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| Subject: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... | |
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] Date Posted: 14:37:59 08/17/13 Sat [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] |
| [> Subject: When will MAOT crown a Western State?! | |
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Author: No time soon! Seems pretty rigged! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:43:56 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: It seems they only like white girls from the South with a few exceptions. | |
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Author: MAO Teen needs refreshing [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:11:45 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: They are crowning gorgeous girls. And CA is not. CA is so intent on crowning "teens" that they miss those who would do well nationally. Prime example: Danamarie. | |
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Author: get a clue [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:20:07 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Meaning Danamarie would have been a much better representative | |
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Author: no name [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:23:17 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: She could have taken it all. Danamarie was/is the real deal. | |
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Author: We will get one. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:24:15 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Danamarie will be Miss America. Mark my words. | |
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Author: She has it all. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 20:35:43 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I think I heard she's going to school in WA. Hope she competes in CA | |
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Author: !! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:05:48 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I think Danamarie plans to compete in Washington. If CA is lucky, we may get a "foreign exchange student" in return. Nicole Renard, MWOT 2011 and the current national DYM, is entering Chapman this fall as a freshman. She's an extremely talented dancer (won prelim talent at MAOT) and has a terrific, outgoing personality and strong academics. She's tall, will probably have a killer swimsuit, and a charming interview. But she probably won't be able to compete this coming year due to her DYM duties. But maybe for 2015? | |
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Author: Ernie [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 11:58:06 08/20/13 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: If we are not going to crown what the national program is looking for we may as well just appoint a "team player" and be done with it. Stop wasting people's time and money | |
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Author: Nothing but a money making event in CA [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:35:14 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Although I congratulate Florida on her win, every year I still think that the teen program still looks for its tried-and-true titleholder. The program seems to always crown the “sweet non-threatening girl,” who will do everything the program wants her to do rather than a forward thinking teen. I am not saying the girl needs to be controversial and outspoken, but rather someone who has her finger on the pulse of today’s society and understands teens. Instead we crown yet another non-memorable titleholder who I am sure will do a great job, but will remain bland and boring. Among the top 12, RI would have been my selection, as I think she is more of a representation of today’s teen. | |
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Author:  MLB[ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:06:00 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: 3 things about the Teen program. 1) If California wants to win, we need to relocate to the south. 7 of the 9 national winners have represented a southern state. 2) No bashing intended here but this year's winner had bottom 40 written all over her when they put the state crown on her head. She is certainly pretty enough and charming enough but there is nothing about her that stands out to me. I would have sent the 2nd runner up and if not her the 3rd runner up. The judges missed the boat in Fresno again. Which brings me to my 3rd point. 3) The judges. Although this year's panel seemed good enough, we need to realize that MCOT is a state competition and we need to have state calibur judges. Instead we have local volunteers from programs that don't have a teen. We get nobody with a track record for picking national teen winners and the judges we do get are treated horribly. If you want judges who will commit to the process, then commit to the judges. Maybe Katie can help change that. | |
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Author: truth teller [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:16:35 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Personally, I think they should pick judges from big CA cities and stay away from ppl in Fresno. | |
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Author: Quality of our CA judges. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:32:03 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: I think Kati should look at how successful states select their state teen panels and follow their leads. And yes, bite the bullet and pay for their hotel rooms and meals. It's cheap and clessless to do otherwise (and that last comment isn't directed at Kati. She inherited the system as is.) | |
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Author: Ernie Koneck [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:53:26 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Hear! Hear! We should be pursuing the best panels we can get! | |
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Author: Good judging is vital. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 23:16:38 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Ernie, I could be wrong, but doesn't Bob pick the teen panel as well? It's not Kati. Bob needs to stop taking the easy route in picking Fresno/Clovis people. | |
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Author: ... [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:26:31 08/18/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Kati or Mary McCaman could better answer this question than I could. But I was under the impression the Teen Director selected the panel with Bob's approval, and if they needed local Fresno judges, he would make suggestions because he has so many Fresno connections. But like I said, Kati or Mary would have the definitive answer. | |
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Author: Ernie [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:00:38 08/20/13 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Re: Personally, I think they should pick judges from big CA cities and stay away from ppl in Fresno. | |
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Author: There is Miss America rules to follow when picking state judges I dont think Ca. follows those rules. That would be the first step to a better panel of judges. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:35:34 08/23/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: That YOUR Truth.. | |
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Author: Doesnt mean its the truth!!! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:39:04 08/18/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Exactly. That's why I started the sentence with "personally." | |
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Author: Duh! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:38:27 08/18/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Correct. It is MY truth. Let's take a closer look at MY truth. I said 7 of the 9 national winners have come from the South. the national winners have represented Virginia, Oklahoma, Texas, South Carolina (2), and Florida (2). The two winners who did not come from the South represented New York and Wisconsin. TRUTH! I said Mikaela had bottom 40 written all over her when she was crowned. She finished in the bottom 40 at the national pageant. TRUTH. I said we treat our teen judges horribly. We do not pay for their hotel or meals while they stay in Fresno which is the least any pageant will do for its Judges. TRUTH. That you can't see the TRUTH or agree with the TRUTH, does not change the TRUTH. | |
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Author: truth teller [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:05:00 08/22/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: One other point. I don't think Mikaela's performance had anything to do with her appearance. She's a cute girl, looks like a teen, and is a similar type in terms of looks to the winner. MAOT to me is a total crap shoot. I have tapes of every year's competition and I have no clue how the girls that win do so. Except for the last two - Elizabeth Fechtel and Rachel Wyatt - I don't think physical appearance seemed to play a role at all. I do think academics seem to play a disproportionate role in the results. But honestly, I don't have a clue why the girls who win are chosen. There doesn't seem to be much consistency in what they're looking for. Is there even a job description for MAOT like there is for MIss America? It's very frustrating. Yet the same states (mostly Southern) seem to do well year after year. What have they figured out that CA hasn't? Maybe the Teen powers that be need to review those tapes to see if they can figure out "the magic formula" if one exists. | |
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Author: Ernie [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:07:27 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: I know Mikaela is disappointed as are we. She is a sweet and talented girl, but I have to say I was surprised when she won the Cal crown. She was not only a dark horse but she was practically an invisible horse. It probably had a lot to do with how Bob prepped them so I guess if Bob doesn't necessarily want a win at MAOT then we need to not be so disappointed when CA doesn't come close to a win, yet again. I'm just frustrated but I don't hold anything against Mikaela. She did her best and its just a pageant but it does seem Cal is in a strange funk right now. We need an ambush makeover from the inside out! | |
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Author: Maybe MAOT isn't as big a deal as it all looks anyway. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:38:08 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: All I know is that the teens had more strong talent than I've seen in years! And there were some very beautiful girls. We definitely had a great group to choose from. | |
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Author: Mikaela should be very proud even if she didn't make the top. You still are beautiful and talented! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:51:19 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... | |
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Author: disappointed [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:28:42 08/17/13 Sat I agree the problem is the judges and seems like Bob has a part in picking the Teen . I and alot of people couldn't believe the 1st runner up didnt win but we all felt the same last year when Danamarie didn't win. The 1st runner up had a wonderful musical theater song that would have done great in Orlando. She also won prelim gown she had the sparkle and shine that I thought was what we wanted in a MCOT. Mikaela is a great girl and did her best at MAOT . I think the final say if from Bob. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... | |
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Author: Teen Fan [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:38:54 08/17/13 Sat We were all surprised Hannah Huyck wasn't crowned MCOT. She was a stand out from the start. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: That's part of pageantry. The new MAOT did not win any prelim awards and there was a double prelim winner who didn't make the T12 | |
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Author: The surprise factor! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:49:53 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: That's part of pageantry. The new MAOT did not win any prelim awards and there was a double prelim winner who didn't make the T12 | |
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Author: disappointed [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 21:55:39 08/17/13 Sat Yes its all about how you are grouped in the less talented group you can be a stand out. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: That's part of pageantry. The new MAOT did not win any prelim awards and there was a double prelim winner who didn't make the T12 | |
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Author: its all so subjective what do we all know. Crystal was the obvious winner did we have one of those with the Teens. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 22:23:14 08/17/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
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Author: squeakie [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:30:53 08/18/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
[> Subject:  I think its great for the CA Teen Team to reflect and try to figure out what MAO Teen is looking for and incorporate that in the judging process on a state and local level. What I dont like is when posters are makeing comments like " if so and so won we would have done better, etc." That is a slap in the face to our titleholders and we all know that we really dont know what would have happened if "so and so" won do we.....
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Author: Lets be more constructive and support our titleholder! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:53:44 08/18/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Thank you!!!!! | |
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Author: Proud of Mikaela [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 10:30:14 08/18/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... | |
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Author: Ms. Simmons (not surprised) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 10:48:28 08/18/13 Sun They left the 2or3 teens thst looked like national contenders on the stage! Buying the most add pages does not make someone a national contender! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... | |
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Author: I would like to think that the most ad seller isnt a requirement. WHO KNOWS!!! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 17:58:47 08/18/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: My opinion of the teen program | |
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Author: JMHO [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:30:51 08/19/13 Mon The state teen ED should not be affiliated with any local committee or contestant(no conflict of interest). There should be a plan of preparation that is the standard for our teens and our state should cheer for our teens just as they do the Miss contestant. This is by no means directed at Kati because she just took this program over. We have needed a change for a long time and anyone of our girls could have won in the past. We are California!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: This year our teen had 5 weeks between MCOT and MAOT, in that time she had cheer camp to attend and summer homework to complete, not a whole lot of time for much prep. Next year MAOT is 2 weeks sooner. California teens need to come to MCOT ready for the national pageant, there is no time to "prep" anything. And for the record, in the 9 years of MAOT, California has had a first runner up, a fourth runner up, two girls in the top 10 and another in the top 12. We haven't had a winner yet but we haven't done too bad either. | |
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Author: BTW Kati doesn't have a teen titleholder so no conflict [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:39:38 08/19/13 Mon [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: The short amount of time between our teen pageant and the national pageant was a concern for me, however, Florida's pageant is held in July and so is South Carolina's. Both states have had the most recent winners and both pageants are after ours.. I agree with you, the teen contestants need to arrive in Fresno ready to win in Orlando. In my opinion, this dynamic makes it even more crucial for the local pageants to have a clear direction about what to look for at the local level so they can direct their judges accordingly and then, once they have their winner to prepare her adequately for Orlando - not just Fresno. | |
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Author: Tom Moletteire [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 00:39:58 08/20/13 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: I dont think that MAOT has a clear direction on what they are looking for and I think it shows in their judges briefing from what I am told. Not to take anything away from SC or FL, but I think they had a little luck on their side. | |
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Author: .. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:34:27 08/20/13 Tue [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: The only thing MAOT seems to be clear about is the color evening gown the winner wears. All 9 winners have worn white or pink. So if MCOT wants to win MAOT, she needs to wear a white or pink gown. lol... | |
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Author: Tom Moletteire [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 02:38:51 08/21/13 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
[> [> [> [> [> Subject:  Don't see luck playing into South Carolina's win, the girl is a doll and seriously talented!!!
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Author: !!!!! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 02:44:41 08/21/13 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Umm, Florida won | |
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Author: did I miss something [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:40:32 08/21/13 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: They might be referring to South Carolina who won last year. | |
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Author: Just a guess. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:22:51 08/21/13 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Yes, LAST YEAR, as stated in this thread. Miss South Carolina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Author: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 16:38:12 08/21/13 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: We also had a top 15 and a top 8 too! | |
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Author: :] [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:33:50 08/24/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: How many local teen pageants will there be this year? I am not asking about appointed titles, but how many actual pageants will happen? | |
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Author: inquirer [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:15:57 08/21/13 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Bob said he is no longer allowing appointed teens, you must run a teen pageant to have a teen titleholder | |
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Author: New rule [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:48:44 08/22/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Can another Teen from that same pageant be appointed? Or are they doing away with appointed Teens all together? | |
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Author: ?? [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:22:06 08/22/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: There is no such rule prohibiting appointed teen titleholders. Because of space limitations, there can be no more than 100 contestants at Miss California (Miss and Teen combined.) Generally that means about 60 Miss contestants and 40 Teens but the numbers may be fudged a little in one direction or another. i.e. If there are 59 Miss Contestants they might allow for 41 teens. This year there were 61 Miss and 39 Teens. When determining who may compete in the teen program, priority will be given to the teens who won a pageant to get there. Second priority will be given to teens who are appointed. Third priority to at large contestants. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding. | |
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Author: Tom Moletteire [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 18:42:06 08/22/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... | |
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Author: Real Deal [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:38:13 08/22/13 Thu In my opinion Mikaela was one of the prettiest girls at MAOT. Would have loved to see her win. Guess they were looking for something different. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Somebody is trying to bury this thread by posting inane responses to comments in other threads. Things like "beautiful" or "she looks good in anything." Nothing they are saying elsewhere adds to the conversation in that thread. It is annoying the hell out of me and I wish they would please stop it. This thread will go away when people have nothing left to say. After Crystal's send off on Sunday, there will be a new post bashing the Baldwins and this one will get less attention. After that, Crystal will leave for Miss America and there will be lots to say about that. Be patient. It won't be on the board forever. These kinds of threads never are. | |
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Author: just sayin [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 15:13:58 08/22/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: For Miss America's Outstanding Teen pageant, grades matter, transcripts matter, service matters, extra-curricular activities matter. | |
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Author: fan [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 23:13:54 08/22/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Some people have suggested that home-schooling is good, because it does not interfere with the travel schedule. I thought it was interesting that the new MAOT has never been on a plane. | |
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Author: Should be an interesting year. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 23:18:18 08/22/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: I am trying to remember but I think I was a teenager the first time I rode on a plane so I am not certain that Leah's lack of flight experience is all that unusual | |
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Author: Tom Moletteire [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:05:19 08/23/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: I agree! I was 17 when I first got on a plane. We drove to all our vacations and had a great time as a family :) | |
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Author: She has so many exciting times ahead this year :) [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 09:57:46 08/23/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Re: Maybe if we want an MAOTeen from CA we should look at how FL and SC's programs are run and replicate it a bit? They've both got two national wins already... | |
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Author: Danielle Short [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:37:31 08/23/13 Fri I'm coming into this conversation late in the game, so please excuse my ignorance. However, having done national kid/teen pageants, I can say the south is HARDCORE about competing. They take it as seriously as the Miss competitions. Are there interview tapes of the top 5 interviews like at Miss A? I think the teen winners come out of the interview more than anything else--at least that is what it seems like. Maybe it is just our state that reads that way. That's how I used to prep--get old videos and STUDY EVERYTHING. [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> Subject: Yes, if you order the complete set of MAOT DVDs, it includes a DVD of the top 5 interviews, that is, the interviews of the winner and the 4 runners-up, not necessarily the 5 best interviews. | |
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Author: Ernie [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 12:00:55 08/24/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> Subject: Re: Yes, if you order the complete set of MAOT DVDs, it includes a DVD of the top 5 interviews, that is, the interviews of the winner and the 4 runners-up, not necessarily the 5 best interviews. | |
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Author: The first step is the local levels current MAOT first pageant ever was her local. So lets start there. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 06:54:13 08/25/13 Sun [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: That's what I mean. Even though the winner was a pageant novice, I bet her prep team was a bunch of seasoned vets who left no rock unturned. Do any of the local ED's in Ca get past videos and go over them in detail with their winners? Of course, unless CA state gets in line with MAOT, local girls looking at National pageant footage isn't really going to help placement at state. | |
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Author: Danielle [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 13:12:28 08/29/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> Subject: Staring at the local level then why not ask the local EDs that have had their title holder become MCOT. They have done something right! | |
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Author: Just a thought [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 19:22:01 08/29/13 Thu [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> Subject: "starting" | |
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Author: typing too fast [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 05:17:04 08/30/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: "starting" | |
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Author: I didn't understand that post. I really feel the MCOT is a somewhat appointed position from what I can tell. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 08:12:21 08/30/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: I don't understand your post | |
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Author: not appointed [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 14:54:16 08/30/13 Fri [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: MCOT are not "appointed"! Sounds like you are a poor sport. | |
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Author: Practice positive thoughts. [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:50:27 08/31/13 Sat [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |
| [> Subject: Get a grip people. MCOT exists for one reason: to generate money for the organization. Period. | |
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Author: Norlene Bitch [ Edit | View ] |
Date Posted: 07:21:38 08/28/13 Wed [ Post a Reply to This Message ] |