much of the team - that'd be nearer your purpose...


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 7:33:58, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

yearrgh! I tried to edit my post and deleted it.

I'll post it again later otherwise nothing which came after makes sense.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Alec, 8:36:56, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Peter, I hope you appreciate the delicious irony of YOU exhorting others to support the Sunbury Centre.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- dom_pedro, 11:00:45, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Wish I'd seen Cath's post, but let's hope that a new home in the form of a new Sunbury Centre will allow old regulars to come back and new regulars to be found. We all want a friendly and interesting place to visit to talk about Irish, rugby and what have you, and we are all equally responsible for helping to build that place aren't we?


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 12:15:05, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Yes. Reponsibility. Now there's a word. Collective and INDIVIDUAL.

Still trying to remember my earlier posting but I have to earn a living here!


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 12:35:03, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Ok, here goes.

Sorry about the deletion. Felt on reflection that swearing was unneccessary, tried to remove offending word and failed.
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The gist of what I said is that it should be no surprise that there are so few posters here. Considering the way in which the SC went downhill so rapidly - despite pleas to respect others and realise when a "joke" isn't funny anymore - a considerable number of people were turned off enough to either go elsewhere or just not bother. That an observation is now being made about the dearth of posters on here strikes me as being rather bizarre as it's hardly as if I didn't make it clear on the SC. Just because the forum now says Voy rather than SC at the top, the same people are on here and the same sort of crap is already happening.

My advice to the new owners would be to go one step further than deleting offensive posts and actually ban the offending poster. It is a shame that there are some people who, despite repeatedly being told they're causing offence, think that they are somehow above such trivial considerations as respecting the sensibilities of others. If I was being charitable I'd put it down to stupidity, but it's little more than arrogance because they really think that their concerns as individuals are more important than those of the community as a whole. The concept of everyone having to put up with it whilst being bored senseless by catty, bitchy and clever clever postings isn't an easy one to accept. There wasn't much that could be done on the SC so we all suffered, but any new messageboard should easily be able to incorporate a button which says "ban this arsehole". And verily I say unto you - it should be pressed without hesitation.

As for the references to my house - I likened the SC to my home, albeit an online one. I don't tend to open my door to unwelcome visitors, and if they keep coming back and upsetting my guests, then I either move house, or bolt the doors for good and opt for invite only.

I remain, as ever, bored witless by this sort of thread, and am also bored by my own participation in it. It's been said so many times before.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- PeterS, 16:42:16, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Yet again it seems I’m to be cast in the role of villain of the piece. This is becoming rather tiresome and irritating.

Alec, I’d really be interested to know what your problem is. When Catherine said “enough is enough” on the SC I was only too pleased because I’d spent weeks fending off personal attacks from various cowardly, anonymous individuals with no intervention from the then Editor. However, when she issued her statement I actually posted in support of that. So please spare me the sort of comment that you’ve just posted.

I’ve supported the SC for several years and have never had a problem with anyone (apart from a famous spat with Adam at one time but we sorted that out over a beer years ago). I’ve enjoyed a long-running and fun battle with my old mate Shawshank which continues to this day with much respect on both sides. (Contradict me, Jack, and I’ll have to kill you)

The recent problem started, as I recall, with a massive sense of humour failure by the England cricket supporters when I dared to offer the opinion that perhaps the Ashes Series was not as important a sporting occasion as, say, a World Cup. Instead of reacting like Shawshank with a laugh, various individuals and one in particular started to harangue me with insults and slanders from the craven cover of their anonymity.

I absolutely refute the charge that I somehow, single-handedly brought the SC to a grinding halt. If that, indeed, is what Catherine seems to be implying in her latest post.

I can think of nothing more boring than a totally anodyne, sanitised message board where no on ever gets excited about anything in case a few feathers get ruffled so I sincerely hope that the new team will adopt a mature and balanced attitude to what sort of a board we want and with which we can all feel comfortable.

This is definitely my last posting on this subject. Let’s move on in a spirit of friendly cooperation. I don’t hold grudges and I hope that others feel the same.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 16:48:49, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

I think I may place a bet. I could win a fortune.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- PeterS, 16:52:44, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Sounds as though that might qualify as a catty remark!


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 17:07:47, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

I have never been a fan of preventing or banning anonymous postings, always seeing it as a sledgehammer to crack a nut, and I've always just trusted other people's good sense to filter immature stuff like this out.

But we have a specific problem at the moment that is clouding the proposed relaunch of the new Sunbury Centre - and so I think for the time being all anonymous postings should be removed.

People really should have the courage to say the kind of things they are saying to individual's faces, rather than misuing and abusing this messageboard, and creating a very sour and immature, playground atmosphere.


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[> [> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Shawshank, 17:46:39, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Well said Stevers.

I for one (ho ho!)have never been offended at anything said about me on here, and recognise that Peter is not being in the slightest bit serious when he posts about me. However, I reckon some of the anonymous and spiteful messages posted about Peter on the last site were totally OTT.

I also think if anyone has a problem with what anyone has said on the last SC or now on here then I think they should do us all a favour and actually come out with now in the open, get it all done and dusted,rather than make veiled accusations that leave everyone under a cloud of suspicion.

BTW, when did Victor Meldrew last post on the old SC? Must have been at least 2 years ago.

BBTW, when we get our new home we should definately have smilies - without them a message intended as funny can come across in the wrong way.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- dom_pedro, 17:25:16, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

In what will probably be seen as an inane attempt to put an end to this sort of crap on the messageboard, I'd like to wager that virtually everyone who reads this thread from now on will at some point in the next day or so attempt to lick their own elbow (you probably won't try it immediately).

It is of course impossible to lick your own elbow so I wouldn't bother trying ... move along now there's nothing to see here!


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Ken E, 19:41:16, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Well, here's another view.

I actually subscribe to a numnber of the views above but visiting the old SC was also a bit like going into a pub where there were a number of drunks in the corner arguing, loudly.

They may think it is all a bit of fun, nothing serious, but it would certainly drive me away - in fact it did.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Loobs, 20:14:47, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Come out, come out whoever you are, anonymous posters. Roll on registration.

I applaud the efforts of whoever it is that is planning the revival of the SC, however, now the old place has been laid to rest, perhaps the personal spats should also be left there folks??

To the anonymous posters, are ye that easily put off yer beer? Allowing a web site to degenerate into a small cliquey club by desertion and then coming on to bemoan the fact in a hidden fashion is a wee bit sad. Still, I guess that we know how Gary Gold felt last season eh? I guess that ye'll never post on the Daily Sport site then as the level of abuse would have ye all crying.

Steve, I wholeheartedly that anonymous postings should be deleted. I suppose at least they were coherent postings and didn't aim to attack anyone personally.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 20:49:55, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Glad I put that bet on. I've just won a fortune.

Last posts on the topic anyone?


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- upandunder, 20:50:11, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Don't be so damning to us Loobs.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- upandunder, 20:55:31, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Catherine,I took your earlier advice and I, actually have won a fortune!

Many thanks.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Loobs, 21:25:47, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

upandunder, feck off!

Yee haaa, I've just managed to lick my elbow!


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 21:33:25, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Yours probably wasn't as much of a dead cert as mine, though. Nothing could be, in fact.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 22:00:56, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Ken, well done for at least having the courage to post under your own name. As for describing the Sunbury regulars as a bunch of drunks, cheers! *hic*

I'll never understand why people simply can't ignore posts they don't like and rather than flouncing off, just move on to posting the kind of stuff they like, but live and live would all be a bit too simple, eh?

Loobs, well said. But I believe the disgruntled anonymous may be many in psydonyms but I think they are few in people, so I don't anticipate a huge problem for the new site editors.

Good luck to them - this website I think has some positive and exciting times ahead of it *thumbs-up*


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- dom_pedro, 22:04:38, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

OK, so no anonymous posting, no snide remarks and definitely no licking your elbows ... alright so you can't do that anyway and that is a dead cert.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- username, 22:19:41, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Excuse me Loobs but one point you seem to have missed here is that registration will most certainly create the cliquey club you seek to avoid. Since you keep mentioning the Daily Sport site (yeah you love it really don't you, all that swearing and tits?) then you will no doubt have noticed that there is no pre-requisite to register and so people can say what the feck they want.

The silliness that happened on the SC was a direct result of posters saying things with personal knowledge of other posters, thus objectivity was lost. And it was cliquey already Loobs before anyone "deserted" as you put it. I posted there for a while and gave up having been patronised too many times. The only real alternative was the craip site (let's face it the offy place is a morgue). Trouble there was that instead of being ignored you got the message board coppers on your case.

Now you can of course just treat this posting as being irrelevant on the grounds that you don't know me. I'm sure many will, but I would suggest that you don't spend too much time wondering who I am and instead listen to WHAT I say.

And you can say what you want about the Odd place, but at least you can say what you want and are welcomed and listened to and no-one gives a tuppeny toss who you are, or what your IP address is....... and doesn't want to know either...ever ever ever. And there is no personal abuse there Loobs, but plenty of piss taking banter you creep !!

I can't lick my elbow by the way, how did you do it?

[smiley happy face] [laughing smiley] [spam deleted]


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- PeterS, 22:35:11, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

He cut his arm off at the shoulder. A touch drastic perhaps but that's Loobs for you. He stops at nothing.

Catherine don't be so juvenile. You know damn well that when I said it was "my last posting on the subject" I was referring to the subject of the malicious finger pointing and the blaming of me for all the troubles in the world and not necessarily that it was my last posting in this thread


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 23:23:13, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

That's very true, Uselessname. But I'm not telling you which bits are the true ones. It's now down to you to work out which bits I think are untrue and likely to be figments of your imagination. That'll keep you quiet.

Steve, yeah, too right. But flouncing can be quite elegant if you wear a nice frock and the right kind of heels. What I can't stand is when people send me emails and tell me they're never going to post on the SC again, and then go ahead and carry on doing so. But at least I can filter my emails and put junk where it belongs. (Conversely, I suppose, you could say that people who say they WILL post on the SC and never do so are just as bad. But how many of you crazy fools have done such a thing, eh?)

Filtering and de-junking a thread isn't quite the same, Smithsky. If you start reading something interesting and then some loon comes in and ruins it, it's more annoying than if someone had just started a crap thread. You can avoid crap threads, but it's hard to avoid crap in the middle of a good thread, if y'see what I mean.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 23:44:38, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

"Filtering and de-junking a thread isn't quite the same, Smithsky. If you start reading something interesting and then some loon comes in and ruins it, it's more annoying than if someone had just started a crap thread. You can avoid crap threads, but it's hard to avoid crap in the middle of a good thread, if y'see what I mean."

Yeah, you said it, "annoying". But that's all - it's not that important. To be annoyed by something is part of every day life, it's part of being an adult in an adult world. It should not produce a desire to go out and take some kind of vengeance or retribution on the object that has "annoyed" you. Chill out Sweeney-pops! It's only a messageboard, not real life.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 23:56:31, Wed, Oct 12 2005 [1]

Oy! I wasn't talking about me, you loon. if someone posts about something to do with their hair do in the middle of a thread about rugby, it doesn't make ME want to take retribution on them! I was making a GENERAL point about things which irritate posters in GENERAL. Sure, it irritates me in particular too, but I just scroll through it (that's the beauty of flat views so beloved of Gabriel!).

If I sought to wreak revenge on every poster who'd said something annoying on a messageboard, you'd have been first on my list for a good slap. Have I ever slapped you?

Precisely. I rest my case.

So stop being annoying or I'll slap you.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- OxonRob, 0:03:34, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

The point you seem to be missing, Herr Smith, is that if you get annoyed or bored too frequently you cease to visit, and once that happens to enough people the MB in question withers away.

The same thing happens if you get abused, but let's not go there... Dom, where are the smileys? I want smileys, NOW!


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 3:22:42, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Interesting your last point Rob - maybe the SC messageboard ain't so bad after all compared to others, eh? ;)

"If you get bored or annoyed too frequently, then you cease to visit". It's all about tolerance, Rob. If an individual is so repelled by the freely-stated opinions of others, then maybe opinion boards are not a good pass-time for that individual.

As to the question of the messageboard withering away, it's interesting isn't it, that the blame is placed on hardy souls that stay and contribute, rather than the few thin-skinned flouncers who bugger off and contribute nothing except whingeing and finger-pointing.

Cath, slap away - get it out of your system, dearie :) But I trust we agree that a sense of proportion is the one vital ingredient every messageboarder needs ;)


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Loobs, 6:47:33, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

upandunder, the Craic (let's call it by it's proper name for a start, I've never seen anybody on there refer to this site by anything other than it's proper name) introduced registration ages ago but there is still a broad diversity of posters and registered users. I dispute your argument, sir.

Ok, I'll do the same with the Orderoftheoddshapedball, on second thoughts, maybe the DS is better ;-)

It is certainly diferent, irreverent, immature are some descriptions I've had used, but a really good writer in Master Scribe will get people looking at the site. This, in addition to the heavy promotion through the stickers, the Guinness sponsored shirts, etc.

It is certainly not everybody's cup of tea and probably due to the fact that the main protagonists are anonymous to a certain extent (it is still a bit cliquey over there, though!) that will make it easier for people to take it or leave it. Having been involved on the ground with the Craic, I speak from a certain amount of experience.

Now, once you've made yourselves known on the Parma or other away trips, that will change and as the site matures, personalities will become known. It is almost inevitable given the aforementioned site marketing. Like any part of life, there will be people who get on and those who don't, in this case, there is a common ground of London Irish Rugby. But that is as far as it goes in a huge amount of cases.

I'm in the Steve camp, (shite, that's almost as bad as agreeing with JoeV)it really isn't that important, it isn't life or death on these web sites, although you would think that at times.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- OxonRob, 7:41:30, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

STOP!

Deep breath all round.

What's to debate?

It's all very well going on about thin skins and how you personally ignore this, ride over that and have never been offended, but it is all irrelevant.

Message Boards, of their nature are supposed to be fun, entertaining, pleasant or instructive to visit. We come here for pleasure, not from a sense of duty.

Rationalise all you like, but once someone ceases to enjoy it, they'll stop visiting. And that is what has happened.

If you want them to come back, and thereby to supply an audience, you have to listen to them, not to the thicker skinned, tough as biltong left-overs.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- username, 8:10:44, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

dead right OxonRob.

I'll never be upandunder by the way Loobs, but I'll be happy to set him on you

[smiley of paranoid snarling spam free wild animal]


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Alec - With weary resignation, 8:25:42, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

I'm posting this under my own name, so that you can all have a pop at me. I'm a masochist, you see.

If this is the Brave New World of the Sunbury Centre, people will stay away in their thousands. As long as none of the Obergruppenfuhrers have ever felt offended, we're all happy! Because they say so! Way-HAYYYY...! Try looking at someone else's point of view for a nanosecond, if you're capable of it. Then look at yourselves in the mirror - do you like the view?

On those terms, don't bother with the new site, as it will have all of the bad aspects and few of the good aspects of the previous site's death throes. "Live & let live" is all very well, but only if you people want be bothered to play the game.

And by the way, people LIKE anonymity - it makes it less easy for the thought police to get personal when they rubbish opposing views. Well done for making it so that people feel they can't voice their opinions any more.

Toodle pip, old beans - I won't be back. Doubt you'll miss me anyway. Have a good sneer - it's about the only thing you're good at, after all.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 8:30:37, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Yup. Hardy souls will still contribute. Over 50 at least in the old days has now been whittled down to about 4. Yourself, P, Shawshank, and me. Rob and Loobs are occasionally posting, Alec very occasionally, and Dom_Pedro to maintain a sense of perspective.

Can't believe that only 4 and a couple more ex SC'ers have thick skins. Must be something else keeping them away.

In my case I can see exactly the same problems arising already.

And then there were 3.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Loobs, 8:46:53, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Who's sneering? The simple fact is that if the same people post, with the same opinions/grievances/issues/whatever, it doesn't matter where on th'internet it is, it will be the same old, same old drunks in the corner as Ken put it.


I think I'm going to flounce too now, I didn't like the view in my mirror this morning. Bloody women in 4x4's (it was my rear view mirror ;-) )


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Shawshank, 9:03:11, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

I reckon in 3 months' time everyone will be thinking back trying to remember what all the fussing and flouncing was about!

Remember Popegate...? (winky smilie face)


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 9:50:02, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

What do you think is keeping people away then Cath?


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Wrong, Shawshank !, 10:01:40, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

"Everyone" won't include former regulars of the Sunbury Centre. They have voted with their feet and you aint doing nuthin much to woo 'em back, are you, Shankers, old fruit?

Don't call it The Sunbury Centre when you open for business. Because it won't be. Don't try to pretend it will. "The Self-Centre", mebbe?

You, Smith & Sullivan can navel-gaze and name-call to your hearts' contents. At least you won't offend each other.

But it could be rather lonely & monotonous after a bit.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 10:06:28, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

What I think is keeping people away is what's already been mentioned upthread.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 10:07:35, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Ahhh....and here come the anonymous heroes again, making the world safe for the right-thinking silent majority, bless 'em - you're the target now Shawshank, quite a feather in your cap, eh? :)


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[> [> Re: Gawd strewth! -- JonnyC, 10:48:19, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Speaking as a pub psychologist, I can see in your messages that all of you really love each other and want to make things better.

It just needs one person to step over and kiss someone on the cheek.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 10:13:55, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

State it plainly Cath, this Obergruppenfuhrer is being a bit slow today. Who or what is keeping people away from this board?


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Shawshank, 10:23:11, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

For those people who claim to be bored by this board, and the latter stages of its predecessor, it seems a little odd that they should be reading the board so avidly and contributing such detailed messages! (BIG WINKY SMILIE)


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 10:27:05, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Nothing like a good blood-letting to get the viewing figures up though :)


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- username, 10:49:07, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

You're having a larf aint you shawshank? This punch up is better than the rumble in the jungle. After years of watching you lot over trumping each other in spades this is feckin brilliant, I'll just be sorry when it's over !

[smiley laughing my bleedin head off]


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 10:53:55, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Do you want me to cut and paste all the posts above into one big post, cos effectively that's what i'd be doing in order to answer your question.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- PaulHP, 11:51:43, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Ahad must be pi***ng himself laughing at this thread!

Lets just blame everyone else and get on with it.;)


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- OddShapedBall, 12:17:46, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

I blame you, Paul.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- PeterS, 12:22:40, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

I'll repeat what I said about 40 postings further up this very long thread. "Let's move on in a spirit of friendly cooperation. I don't hold grudges and I hope that others feel the same."

Despite evidence to the contrary, I'm sure that everyone would like to restore the Sunbury Centre to how it was a couple of years ago. I'm happy to offer the hand of friendship to any who post on here; whether we've rowed in the past or not.

Please let's just stop and think. This thread started with a call for a bit of solidarity.. This was immediately leapt upon and derided. I think there are lots of bruised egos floating around but it doesn't take too much of an effort to draw a line under the past, take a deep breath and start again.

If this board is to succeed, a lot of people have to do as I've done and swallow their pride. I said above that I totally refute the charge of single-handedly destroying this board. Of course I do; the very idea is ridiculous. But I am prepared to say that, yes, I was involved in the unpleasantness towards the end. I was not alone. A lot of people, mainly anonymous, were part and parcel of the whole thing.

Come on, let's acknowledge the past and move on to a much better future. (Or will I now be hit with another barrage of invective from those who really should know better?)


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 12:45:44, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Peter, you ARSE. Of course you aren't to blame for single-handedly destroying the board, I AM.

SAKE, you were last week's scapegoat, I'm the CURRENT one. Now stop stealing my thunder or I'll assail you with another barrage of invective!

NOW Seriously though, the anonymous posters and their mother hen Cath seem to have a cast of villains that brought down the Sunbury Centre that includes Peter, me and possibly Shawshank (although I think his name was only thrown in at the last moment because he's laughing too much).

Now anonymous friends. Think on this - none of these villains is going to take charge of the new Sunbury Centre, there will be a management team of two or three COMPLETELY DIFFERENT people to guide the bright, new future. Two or three names that happily haven't been fingered in any of this entertaining blame-game.

So this begs the question. Why not have a bit of trust and faith in this new team and let them get on with their work? If you perceive problems in the past functioning of the SC, why not trust them to be strong and capable enough to sort them out and stop them arising again?

I place on record my complete confidence in the new management team of the Sunbury Centre to take us forward. I hope others on here will second that motion.

Or if you want, let's have some more backbiting - we need to bring some more light into the life of that evil scoundrel Username :)

Friends, the choice is yours :)


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- username, 13:42:11, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

aw shucks, I think I love you Cath

[heart shaped smiley]


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 13:57:15, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Username is a great source of entertainment tinged with gothic post modernism and, for that, he deserves to be kept amused.

Steve, you've just come up with a throw away comment about me which I would like you to explain. How can I be mother hen to the anonymous posters? I don't control them or know who they are unless I choose to look at the admin board, which I can't be arsed to do otherwise I'd be there all bloody day. I don't get a load of emails from LI supporters each morning saying "Hey there CluckyLady, who can we pretend to be today, we really fancy slagging someone off. Organise us, please, for we are your willing chickslaves and need you to egg us on to further extremes".

I've also made a point of posting under my own name on this thread. If there IS a Chicken Gang out there, I didn't hatch them and I take issue with the suggestion that I'm at the head of some kind of feathered posse that I have enlisted to do - what, exactly?

Extract any personal issues I have with a member of this thread and what are you left with? Exactly the same issues that other people have and which have been described perfectly adequately before. It really isn't anything more sinister than that. If people choose to post anonymously, then that's up to them. I don't have magic powers which can stop people logging on and writing stuff. I only wish I did.

I recall a new guy posting on here (well, the old SC) a while back - can't remember his name - asking a relatively stupid question if you'd been going to the Madstad regularly, but a reasonable one considering he'd just started supporting the club. He was treated with utter contempt and unsurprisingly he buggered off. You don't have to do a Craic Special on people and ask them to describe their record collection and their favourite fart by way of welcome, but a bit of civility wouldn't have gone amiss. And yeah, I should have said something, but didn't and that was poor site admining on my part.

"Oh, calm down, Cath, it isn't life or death. You really need to get out more. Women and their hormones, eh. Who rattled your cage this morning. Try posting on the Millwall site and then you're really see the meaning of thick skinned"

And so on and so forth.

(That ok, Username?)


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 14:03:12, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

*blush*

*flutter*

How about we set up our own website?

You can be Mr Cockerel (steady there) and I'll be Mrs Hen and together we can rear malevolent chickens and bring chaos to the universe.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- username, 14:28:03, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Spot on Mrs Hen, no ambiguity there at all.

PS won't be home for dinner tonight dear, got a "do" on in town.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 17:04:46, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

"I recall a new guy posting on here (well, the old SC) a while back - can't remember his name - asking a relatively stupid question if you'd been going to the Madstad regularly, but a reasonable one considering he'd just started supporting the club. He was treated with utter contempt and unsurprisingly he buggered off."

The guy who asked me about the Madjet? Yeah, that was Paul, the reason why he asked me that question is that he's an old drinking pal of mine from the foreign jaunts. If you want, I'll introduce you next time we're at a game (might have to be an away one as he's not fond of the Madjet) and you can ask him if I mortally offended him. ;)

Any more Cath? Keep 'em coming.

In the meantime, I'll nip out, wax my moustache and put on my dark cloak as I REALLY want to get into this role of PANTOMIME VILLAIN.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 18:16:28, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

The question wasn't about the Madstad, it was about the team. "To those familiar with the Madstad" was a figure of speech and could just as well have been "to those familiar with the team/LI/players/club/Sunbury" etc. He asked a question about a player and, to be honest, I don't actually think YOU ridiculed him, so maybe you're just not that nasty, eh?

Any more paranoia, Steve? Keep it coming.

In the meantime I'll nip out, wax my chicken outfit and put on my feather headdress as I REALLY want to get into this role of PANTOMIME HEN DOMINATRIX.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 18:27:17, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

My apologies - I'd assumed it had to be Paul you were talking about. He is someone who posted since virtually day one on the SC but you welcomed him last year as a new poster :)


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 18:51:05, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

I remember a Paul from early days - he didn't send me his views on the very first Golden Quin (or shitter as it was known then) did he? I remember someone called Paul commending my choice of John Hall, then of Newcastle, at the time. in those days it was just me, Cormac and this Paul fellow.

Ah well, my mistake for welcoming him as a new poster. At least I welcomed him, so that's alright, then.

Anyway, why assume as a first recourse that I was having a dig at you earlier as regards messageboard etiquette? Indeed, I remember getting a right kicking for having a row with someone about my use of the Wurzels to illustrate a Bath match. I was virtually accused of racism as I recall, although maybe the objection wasn't meant to come across that way at the time, but that's how it did come across. I wasn't particularly friendly in my response and I'm not sure if the poster ever came back. Maybe he did, and if he did, I apologise in retrospect for being so arsey to him, whoever he was.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 19:01:57, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

This really is turning into the Sunbury Centre Truth and Reconcilation Commission. Can't we get Username back to stir things up again?

By the way, you and Username fawning over each other is vomit-inducing. Do it again and I'm booking the pair of you a hotel room.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 19:04:34, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

A coop will suffice.

Can we bump this thread up to 100 in stark contrast to JonnyC's posting about a new signing which so far has 2 responses?

Would just about sum it up.

Bitching - 100
Rugby - 2.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- SteveS, 20:19:36, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Clucking hell, Hen, I started a rugby thread two hours ago! I thought you wimmin could multi-task? Happily, I'm in touch with my feminine side that allows me to both chat rugby and bitch :)


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 20:55:12, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Yo!


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- OddShapedBall, 21:13:37, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Group hug people.


Then again, maybe not.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Catherine, 22:16:56, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

I think not.

And stop spamming.


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- OddShapedBall, 22:35:28, Thu, Oct 13 2005 [1]

Bah, humbug!


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Ken E, 21:44:45, Fri, Oct 14 2005 [1]

OK, I'm back again.

Don't think that I hang on every word on this board or even this thread. I've been watching Tigers vs Falcons and it is a serious advert for soccer, so I'm bored with it.

But you guys must be having a laff, surely?

Those of you that know me will remember that I spent two rewarding years as membership secretary of the LISC. OK, maybe I was crap at it (and Mr Madigan is doing a much better job at it than I was able to do) but if anyone was going to know people, surely it was me?

Yet I have absolutely no idea who Shawshank is, who Dom Pedro is, who "oddshapedball" is. And I know just a little about PeterS, but not sure I would recognise him, or he would recognise me.

And althgough I know who SteveS is (and OxonRob, and Alec, and Loobs), SteveS clearly doesn't have a clue who I really am - he thought I was a Reading4 man yet in truth I started standing on the bank at Sunbury as long ago as 1990!

So what the f-ck is this all about deleting anonmous posters? Anonymous to whom?

You are in serious danger of creating a members-only club, with the four members that Cath knows post here blackballing anyone they don't know.

And yes, that was how the SC was becoming - either you were in (got the jokes (term used very loosely!), and knew that the slagging off wasn't real) or you weren't.

No doubt there will some comments that I am again posting under my "real" name. Eh? I spent three years posting as Pete Sake for Pete's sake! But all I am trying to do is give my opinion on what needs to change for an old SC-like board to rise from the wreckage of the SC.

The last remaining posters on the SC wrecked it - they managed to drive everyone else away and until they accept it the same will happen again.


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[> [> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Pete Sake, 22:39:23, Fri, Oct 14 2005 [1]

That would be last word Regan Carter, would it?

Another fecking anonymous poster.....


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Regan_Carter, 22:28:41, Fri, Oct 14 2005 [1]

Much preferred Pete Sake. What sort of name is Ken E?


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- Regan_Carter, 22:45:31, Fri, Oct 14 2005 [1]

Shutit!


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- passer by, 11:30:35, Sun, Oct 16 2005 [1]

Just slogged through this thread and found a small covey of diehard SC contributors solemnly swearing that they will turn over a new leaf and cease to be unwelcoming, hold no grudges and so forth.

Sadly, the last few postings revert to type. The knowing nudges between the select few, the spiky comments, the righteous indignation. All the stuff, in fact, that put so many people off visiting (let alone contributing to) the SC. Catherine, Ken E and Pete Sake excepted :-)


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[> Re: Gawd strewth! -- JamesC, 16:35:18, Sun, Oct 16 2005 [1]

One need's the patience of a Saint for all this - took at least 10 minutes of injury time to read it all ! The problem is that email or message boards are a rather imprecise form of communication and not everyone uses them in the same way although we all might like to think they should.


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