But also you have to think of it in terms of them trying to select what they think MAO wants. Last year at MAO the top 10 was some terrible and boring talents but some super smart and well spoken girls. That’s what they made it seem like 2.0 wanted, even though they emphasized talent. I know everyone watched Miss America and scratched their heads thinking where is the talent? Maybe that’s what they thought MAO wanted and the board charged the judges with picking what would do well at MAO, so that’s what they went with based on what they saw. I get that it’s frustrating and hard to understand, but it’s just a pageant, it’s not the end of the world, and it’s not worth stressing over. You either participate in it or you don’t if you don’t want to. There are plenty of other things for you to do with your time if you can’t make sense of this. Either way, it has happened, and it’s time to move on and find something new to worry about. -- SOUTH CAROLINA MAO - PLEASE NO BANNERS

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Subject: But also you have to think of it in terms of them trying to select what they think MAO wants. Last year at MAO the top 10 was some terrible and boring talents but some super smart and well spoken girls. That’s what they made it seem like 2.0 wanted, even though they emphasized talent. I know everyone watched Miss America and scratched their heads thinking where is the talent? Maybe that’s what they thought MAO wanted and the board charged the judges with picking what would do well at MAO, so that’s what they went with based on what they saw. I get that it’s frustrating and hard to understand, but it’s just a pageant, it’s not the end of the world, and it’s not worth stressing over. You either participate in it or you don’t if you don’t want to. There are plenty of other things for you to do with your time if you can’t make sense of this. Either way, it has happened, and it’s time to move on and find something new to worry about.

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Date Posted: Sunday, July 21, 11:39:39pm
In reply to: 's message, "Re: I find it easy for MSCO and others to shift the blame on the judges and/or the MAO scoring system but if SC Board were the ones who charged the judges and the judges gave them what they wanted, then the judges were wrong to not send the best candidate to compete in ALL phases of competition, BUT ULTIMATELY it's MSCO that is at fault!" on Sunday, July 21, 09:39:49pm

>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>highest
>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges. Example:
>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5 total
>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>
>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>
>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>1
>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops her
>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>
>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>prelim
>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>consistent
>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is 25%
>>>of the score.
>>>
>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>the
>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>winner
>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them huge
>>>ratings)
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>girl
>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>based
>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>
>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>score
>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1 would
>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>in
>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>
>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total final
>>>score 250
>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>score 225.5
>>>
>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>5
>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can come
>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying consistent
>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes to
>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>and
>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>thought.
>>>
>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>most
>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on a
>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has for
>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most ad
>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>miracle maker.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: NOT SO!!! When MA was transitioning last year majority of the girls, including Davia, was scored under the old MA scoring system, during state competition because majority competed in swimsuit that won for their state. So, not seeing really good talent last year it's surprising. And to imply SUPER smart, there were a variety of education backgrounds, including the current MA being a music major. MSCO is again isn't concern about MSC winning MA, they're concern is the "BEST" in their eyes, as a state representative

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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 10:02:09am

>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>highest
>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>Example:
>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG and
>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25% 10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>total
>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>
>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If girl
>>1
>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the top
>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>her
>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>
>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>prelim
>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>consistent
>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant when
>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>25%
>>>>of the score.
>>>>
>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>the
>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>winner
>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the 4
>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>huge
>>>>ratings)
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>girl
>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>based
>>>>on assigned composite score before final competition
>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the competition
>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and your
>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>
>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>score
>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will need
>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not likely
>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>would
>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>in
>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>final
>>>>score 250
>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>score 225.5
>>>>
>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2 fell
>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>given a final question that is not scored but viewed
>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot. Judges
>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points to
>>5
>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel is
>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split among
>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>come
>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>consistent
>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>to
>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>and
>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>thought.
>>>>
>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>most
>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are given
>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>a
>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>for
>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner in
>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>ad
>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>miracle maker.

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[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: You're correct it is just a pageant! However, the concern of many is emphasis on "Legitimate and Fair Pageant" While others such as yourself, continues to make excuses for the results, the majority is wanting transparency. AGAIN, to ask others to move on, as if they don't have eyes or ears is even more ignorance than your POSSIBLE excuse for the outcome. So can the majority of us assume the Morgan Nichols was your pick from the onset?

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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 10:21:09am

[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: You say majority yet you’re hiding behind a board without posting your name, and y’alls stupid petition surely didn’t get any signatures or you’d be sharing it all over. If it was a majority you’d actually hear a majority of people speaking up. Instead, it’s clear from the IP addresses that it’s the same 3 people complaining about everything, and guess what? We can track where you’re located so we can easily find out who you are. But nobody cares enough to do that because you are in the minority of people who are still whining about this dang pageant. It’s not like it’s the presidential election or something that actually matters. And no Morgan was not my pick from the onset, but after getting to speak with her I can see very clearly why they liked her, and it became less surprising to me why she won.

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Date Posted: Monday, July 22, 11:31:44pm

>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3 below
>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>highest
>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>Example:
>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>and
>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>total
>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>
>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>girl
>>>1
>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent, it
>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>top
>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>her
>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200 point
>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>
>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from each
>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>prelim
>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>consistent
>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>when
>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in this
>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>25%
>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>
>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is possible
>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher in
>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>>the
>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>winner
>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the
>4
>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>huge
>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>girl
>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>based
>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>competition
>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>competition
>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and he
>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically you
>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite scoring
>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>your
>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>
>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>score
>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>need
>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or anyone
>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>likely
>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>would
>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl 1
>>>in
>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>final
>>>>>score 250
>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total final
>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>
>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>fell
>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls are
>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>viewed
>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>Judges
>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>to
>>>5
>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>is
>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss SC.
>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>among
>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>come
>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>consistent
>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>>to
>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>>and
>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>thought.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>most
>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>given
>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect on
>>a
>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>for
>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle Maker.
>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays a
>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>in
>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>>ad
>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5 for
>>>>>miracle maker.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Okay.

Author:
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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 07:35:28am

>>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3
>below
>>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>>highest
>>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>>Example:
>>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>>and
>>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>>total
>>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27 EG
>>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>>girl
>>>>1
>>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent,
>it
>>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>>top
>>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>>her
>>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200
>point
>>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from
>each
>>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>>prelim
>>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>>consistent
>>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>>when
>>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in
>this
>>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>>25%
>>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is
>possible
>>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher
>in
>>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3 of
>>>>the
>>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>>winner
>>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of the
>>4
>>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>>huge
>>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2 composite
>>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>>girl
>>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>>based
>>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>>competition
>>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>>competition
>>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and
>he
>>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically
>you
>>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then you
>>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite
>scoring
>>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>>your
>>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>>score
>>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>>need
>>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or
>anyone
>>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>>likely
>>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>>would
>>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl
>1
>>>>in
>>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are placed
>>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>>final
>>>>>>score 250
>>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total
>final
>>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>>fell
>>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased to
>>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls
>are
>>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>>viewed
>>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>>Judges
>>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>>to
>>>>5
>>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>>is
>>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss
>SC.
>>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>>among
>>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>>come
>>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>>consistent
>>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges are
>>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it comes
>>>to
>>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post here
>>>>and
>>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to play
>>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>>thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>>most
>>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen by
>>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>>given
>>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect
>on
>>>a
>>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>>for
>>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle
>Maker.
>>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays
>a
>>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>>in
>>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the most
>>>ad
>>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5
>for
>>>>>>miracle maker.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Okay.

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Date Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 10:19:17am

>>>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3
>>below
>>>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>>>highest
>>>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>>>Example:
>>>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>>>and
>>>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>>>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>>>total
>>>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview 6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27
>EG
>>>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>>>girl
>>>>>1
>>>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent,
>>it
>>>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>>>top
>>>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent drops
>>>>her
>>>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200
>>point
>>>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these prelim
>>>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from
>>each
>>>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>>>prelim
>>>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>>>consistent
>>>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>>>when
>>>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in
>>this
>>>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite is
>>>>25%
>>>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is
>>possible
>>>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher
>>in
>>>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3
>of
>>>>>the
>>>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>>>winner
>>>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of
>the
>>>4
>>>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>>>huge
>>>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2
>composite
>>>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less than
>>>>>girl
>>>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>>>based
>>>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>>>competition
>>>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>>>competition
>>>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and
>>he
>>>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically
>>you
>>>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then
>you
>>>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite
>>scoring
>>>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>>>your
>>>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>>>score
>>>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>>>need
>>>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or
>>anyone
>>>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>>>likely
>>>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>>>would
>>>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like girl
>>1
>>>>>in
>>>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post one
>>>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are
>placed
>>>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and 10
>>>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>>>final
>>>>>>>score 250
>>>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total
>>final
>>>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>>>fell
>>>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased
>to
>>>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls
>>are
>>>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>>>viewed
>>>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>>>Judges
>>>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10 points
>>>to
>>>>>5
>>>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they feel
>>>is
>>>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss
>>SC.
>>>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>>>among
>>>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>>>come
>>>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>>>consistent
>>>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges
>are
>>>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it
>comes
>>>>to
>>>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post
>here
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to
>play
>>>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>>>thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC and
>>>>>most
>>>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen
>by
>>>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>>>given
>>>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect
>>on
>>>>a
>>>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis has
>>>>for
>>>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle
>>Maker.
>>>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising plays
>>a
>>>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss winner
>>>in
>>>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the
>most
>>>>ad
>>>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5
>>for
>>>>>>>miracle maker.

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Date Posted: Thursday, August 08, 09:58:47am

>>>>>>>>Judges are charged to score as follows: 1,2,3
>>>below
>>>>>>>>average 4,5,6 average, above average 7,8,9,
>>>>>>>>outstanding 10. Prelim scores precentages with
>>>>>>highest
>>>>>>>>and lowest dropped from a panel of 5 judges.
>>>>>Example:
>>>>>>>>girl with strong interview&OSI getting 2nd in EG
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>weak/averg talent--interview 25%
>>>>10+10+10=30×2.0=60
>>>>>>>>Talent 50% 5+5+5=15×5.0=75 OSI 15%
>>>>>>>>10+10+10=30×1.5=45 EG 15% 10+10+9=29×1.5=43.5
>>>>>total
>>>>>>>>prelim points=223.5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Girl with average interview OSI & EG but strong
>>>>>>>>talent/prelim winner---interview
>6+6+6=18×2.0=36
>>>>>>>>Talent 10+10+9=29×5.0=145 OSI 6+6+6=18×1.5=27
>>EG
>>>>>>>>6+6+6=18×1.5=27 total prelim points=235
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is only one of many possible scenarios. If
>>>>girl
>>>>>>1
>>>>>>>>was scored below average (1,2,3) for her talent,
>>>it
>>>>>>>>would be extremely difficult for her to make the
>>>>top
>>>>>>>>15 out of 50+ contestants. Threes in talent
>drops
>>>>>her
>>>>>>>>score by 30 points bringing her below the 200
>>>point
>>>>>>>>mark (60+45+45+43.5=193.5)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Please note once you make the top 15 these
>prelim
>>>>>>>>numbers are deleted and a composite score from
>>>each
>>>>>>>>judge based on how that judge sees your overall
>>>>>>prelim
>>>>>>>>performance is given. The judge should stay
>>>>>>consistent
>>>>>>>>with their scoring and not elevate a contestant
>>>>when
>>>>>>>>assigning this score. Discussion is allowed in
>>>this
>>>>>>>>meeting. Executive board is present. Composite
>is
>>>>>25%
>>>>>>>>of the score.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So both contestants make the top 15. It is
>>>possible
>>>>>>>>for judges to score girl with weak talent higher
>>>in
>>>>>>>>composite because they felt she was strong in 3
>>of
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>4 categories. As it is to score a talent prelim
>>>>>>winner
>>>>>>>>lower because of being seen as average in 3 of
>>the
>>>>4
>>>>>>>>categories. (If MAO wanted a reality TV show,
>>>>>>>>recording and airing this meeting would get them
>>>>>huge
>>>>>>>>ratings)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 9+9+8=26×2.5=65 girl 2
>>composite
>>>>>>>>7+7+6=20×2.5=50 though girl one scored less
>than
>>>>>>girl
>>>>>>>>2 in prelim she is now 15 points ahead of girl 2
>>>>>>based
>>>>>>>>on assigned composite score before final
>>>>competition
>>>>>>>>even starts. This is why so many say the
>>>>competition
>>>>>>>>is won in interview. The judge falls in love and
>>>he
>>>>>>>>gives you a pass on your poor talent. Basically
>>>you
>>>>>>>>need enough points to make the cut to 15. Then
>>you
>>>>>>>>might move ahead just as above in composite
>>>scoring
>>>>>>>>because you were so impressive in interview and
>>>>your
>>>>>>>>speaking ability on stage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Now on to final competition. Please note once a
>>>>>>>>contestant is in top 15, judges are asked to not
>>>>>>score
>>>>>>>>below a 6 during final competition. Girl 2 will
>>>>need
>>>>>>>>to make up points to move ahead of girl 1 or
>>>anyone
>>>>>>>>else scoring higher in composite. This is not
>>>>likely
>>>>>>>>because she would need to score 9s while girl 1
>>>>>would
>>>>>>>>need to score 7s. Remember they already like
>girl
>>>1
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>her speaking abilities. This is why some say the
>>>>>>>>judges meeting determines the top 10 and top 5.
>>>>>>>>Placement among the 15 is hard to change post
>one
>>>>>>>>category of competition. Meaning if you are
>>placed
>>>>>>>>12th it is not likely you will bump out 11 and
>10
>>>>>>>>after one category and move into the top 10.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Girl 1 composite 65 talent 6+6+6=18×3.0=54 OSI
>>>>>>>>10+10+10=30×2.5=75 EG 10+9+9=28×2.0=56 Total
>>>>>final
>>>>>>>>score 250
>>>>>>>>Girl 2 composite 50 talent 9+9+9=27×3.0=81 OSI
>>>>>>>>7+7+7=21×2.5=52.5 EG 7+7+7=21×2.0=42 Total
>>>final
>>>>>>>>score 225.5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Girl 1 makes top 5 girl 2 does not. Note girl 2
>>>>fell
>>>>>>>>behind even more as talent percentage decreased
>>to
>>>>>>>>30%. Top five scores are wiped clean and girls
>>>are
>>>>>>>>given a final question that is not scored but
>>>>viewed
>>>>>>>>to help with the ranking of the final ballot.
>>>>Judges
>>>>>>>>are to rank from 1 being highest giving 10
>points
>>>>to
>>>>>>5
>>>>>>>>being lowest giving 0 points as to whom they
>feel
>>>>is
>>>>>>>>the best over all candidate for the job of Miss
>>>SC.
>>>>>>>>Where this gets crazy is when the 1s are split
>>>>among
>>>>>>>>the judges. Basically anyone in the top five can
>>>>>come
>>>>>>>>up on top. Judges are charged with staying
>>>>>consistent
>>>>>>>>with ranking based on their scoring but judges
>>are
>>>>>>>>human and can have a change of heart when it
>>comes
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>ranking. There are too many scenarios to post
>>here
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>this post is long enough. I will leave you to
>>play
>>>>>>>>with numbers for final ballot and this final
>>>>>>thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It is not all about the scoring numbers in SC
>and
>>>>>>most
>>>>>>>>of you know that. Fund raising efforts are seen
>>by
>>>>>>>>judges during competition top 5 and awards are
>>>>given
>>>>>>>>out on stage. This may or may not have an effect
>>>on
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>judge consciously or subconsciously. Emphasis
>has
>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>a number years has been on being the Miracle
>>>Maker.
>>>>>>>>Whether anyone likes it or not fund raising
>plays
>>>a
>>>>>>>>role in this competition. Tell me one Miss
>winner
>>>>in
>>>>>>>>the last 7 years that did not either sell the
>>most
>>>>>ad
>>>>>>>>pages, bring in a diamond sponsor or make top 5
>>>for
>>>>>>>>miracle maker.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: You're ignorant to call the concerns of others STUPID. I don't believe you have given your name either. And if you have it narrow down so well, there's no way you came up with 3. All the people on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, and anonymous viewers that comes on this board for answers. Silence doesn't mean others ignored what took place. Trust we are the majority that believes that this system unfairly handle the pageant and not just this year only. So you go a head and take a poof-be-gone pill if you like, but others/majority is still deserves answers. Finally, you mentioned speaking with the winner, no one denies she may be a good spokes person but so were many of the other candidates, just more talented.

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Date Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 09:19:14am