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Date Posted: Wed, Apr 21 2004, 17:12:41
Author: Ayezur
Subject: Re: Um... confused
In reply to: MKIceman 's message, "Re: Um... confused" on Wed, Apr 21 2004, 13:21:49


>Regarding alleged jealousy, this whole fiasco (read:
>Heywood's huge conniption fit) was sparked by a
>discussion of flames and an insult to fangirls who
>worshipped Heywood (e.g., you).

I do not "worship" Heywood. He is my friend, and he I feel he has alot to teach. Oh, I'm sorry, am I not allowed to defend my friends? Am I not allowed to be pissed that you implied I was some sort of brownnoser? I don't ask him for favors, because I know damn well he can't give them. I ask him for help on some issues, I have fun and funny convresations with him. The sempai/kohai thing? Is my way of expressing how much I respect him.

He. Is. My. Friend.

>3. I then raised the separate but related issue that
>the GAFF board is not a true reflection of GAFF (or
>the original GAFF). The reasoning behind this
>statement is that the most vocal board members,
>whether they realize it or not, give the impression
>that they are GAFF, when, in reality, all board
>members are merely GAFF fans.

And I don't believe any of us ever claim to be from GAFF. People outside the board assume we are GAFF because our messageboard bears the name of GAFF. Speaking as a relativly new member, I can tell you this is true. We - them message board - are considered GAFF, as in the absence of a site badfic is being reported to the board. GAFF evolved. Get over it.

>This was exemplified in the Heywood Fanclub, and, by inference, Heywood. (I
>clearly stated that he did not initiate the fanaticism
>or hype behind him, but I also showed, through the
>development of the target's posts, that he did nothing
>to suppress it, and target ego was very much an
>issue.)

BULLshit. What, he's not allowed to feel warm and fizzy because people like him? He stays away from the more scarily worshipful stuff because it freaks him out and he'd rather it died down on its own. Why would anyone be proud of the "omg I want to marry Heywood!" thread Obssessed Fangirl started? - Yes, I know it was a joke. Just an example.

>Of course, I immaturely picked at this scab,
>too, in order to prove the point rather than simply
>post a tactful version. Nevertheless, it was still a
>good laugh for most involved. For those who didn't
>enjoy it, please do try to take Internet message
>boards less seriously.

Newsflash, alleged human being - the Internet is all I have. It's the only place I can feel reasonably safe... online is my world. As it is for many others. I'm fifteen and suck at social cues due to a neurological disorder known as Asperger's. Normal, extended human interaction is for the most part, beyond me. I can have friends and a life and a world here, on the Internet, because it's words and static images, not body language.

And I repeat: these people are my friends. Fucking yes I take it seriously.

>Let me say that again: please do try to take Internet
>message boards less seriously. This is why I laughed
>at the wailing over the loss of the InvisionFree
>board. This is why I made a comment about your (i.e.,
>Ayezur's) very own words about the board loss being
>the "scariest moments of [your] life." This is why I
>was absolutely tickled at the irony of Heywood's
>response to my post that wasn't even directed at him.

Yeah, it was scary. It scared the shit out of me, because I had no way to contact the friends I had here. And I didn't want to lose any of them, you insensitive sack of shit.

>Ayezur posted:
>>Amen. I need to drag Heywood over here sos he can see
>>for himself... he sounded depressed when I talked to
>>him.
>
>Last time I'll say it: please do try to take Internet
>message boards less seriously.

Right. Heywood does his best to fit in, to help people, offers to pay for a GAFF server out of his own pocket, and then idiots like you decide to hurl shit at him. He's not allowed to be depressed?

(long and annoying post snipped)

People CAN and DO take it seriously. Not everyone is an emotionless automaton.

>Since there seemed to be some confusion over the
>motivation behind my posts, I will clarify. Many of
>my posts on the InvisionFree board already echoed
>these sentiments, but in more subtle ways. Heywood's
>reaction to the flame discussion provided the
>catalyst, and I dropped subtlety in favor of open
>statements, which I made on this VoyForum board,
>starting with a laugh at the posted wangst over losing
>the InvisionFree board.

See above.

>Since some believe my posts were inspired by
>fandom_wank, despite several of my posts clearly
>stating that I only used a few comments from
>fandom_wank's board to summarize my sentiments (and I
>made those points on the InvisionFree board long
>before the fandom_wank comments were made), I will
>provide a link to the fandom_wank page of comments:
>
><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/369200.">http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/369200.</a>
>html
>
>This link summarizes everything, including my dislike
>for fandom_wank:
>
><a rel=nofollow target=_blank href="http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/369200.">http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/369200.</a>
>html?thread=23773488
>
>
>I had planned to make this statement -- GAFF board is
>not GAFF, so-called GAFFers (i.e., board members) are
>only GAFF fans and not GAFF members -- since the
>"Ho!mione gets raped" thread on the InvisionFree
>board, because it was that thread that made me realize
>the truth behind that statement... along with
>correspondence with The Site Guru (aka Godawful Team).
>
>Here is an e-mail from The Site Guru:
>
>===
>From : Godawful Team <webmaster@godawful.zzn.com>
>Sent : Friday, April 16, 2004 3:29 AM
>To : mkiceman@hotmail.com
>Subject : Re: The Current State of GAFF
>
>The original GAFF format, the web site, is the truest
>incarnation of what I believe GAFF is and stands for.
>The message board was only intended as an extension to
>that, as a I believe it important that people should
>have an unmoderated place to address, reply, or refute
>what was said on the GAFF we site.
>
>The host of the web site is/was going under and the
>site went down. I have it archived still. Actually,
>the copy I have archived contains fandoms and reviews
>that never had a chance to go live. The site,
>although not online and available to the masses,
>continues to be updated. This should give you an
>indication of how serious I am of getting that site
>back online one day soon.
>
>While the site is unavailable the messager board is
>the only incarnation of GAFF on the web. It's not
>GAFFs replacement, it doesn't speak for those who put
>the GAFF site together, it's just a bunch of people
>who enjoyed the concept of the original GAFF and like
>to discuss things with their fellows. I don't like or
>support everything that goes on in the message board.
>Nor should I. It is,
>after all, unmoderated, and everyone should be able to
>speak freely. Having provided a forum for people to
>speak their minds I have no right to try to moderate
>how they choose to do that. It's a double edged sword
>that, very occasionally, I regret providing. The
>message board will only ever be as good as the people
>posting to it.
>
>I guess my main point is that the message board is not
>GAFF and was never intended to be GAFF, but, while the
>web site is offline, I can understand that people
>might assume the forum = the new GAFF.
>
>That said, the GAFF website will eventually go back
>online and a new host will be found for the message
>board. Until then it is unavoidable that the current
>crop of regular message board visitors will be
>disappointed with the current situation and they are
>free to publicly manifest
>their emotions however they see fit.

Everything the Site Guru said is correct and also happen to support what I say - the messageboard has become the new GAFF in the eyes of most, which is what actually counts. Now, you can keep whining about how it isn;t the same as the good ol' days, or you can do what the Site Guru has, which is quietly go about your buisness, accept that change has happened, and get the hell out of our, in your eyes, polluted sandbox.

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