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Subject: Australian luge crisis


Author:
Owen M
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Date Posted: 19:22:05 08/28/02 Wed


G’day all,

We Australian lugers are facing a crisis. A recent T.V. current affairs program has cast us in a less than admirable light, branding us as idiots, lunatics and a menace to society. They did cover our point of view to a rather limited extent but nothing about the lengths we go to for safety, or our years of experience. The story is on the program website (http://todaytonight.com.au/stories/264287.html). If you feel like supporting us, consider sending a message of support for us to the “contact us” section of the Today Tonight website (http://todaytonight.com.au/contactus/29924.html). Please be considerate and tactful, perhaps mention the safety aspects of the sport that they neglected to cover.

There is a debate on in Australia at the moment about whether to ban luge entirely. Please help us to regain a respectable and professional image after this media misrepresentation.
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Subject: how do you make a luge?


Author:
jacques hemming
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Date Posted: 05:30:54 06/15/02 Sat

I want to get into streetluge but i haven't got the money to buy a luge so i need to make my own. I would appreciate any information about how to make one and where to get cheap equipment
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Subject: Traws


Author:
Joel
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Date Posted: 03:56:12 08/27/02 Tue

Hey there

Sorry, been outa touch fot the past week and a half.

So, Traws... Few quick questions:

Any room left in cabins, or will I be tenting it?

What days/dates is it again? When are ppl getting there?

Can anyone offer me a lift? I live in Cheltenham, but can get a train/bus to meet up, if not will anyone be able to pick me up from Festiniog?

See y'all there

Joel
Subject: luge


Author:
wayne
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Date Posted: 14:52:28 08/06/02 Tue

is there eny one do street luge in manachester as i would like to get in to the sport if so contakt meby e mail
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Subject: Buttboarding


Author:
Dale
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Date Posted: 08:02:01 08/23/02 Fri

Just read the section on buttboardin, and see that the record speed is 65.24 mph, i have recently been 60mph but on a standard 30" street skateboard with 52mm wheels and standard skateboard trucks, on my butt, it is on video too, filmed be friends in a car behind me, i recon i could beat that record on a longer board, it was at a place called GOYT VALLEY near macclefield, not far from the Cat and Fiddle Inn, you bikers may of heard of it.
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Subject: g-bike fairings


Author:
Fast Eddie Devil Man
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Date Posted: 14:46:19 08/21/02 Wed

Hola g-bikers. I found windscreen/fairings that are high quality and sold at a fraction of the cost of the same type of products currently available on the g-bike scene. They are clear, shatter proof, light weight, and if mounted correctly will pass tech inspection at gravity events. With the cost of the mounts, the windscreen/fairing,, the hardware and tools required, and shipping, these are far less expensive than anything else out there. You can significantly reduce wind drag without blocking any of your view of the road. Since they are one peice, the need and cost fof a seperate windshield is eliminated. I already have one and I love it. Check out www.zzipper.com or mueller-ht.com, tell them Fast Eddie sent ya. Fast Eddie Devil Man
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Subject: dirt bike


Author:
travis
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Date Posted: 17:51:00 08/21/02 Wed

travis says hey
Subject: Ay ay ay i wear the shellsuits around ere


Author:
An associate of a Crip
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Date Posted: 13:18:04 08/13/02 Tue

Now then!!

Who's off to Traws?

We need to get back to the regular racing, because Chalky can't STAND to be without a scouse west midlander to take the piss out of, and were getting bored of just going out three times a week practicing and finding new roads constantly and having to sup traditional Yorkshire ale without having to buy a large round or be beaten by any southerners or intellectually humiliated by any doctors.

aye appen



Ps
Joel Chalky is still waiting for the pipe bender to come I've got know idea when or even if it'll arrive but ill let you know when it does.
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Subject: Scammonden


Author:
Andy
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Date Posted: 03:07:11 08/18/02 Sun

We Went to have a look At the Scammonden road yesterday, it's bloody steep and it's going to be realy fast. The corners are very savage and the almco is everywhere we don't want it. We decided the possibility of racing on it was out but it might be good as a time trial. And it realy does need a lot of protection.
After we'd been there we went and did some top runs down both sides of Home Moss. The first run Jamie's and myown truck's were to tight and jamie went round every corner on the wrong side of the road, head on into the busy traffic, and i binned it at the last hairpin which was fun.
Any way back to the point, We discussed the different way's of protecting the scammonden road. It would cost a fortune to bail it and using that amount of bail's would turn out to be very inefficient because of the hidden costs of transporting them and storing them. We aggreed some areas could be boarded but that wouldn't be enough as there is no runout between the almco and the road.
We decided that we need to get some inflateable tubing a bit like long bouncy-castle sausages which could be easily transported and would probably turn out a lot cheaper than bale's in the long run. In order for us to get these sorts of thing's, we need to get the BGSA up and activly running for this we need CASH.

So all those who want to join and want to see more races being organised, should get there sub's paid, Chris said there is an ideal oppertunity in 2 weeks time.

See you all in Traws
Andy
xxx
Subject: Gurston Race Report - Sunday 11th Aug.


Author:
Tom Worsley
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Date Posted: 02:57:46 08/14/02 Wed

Race Results: Sunday 11th August – Gurston.

Streetluge: (Best Qualifying Times)

1st – Tom Worsley – 0.58.67
2nd – Tristan Rothwell – 0.59.55
3rd – Jason Linford – 1.01.25

Lee Priddle - 1.01.74
Simon Andrews - 1.01.99
Joel King - 1.02.27
Josh Nall - 1.02.59
Stewart Thompson - 1.02.63
Dan James - 1.07.04
Sinead Williamson - 1.07.16
Seth Hunter - 1.07.59
Simon Stockton - 1.08.30
Matt Roberts - 1.16.08
Steve Blackwell - 1.23.36
Matt Lammas - 1.27.68

Gravity Bike:

1st – Ian Round – 0.53.63 (Faired)
2nd – Russ Cooper – 0.59.77 (Unfaired)

Prodrive Soapbox:

1.04.49 (Unfaired)

On Sunday the 11th the hill at Gurston saw possibly the most diverse array of gravity machinery ever. 15 Luges, two Gravity Bikes, one Soapbox a, Buttboard and a weird Freeboard thing on castor wheels…!

The weather was marginal – threatening to rain all morning, dusting the track with light drizzle and with a headwind blowing directly up the straight – It was obvious that no records would be broken, but the racing was close and competitive. As the day progressed the weather lifted, making for an excellent afternoon of gravity racing.

Ian Round made the trek all the way from Leeds, to race his Gravity Bike against Russ Cooper’s new machine. A relative rookie to gravity sports, Russ proved to be a formidable opponent (Years of racing Vespas - giving him the edge). Russ’s bike proved to be everything we had anticipated – built around a Redline frame, MONSTER disk brakes front and rear, dropped bars and a custom saddle. Ian and Russ battled it out all day, but Ian’s superb fairing kept him a few seconds ahead of the unfaired Russ. Ian also experienced his first high-speed wipeout (Parking accidents in Aviemore don’t count!). We could all hear the crunch of fibreglass from the top of the hill, as Ian stacked it on the first corner. Both Ian and the bike survived relatively unscathed – a sore shoulder for Ian, and a scratched fairing for the bike. Ian had mentioned a day or so before the race, that he was curious to explore what happens in a crash – seeing as he had never had a serious off at speed before….. Well, I guess he knows all about it now!

The Luge racing saw the arrival of Joel King on his new ride. A pan luge of conventional construction – with superb workmanship throughout (But still lacking the handlebars – Andy!). This race was his first race in anger on the new luge. The rest of the field was composed of mixture of rookies, and a few more experienced riders. The competition was fierce and some good times were put in. Simon Stockton arrived with a ‘Helmet – Cam’ and obtained some superb onboard footage.

Possibly the most unusual entry was the ‘Prodrive’ soapbox. For the uninitiated – soapbox cars are gravity racers, built by all of the most prominent names in motorsport – Ferrari, Williams, Benneton, Prodrive,… to name just a few. They are built for a single annual event at Goodwood festival of speed. The vehicles feature state of the art technology throughout, and are some of the most impressive machines I have ever seen. The Prodrive racer was no exception – Featuring a lot of innovative technology, including an on-board Data Logger device. Tracked by six satellites, the tiny GPS receiver recorded a wealth of information on each race. This was all downloaded into a laptop between runs. It could draw a ‘virtual map’ of the course - recording speed, acceleration, deceleration, lateral G’s, braking points, turning points….etc, etc, etc…

In all, the race was a huge success – Thanks to Ding for organising everything and driving the van, thanks to Rain for freezing her arse off doing the timing – and thanks to all the competitors for making it into a race. The best result was the opportunity to meet up with Ian, Joel and Russ – and talk about future races, Scammonden and Traws to name just a couple.

Be warned though, as I write this – Russ is working on the next incarnation of his Gravity Bike, he wandered back into his workshop muttering something about Gravity Sidecar racers…..watch this space.

The next event at Gurston has been provisionally set for the 15th September. In the meantime, see you all at Traws!

Tom Worsley.

P.S. We have a whole heap of vids and photos from the event, I'll post them online as soon as possible...
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Subject: Gentlemen, we have a race...


Author:
Tom Worsley
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Date Posted: 02:43:26 08/09/02 Fri

Gentlemen, we have a race…

It appears that Russ Cooper (Williams F1) has built himself a Gravity Bike overnight.

He locked himself in his workshop late last night, swung a hatchet over his favourite BMX, and based on the information provided by Ian Round – emerged with a G. Bike 12 hours later!

Come and see how Russ’s F1 technology stands up against Ian’s bike at Gurston Hillclimb this Sunday…

See you on the hill,


Tom Worsley

P.S. For those of you who can’t make it – I’ll post a full report to this forum next week.
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Subject: French events


Author:
William
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Date Posted: 03:02:53 08/06/02 Tue

- Thursay 15 th of Augst - Friday 16h => there's an event which is part of the streetluge and stand up championship, you can go there even if you're not french. The track is 1 miles long, the event takes place at La Plagne

- The biggest european freeride from 16th to 18th of august. You'll be able to ride your GF1, your gbike, your longskate, your luge and many others gravity vehicles on a 6 miles closed road (that's not a joke, 6 miles! NO ERROR).
prices: 26€ for 3 days, 20€ for 2 days or 13€ for 1 day


If you want more details, you can visit www.streetluging.net (click on the english flag for the english version) or ask your questions on this message board.
Thank you very much.
Ride safe, but GO FAST
William
Subject: Race organisation


Author:
Ian Round
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Date Posted: 04:54:54 07/29/02 Mon

Hi everyone,

me and dad (Derek) are looking into organising a Streetluge/buttboard/gravitybike event at the Scammonden hill climb course by the M62 near Huddersfield. We've walked the course (which we feel is probably too steep for stand-up nutters...sorry guys, but you're welcome to try if we get an event organised) and a figure of £200 per day has been mentioned for track hire. The main requirement now is to source approx 750 straw(preferably Barley, it's softer) bales at a realistic price. Any info would be great, especially from Chris regarding how the Aviemore bales were obtained and disposed of. Is there any merit in buying and storing bales at the begining of a race season and transporting them to each event? Does anyone know of any suitable storage? Bales currently buy/sell for around £1 each, so you can appreciate the sum of money potentially involved. Ideally we would like to run a test session at Scammonden this autumn to get some racer feedback about couse suitability and hopefully use it as a National Championship venue next year.
Please, if anyone has any useful input, get in touch so we can all go racing more often and chris can have a break from all the organising.
P.S. Will see you all at Traws with our NEW Full suspension 3/4 faired bike, and if any one is daft enough, can I have a go on you're luge?
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Subject: re: Streetluge Race - Sunday 11th August - Be there!


Author:
tom worsley
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Date Posted: 04:22:49 08/02/02 Fri

Ian,

Gurston is in Sailsbury - all disciplines are welcome. If it goes down hill under gravity - you can race it with us.

Gurston Down is a hillclimb track where we have been racing regularly for the last few years. It is a generally forgiving course, ideally suited to first-timers. Though, with regular attendance from world-class racers such as Jerry Gilder and Pete Elliot, the competition can be tough.

It would also be a good chance for you to have a chat with Ding and discuss the in's and outs of staging regular races. Ding's been in this game for years and knows his stuff. Likewise, it is an unmissable chance for you to have a poke around the Prodrive gravity racer, you never know - they might hire you you or something...?!

It would be cool if you could come, I know Russell Cooper is especially keen to have a look at your G-bike...

If you have any transport problems, talk to me or Ding - we might be able to hook you up with a lift if possible.

I'm off to Germany this weekend, but i'll send you a photo of the Prodrive gravity machine when I get back.

Tom.
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Subject: GRAVITY GAMES PHOTOS


Author:
william
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Date Posted: 05:09:39 08/03/02 Sat

Hi, streetluge and stand-up gravity games photos are online.
Visit:
- http://landluge.com/gg/index.htm
- www.streetluging.net (click on the english flag to go to the english version). all photos are not the same as LANDLUGE ones.

Thanks to Chuck Clark .
See you
William from France
Subject: Standup Racers - Gurston?


Author:
tom worsley
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Date Posted: 04:25:17 08/02/02 Fri

Any of you standup nutters fancy a bash at the Gurston course? It shouldn't bee too far for some of you Cornish skaters.

Contact me or Ding if you are interested.
Subject: Streetluge Race - Sunday 11th August - Be there!


Author:
Tom Worsley
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Date Posted: 02:58:51 08/02/02 Fri

Right then everybody - Strike while the iron is still hot! I sense a resurgence of interest in organised Streetluge Racing, and it is all good inspirational stuff – Keep it up!

The 3rd round of the Sssprint Championships will be run at Gurston on Sunday the 11th of August.

We have just been informed that the ‘Prodrive’ rally team will be attending this race with their ground breaking ‘Soapbox’ gravity racer for some shakedown tests. I have seen this thing and it is HOT! Disk brakes all round, fully faired riders ‘pod’ etc, etc… Just imagine if you gave Derek and Ian Round a million pounds – This is the sort of thing they would build!

Also attending will be Russell Cooper of Williams Formula 1 fame – he engineers the brake systems for the F1 cars, and in his spare time makes the most awesome brake systems for Downhill Mountain bikes. He would like to get into Gravity Sports, and this race at Gurston will be his first introduction.

So, while everybody is talking about setting up a UK race series – lets not forget that Sssprint has been running races ALL YEAR ROUND, for the past five years plus… So come on and support Gravity Sports, and show your true colours on the racetrack.

Tom Worsley.

P.S. We run without bales at Gurston, it can be done safely – come and see how.
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Subject: Andy


Author:
Joel
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Date Posted: 02:43:40 08/01/02 Thu

Hi Andy

Sorry if I'm becoming a pain in the arse, but I'm posting here because I havn't had any replys to my e-mails (I'm sure there is a good explination).

Could you please let me know what is happening with the handles you are helping me with. I am wanting to go to Gurston in a week, but won't be able to if they arn't ready. If you can't get them to me for then would they be ready for traws? I am really looking foward to riding with you guys, but I won't be able to if the luge is ready.

I understand that you have loads of other stuff to do, but could you please let me know what is happening (and how much I will owe you).

Thanks again

Joel
Subject: Traws practice


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 16:13:50 07/21/02 Sun

This is the Date, weekend of the 31st August no ifs or butts.
2 cabins available sleeps 4/6 no smoking and no trashing these belong to JOs mum and dad special rate of £90 for 2 nights per cabin.
Who will be there?
I will also be getting some bales for the drains.
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Subject: UK race series


Author:
Chris and Jo
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Date Posted: 08:53:45 07/21/02 Sun


Hi,
The reason I have been quiet is that I am still working hard trying to wrap up the Aviemore event.The event has once again left us financially, mentally and physically down.The main reason for this is people dropping out of the event last minute leaving only me with the responsibility this is what happens to the "people in the know" at the end of the day its them that's left with all the problems.I have also been quiet because I do not have anything positive to add at the moment I tried to set up the BGSA but there are still only four members Pete Eliot, John Bates, Dan Bates and myself.
To be able to organise races you need to charge a small entry fee for fuel for the van and possible use of hill climb courses who charge £200 a day. If I were to organise this and not enough people turned up it would be me who pays.
To make a race as safe as possible someone needs to pay for the bales and netting get them there, set up the course and take it down, you need to have third party liability insurance, these were the main reasons for the BGSA membership.
Ultimately we feel responsible for the safety of the other riders and not just myself, we would not like to have a repeat of Chalky's accident having to wait 1 1/2 hours for an ambulance feeling helpless whilst he was in so much pain for so long. We then travelled 100 miles each night after work to visit him in hospital,even though chalky is a good mate, we would have done this for anybody because we feel responsible.
I have been importing parts into the country to make sure people have the right parts to race with, its certainly not been for financial gain I just needed to cover my costs but its not even worth doing that.
I have known Ding for many years. I started racing at Gurston as did so many others and Gurston is a good beginners hill and Ding is committed to teaching beginners, but does not want to expand (as I understand it) and with having the experiences I have had now I do not blame him.
I have also had to deal with the politics of the IGSA which completely destroyed my faith in the organisation as a board member.
On the POSITIVE side I have managed to put on the biggest gravity sports event in the UK twice, which have both been televised for channel 4, introduced gravity biking to this country, encouraged more people into streetluge (only to scrape them up and send them to hospital!), shared my riding experience and offer advice, we have a van,trailer some netting and posts, and radios.
Admittedly the web site is poor at the moment but I need to find the time.
It was good to receive all the thanks for the Aviemore event because that is all I get out of it, I don't even get to ride the road as much as everybody else.
It would be nice to just turn up to races that other people have organised (and a lot cheaper) and then maybe I could compete internationally.
I know some people out there are committed to the sport but from experience I know that in most cases the commitment fades. I don't blame anybody for this everyone has busy lives and other commitments.However our lives have been taken over by Streetluge, particularly the organisation of Aviemore to the point where it isn't any fun.
I would like to see what commitment people have to offer and if they are willing to back it up so that the sports and BGSA can go into the future.
I am sorry to moan so much but I was pushed!
I am sure by now you will be sorry you asked, but I have struggled long and hard for this sport and I feel entitled to moan!

Chris & Jo


Chris Beard
00 44 (0)151 353 1246
07977 975 112
www.Gravitysports.co.uk
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Subject: BGSA?


Author:
Joel
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Date Posted: 01:27:35 07/31/02 Wed

Hi

A couple of questions about the BGSA, I guess your the one to reply to this Chris.

Does it exist yet, or is it still on the drawing board? I searched for BGSA on Google and it turned up the Black Graduates Student Association, lol.

If the BGSA does not yet exist how are the UK rider rankings worked out? Is it from international races or the races and meets that happen arround the country? BGSA events would better provide clear rankings for UK rider who cannot race abroad etc.

What will the BGSA provide? I beleive you have already mentioned insurance, the No.1 reason for such an organisation, but what else? Ian has sugested a supplys store, a great idea, and would cut down costs. It may be worth looking into how much a freindly farmer would charge for the hire of a disused old small barn/shed to store equipment, my dad has done this and it wasn't much.

Would there be a national rankings system? Further to previous discussions on this board setting up the BGSA, or some other groupe of letters to do with gravity sports, is a good step towards a race series. Great.

Finally what the damage likley to be? Remember that joining such an organisation needs to be of visible benefit to the riders, over the season it needs to work out cheaper to join than pay the non-members race fees. In an ideal world ppl would pay more just to support the organisation for long term benefit, but lets face it, that's unlikley to happen.

I think such an organisation would do wonders for the racing in this country, but it will need the races to back it up. Let me know if I can help with anything, tho I am in the middle of moving down to Bournemouth for my final year of uni at the moment.

Thanks for your time

Joel
Subject: UK Race Series


Author:
Ding Boston
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Date Posted: 15:16:46 07/25/02 Thu

Hi,
My excuse for being quiet is that I don't tend to browse the net much and was only alerted to the debate by Joel and Tom Worsley - so thanks to you both.
Having read Chris's reply to Joel's message, I can only agree with all he writes - and offer my sincere admiration and commiserations. In my experience, anybody who organises a street luge race in this country, especially one as ambitious as Aviemore, has to have balls the size of coconuts, nothing else to do, and pockets big enough for a couple of dozen more.
Anyway, also at the risk of sounding negative, but in a genuine attempt to temper (i.e. bring to proper consistency for greater strength) idealism with my own practical experience, I make the following observations...
I have been running the SSSprint British Street Luge Championship for the past 7 years - ever since a bunch of us went to the first ESPN Extreme Games in 1995.(Arguably an overweaningly portentious title, but hey - if it's the only thing going and it helps to get the thing noticed...)
At first, as it represented the only organised racing, or opportunity to have a go without buying the kit first, and as I managed to get to use both Gurston and Prescott hillclimbs, it was quite popular. However my also being the chairman of the Oxford Stunt Factory - the alternative/dangerous sports club at Oxford and Oxford Brookes Universities - was an enormous help in finding others to have a go. In fact, apart from Chris Beard and John Maher, OSF club members and friends made up 90% of racers/participants for the first 2-3 years. Unfortunately we lost the use of Prescott after three or four visits, and since that time we have used Gurston almost exclusively. Exhaustive attempts to find other closed/private venues that don't involve me driving the old club/course van, well over-loaded, more than a couple of hours to and from Oxford have come to nothing. Since that time the number of people interested has slowly dwindled to the point where I have had to cancel or postpone 6 meetings this year through lack of support (i.e. less than 10 people interested) - even from people wanting Taster Days to try the sport before getting more involved - or not.
This is in spite of being on TV - the endlessly repeated BBC'Radical Highs' - Pete Eliot on Big Breakfast, Record Breakers, Pop Factory, the Sony advert, Aviemore, the X Games and other International competitions, magazine articles - in Loaded, cycle mags, etc., etc.,. Not a huge amount you may say - but you would have thought sufficient coverage to get interested parties to enter street luge into a search engine and find streetluge.co.uk...
I have taken a stall at Freshers Fair at Oxford for the past four years, specifically for Street Luge, with leathers, helmets, boots, and shiny exciting luges - always including the legendary aerodynamic Hickey 'Eagle'. Out of 6000 plus new students, one signed up - and has yet to appear...Otherwise just 6 new OSF's have since had Taster Days, and, of those, only one is thinking about building their own luge. Draw your own conclusions.

Mine are these:
1)Street Luge is - and always will be - a TINY minority sport.
2)Mountain Biking is an offshoot of the most popular form of transport in the world. The reservoir of interest of every kind is vast and any comparisons are completely irrelevant.
3)Virtually all people just don't like the idea of hurtling down a road - on or off a luge - with high expectations of coming to rest suddenly against the scenery. They have no way of knowing just what degree of protection a set of leathers affords, little real inclination to find out, and endless horror stories to reinforce their suspicions. Even the closest friends of lugers tend to put them in the same pigeonhole as flagelatory monks and masochistic Indian Holy men, watching their 'antics' with the same degree of anxiety and with the indulgent smiles with which they view the mentally ill. Trying to get folk on a luge is damn difficult!
4)They may be wildly excited at the end of the day, and are dying to come back, but only a small percentage of those who come for Taster Days ever come again - having 'got the T shirt'. Of those that do, very few are sufficiently enthused to build their own luge, preferring to come again very occasionally for a novel day out with no strings/equipment attached.
5)I would estimate that there are - possibly - 100 luges in this country. 25 of these are mine or club luges. I estimate that they took me 6 months, full time, to build. At,say, £5 an hour that's £5200. Plus, say, £250 each for materials, thats another £6250. Plus 15 sets of leathers at say £100 that's another £1500.
Add another £3000 for clutches, engines, gearboxes, rental, and damage to course vehicles over the past years. Add another £4000 for 50 sets of boots, plus gloves, helmets, helmet bags, timing equipment, batteries, tables, gazebos, chairs, cones, boxes, banners, radios, gaffer tape, signs, tools, photos, video, printing, etc., used on the Hill. Add another £500 for repairs and servicing to leathers, gloves, and luges. Add another £1000 of phone calls, £2500 of petrol, and £2500 storage over the past years, and we are up to £26450 already. Because I'm boring you, add whatever notional sums you like for the 1000's of hours I've spent over the past 7 years writing up results, organising meetings, pleading with people to come to meetings, letters and emails to riders, the media, and other interested parties, acquiring all this kit, Hill fees, Official Timers meals, driving to and from the Hill, loading and unloading the van, driving all over the country looking for alternative sites, delivering and collecting leathers from repairers, etc. (The list is endless, and I take this opportunity to most gratefully thank all those who have ever helped - and particularly the long suffering Chris with the van!) With Taster Days at £40, and riders with their own gear now at £20, but previously at £10, lets divide the figure by an average of £25 per person per day - giving 1058, plus a few SSSprint memberships at £25. That's more than twice the total number of people days there have been, and so this ready reckoning makes a loss to date of approximately £13000. However, it must be apparent that as all these figures are low estimates,and with none of the latter included, the actual figure is a great deal more. I don't even want to start contemplating what this AND Chris's losses/contribution might tot up to...

I have long since given up expecting to see a return on the money - and never expected such on the time. However, having created the infrastructure and secured a venue which is excellent for beginners and intermediate riders, I am happy to continue providing an (as yet) unique resource for anybody wanting to start in, or simply experience the sport, at entry level. It is disappointing - but understandable - that riders who first cut their teeth at Gurston tend to drift away, but while there are members of the OSF - and others - who wish to enjoy and support these efforts, I will continue. I certainly hope that this posting will encourage more people, particularly less experienced riders, to get in touch and help make up sufficient numbers for meetings not to be repeatedly postponed.

On a positive note - and in spite of the indications given by that last plea! - like Chris, I really hope that your enthusiasm wins the day.

Ding
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Subject: DHX on C5 tonight 25-7 12.10am


Author:
luke
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Date Posted: 13:45:23 07/25/02 Thu

it's on, i will tape it let me know if you want a copy.
Subject: Hot Heels Results: Most Complete So far


Author:
Richard H
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Date Posted: 11:40:59 07/15/02 Mon

See www.streetluge.net/webbbs for my race reports.. intil then..

here are the results so far: plese cut and paste for future additions:

Streetluge:
1. Olivier Wagner (SUI)
2. Laurant Sahli (FRA)
3. Leander Lacey (RSA)
4. ?

5. Simon 'Monta' Porlock (RSA)
6. Pete Eliot (GBR)
7. ?
8. ?

Buttboard:
1. Leander Lacey (RSA)
2. Werner Bucherl (AUT)
3. Peter Eliot (GBR)
4. Richard Hodkinson (GBR)
5. Jeremy Gilder (GBR)
6. Tom '1st Corner spectacular' Mason (USA)

7. ?
8. ?

Stand Up (rained off, by qualifying time:

1. Yvon Labarthe
2. Stuart Bradburn (SA)
3. ?
4. Mike Zietsmann (SA)
5. ?
6. ?
7. ?
8. ?

Inline
1. ?
2. ?
3. Scott Peer (USA)
4.
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Subject: UK Race Series???


Author:
Joel
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Date Posted: 04:14:57 07/17/02 Wed

I'm new to this game and was wondering if there was an organised UK race series? It's great having a big race like Avimore organised each year, but there dosn't appear to be a regular circuit from what I can see, why not god dam it!

Although I don't know a great deal about the sport yet (before people start) I do feel this gives me a different (new) perspective. I believe the distinct lack or outward promotion of the sport, especially in this country, is one of the major reasons that this sport is gaining so few new members. We occasionally see luge on TV, about 5 years ago was the last time I saw it, but are given no clues as to how we get into a sport that LOOKS expensive and is rarely seen and has no structured race series.

In my oppinion, humble as it is, a race series with events arround the UK would make promotion a lot easier and the sport more attractive to join. I do understand that it is hard and expensive to organise a series, but I'm sure there are some of us dedicated enough to get some sort of UK championship series set up, possibly under one of the oh so many gouverning bodies out there SSSprint, IGSA, EDI, GSA etc. Now is a good time to start sorting something out for the next season, series sponsors, event venues, publicity campaigns aimed at NON-lugers (universities are a great place to start) via a medium other than the internet and luge forums. Finally the cost of racing needs to come down, I know many of you say that it is a comparativly cheap form of racing, well compared to cars and motorbikes yes it is, BUT luges DON'T have an engine, compare it to a similar sport. Mountainbike racing (where I come from) is a much better comparison, yes the bikes cost a lot more, £1-5,000, but race entry is only about £15-25, and you don't need to join half a dozen (or any) governing bodies. People are not willing to par £40 per race, on top of a £1-150 membership fee.

I know this has probably been gone over a million times before, but has anythin been done. Look at the problems that are happening over in America, I don't fully understand all the arguments I admit, but it appears to me that the lack of new blood and outward promotion, the resistance to change and the general confusion and chaos is causing the sport to stagnate. Once again, I believe that the points I mad above, an ORGANISED RACE SERIES and better OUTWARD PROMOTION will give the sport new life.

Please give me your views, and please lets come together and get something done. Before everyone starts one me remember: a new perspective is not always a bad one, and change can be for the better.

Joel

P.S. Soz about any spelling mistakes, I'm dyslexic (yes I can spell it) you know.
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Subject: Construction Help


Author:
Joel
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Date Posted: 00:46:22 07/03/02 Wed

HEy there

I have nearly finnished my two first luges, based on the bama build on streetluge.net, but I really dont like that style of handle he has.

Could any of you guys help me out making two sets of bent tube handles? Obviously I will pay for any time, materials and P&P as you deam reasonable. If you think you can help please e-mail me or leave a message and I will e-mail you a graphic of how I would like the handles made.

Thank you very much

Joel
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Subject: Happy Birfdee


Author:
Jet
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Date Posted: 06:20:19 07/05/02 Fri

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CHRIS!!!!!

(for 4th July!!)
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Subject: gravity bikers


Author:
Fast Eddie Devil Man
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Date Posted: 14:39:56 06/27/02 Thu

Just wondering, how many gravity bikers are over there?
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Subject: Video of Aviemore


Author:
John Fritz
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Date Posted: 13:26:01 07/04/02 Thu

I was wondering where and when the videos that where made(shown on the last nigt) would be down and how to get a hold of one

Fritz
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Subject: Body Armour - where can I get it?


Author:
Johelian
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Date Posted: 15:30:07 07/02/02 Tue

Heya, just needing to know where a good place to buy body armour can be found (for someone in the uk)! Cheers! Oh, and thanks to the guys that answered my otehr questions, cheers for the info
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Subject: Traws meeting this summer?


Author:
Neil
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Date Posted: 03:14:55 06/13/02 Thu

Many thanks to Chris and the crew for an outstanding event in Aviemore, and to everyone for making it the most enjoyable event I attend each year.

I would like to meet in Traws sometime this summer for some practice and racing. Most dates are ok for me so can I suggest July 27 th to get the ball rolling.

Neil
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Subject: Riders near Glos.


Author:
Joel
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Date Posted: 01:19:04 07/02/02 Tue

Hi everybody

Just wondering if there are any lugers in or near Glostershire. I'm from Cheltenham and I was wondering if there was anyone to meet up with?

Also I use MSN messenger a lot so feel free to add me if you do as well.

Cheers

Joel
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Subject: Getting to Aviemore - Lifts available from Glasgow Airport...


Author:
Tom Worsley
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Date Posted: 10:59:21 04/29/02 Mon

Anybody flying into Glasgow? Need a lift?

I will be picking up my 'bird' from Glasgow Prestwick airport at 19:00 on Thursday 30th May. Then driving on to Aviemore.

If anybody is flying into Glasgow around that time (Give or take a couple of hours) get in touch, and I'll be more than happy to give you a lift.

Likewise, if any of the Oxford lot need lifts - I can carry people up there, but not back (I'm staying up there for a 'holiday', coming back on the 6th June). Likewise I can help carry luges and stuff - just like last year, but remember, my car is small and crap.

Priority given to people who can help share the driving and fuel.

Tom Worsley
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Subject: Events


Author:
Johelian
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Date Posted: 09:26:17 06/18/02 Tue

Where does everyone get their info on where events will be held in the UK? Im looking for gravitybike and streetluge events, and am struggling to find up-to-date information on UK events. I know someone that wants to start in these sports having built their own luge and bike, and we want to have a look at some events! Anyone got any good links? Cheers. Sorry if this looks familiar!
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Subject: Scotland Gbikers Get your World cup points in GBA


Author:
Dean Bryant
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Date Posted: 01:22:44 06/07/02 Fri

Thank you for the report on gravity bikes

Could you talk those guys into registering for the Gravity Bike Association on http://www.GravityBike.com That way I can include them and there World cup Points in the Gravity Bike Association World Championships. I would also like to write a feature about the riders and the sport of gravity biking in Scotland.

my address is 501 N. Venice Blvd #30 Venice Beach California 90291
or photo's can be emailed to dean@gravitybike.com

We are so excited to hear five riders were there and racing wonderful.

We will get the results to the gravity-bike event shortly thanks for the update.

Dean Bryant
dean@gravitybike.com
http://www.gravitybike.com
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Subject: Complete TALIMENA Results


Author:
RWR
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Date Posted: 09:46:35 06/19/02 Wed

F-6 Racing would like to thank all that attended the first ever Talimena Drive Xtreme Downhill! The event was a success. The racers loved the course. We heard comments like; "this is the best course in the world", "can you believe this is Oklahoma", "can you believe all of the braking rubber left on the course". Some said during practice that the course would be brakeless before the weekend was up. Not even close. We knew this would be a racers paradise and we are thrilled to be able to share it with gravity racers around the world.
The volunteers were great. We couldn't have done it with out them. The F-6 Chicks were a big hit! They did an incredible job as corner marshals. Thank you to RED BULL ENERGY DRINK, RANDALL TRUCKS, ABEC 11 WHEELS and TERMINATOR BEARINGS for helping out with the race and prizes for the winners. Thank you IGSA for your support in running this event. The Saddle Gap was perfect for the racer party. Roasted pig, beer and a mechanical bull, you can't get more "Oklahoma" than that.
The event is scheduled for next year. At this time it is dated for June 14,15 2003. The US Forest Dept has said that the area will look like a golf course next year. The camping area will be perfect and set up with camping gear for all who attend.
Below are the final results in all classes. Thanks again for a fantastic weekend.
Rusty Riley
F-6 Racing

Final Results
Street Luge

Place Name Country
1. John Fryer United States
2. Andy Lally United States
3. Ryan James United States
4. Gerhard Lanz Austria
5. Tom Mason United States
6. Rusty Riley United States
7. David Fielden United States
8. Chris McBride United States
9. Bill Smirtic United States
10 Jeremy Gilder United Kingdom
11. Paul Busse United States
12. Wally Hoffman United States
13. Brandon Perkins United States
14. Matt Siron United States
15. Kang Sin Bim Korea
16. Christy Yi Korea
17. Pete Eliot United Kingdom
18. Rick Riley United State

Downhill Inline Skating

Place Name Country
1. Dan Burger United States
2. Robert Wurgraft United States
3. Warren Focke United States
4. Scott Peer United States

Downhill Skateboarding

Place Name Country
1. Rick Kludy United States
2. Werner Bucheral Austria
3. Doug Dupin United States

Stock Gravity Bike

Place Name Country
1. John Travis Hans United States
2. Eddie Villanueva United States
3. Matt Siron United States

Classic Luge

Place Name Country
1. Andy Lally United States
2. Jeremy Gilder United Kingdom
3. John Fryer United States
4. Werner Bucheral Austria
5. Rusty Riley United States
6. David Fielden United States
7. Chris McBride United States
8. Gerhard Lanz Austria
9. Tom Mason United States
10. Pete Love United Kingdom
11. Pete Eliot United Kingdom
12. Scott Peer United States
Subject: wheels test


Author:
william
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Date Posted: 08:56:13 06/19/02 Wed

Discover on www.streetluging.net, a streetluge wheels test. Kryptonics, ABEC 11, Exkate are in competition. This test has been realised by Manu Antuna. Thanks, see you
Subject: Wheels for sale


Author:
Pete Eliot
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Date Posted: 08:43:45 04/28/02 Sun

22 Cherry Bombs
18 Krypto race cores (76mm)
6 Kryptos 85mm

varying degrees of wear but vast majority have no more than one race weekend's worth of use. 2 of the 85mm kryptos are brand new, the rest, and a lot of the 76mms, still have the seam (is that the right word?) protruding / visible.
Highest offer gets as many as they want.
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Subject: Race info


Author:
Sirmysticman
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Date Posted: 07:09:10 06/17/02 Mon

Hey all I have built two gravity bikes and am lookiing to race them, but I have had a hard time finding out when and were the races are could anyone help me with the next few dates and were the races will be, I am from Canada

Sirmysticamn
Subject: How do I find out about local events?


Author:
Jo
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Date Posted: 14:06:42 06/14/02 Fri

Heya all,
I was just wondering, how do I find out about local UK gravitybiking events, most specifically in the Surrey area? I know someone thats just built their first bike with some help from this site, and needed to find some fairly local events to go along to to get the gist of things. If anyone can help, either by telling me where I can find out or of any events already planned, that would be superb.
Thanks guys
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Subject: Cheers


Author:
Ben Slaughter
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Date Posted: 13:40:50 06/16/02 Sun

A late but BIG thankyou to Chris and everyone else involved with the HWE this year!. I had an absolutely brilliant time and so did my family! Cheers guys, Ben Slaughter & Family
Subject: Chalky..give me a bell?


Author:
Derek Round
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Date Posted: 14:14:27 06/12/02 Wed

Hi Chalky,
Hope you are getting better...and better...and better.
Seriously, I would like to talk technical, as we are geographically not too far apart, so give me a ring on 01274 818114, and/or e-mail me on derek@derekandirisround.fsnet.co.uk
All the best
Derek Round
Subject: Just got back.


Author:
Mr. Cool
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Date Posted: 02:37:42 06/12/02 Wed

Hi dudes,

I've just got back from Scotland. Had a top time, thanks to everyone who was there in the bar making it a good crack. Extra thanks to Chris and his crew for organising it, roll on next year!

Thanks also to everyone who sent in their details for the programme. If funds allow there will be another one for next year, but I promise you'll get more notice for sending stuff in. Thanks to everyone who advertised too.

That's all for now. Keep off the grass.

MC
Subject: Results of Highland Wheels Extreme 2002


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 15:13:55 06/10/02 Mon

Sorry its taken a while to get these up.I only got back from Aviemore on Sunday after the clean up.
Results are at www.gravitysports.co.uk/results2002.htm
A HUGE thanks to everyone who helped, all the marshalls,all those who helped set up the course and helped take it down, especially John Croft who stuck with me for 12 hours through all weathers to load the 1440 bales back onto trailers.Thanks to Eric and Jet for the smooth running of the event, thanks to Batesy and all my friends and family for their help and support,thanks to buddy Darren for all his help with the speedsticks (which are the best thing since sliced bread)and Arlene for being Arlene ,Kent and Mark for their pics and last but by no means least THANK YOU to all the riders for making the event such a success with NO sanctioning body OR peg ruling OR political bullshit but LOADS AND LOADS OF RACING AND FUN!
Subject: wiscombe event 22-23 june 2002


Author:
luke
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Date Posted: 04:09:01 06/10/02 Mon

22-23 June 2002
Wiscombe Park Honiton North Devon
Hillclimb circuit
ATB mag Round 2 UK off-road boarding series

www.atbsports.co.uk
Mountainboard event, with boardercross, and freestyle
1st round of the UK Dirtsurfers Race

Demo Events (for fun and for people to try out)
Stand-up downhill
Slalom
Also possible (dependent on interest from riders)
Gravity Bike
Butt Board
Street luge

Camping on site available


For more infomation see website www.atbsports.co.uk
or contact luke
mail@skatemore.fsnet.co.uk
Subject: thanks and regards


Author:
Tommy
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Date Posted: 03:52:26 06/09/02 Sun

Hello all !
Aviemore was again a great break from the "normal" :-)
Just wanted to say thank you to the complete team at gravitysports.co.uk including every helping hand and rider.
It was a pleasure to see all the people again and it makes me already excited when looking forward to next years highland wheels extreme ! I hope to see some of you during this summer on the continent !?
Have a nice one and all the best, cheers Tommy

(PS: special thanks to Chalky for the "red-you-know-what")
Subject: Avimore 2002


Author:
John C
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Date Posted: 09:51:51 06/08/02 Sat

A big thank you from me, to all the marshals in Avimore a job well done.Most of the positions have already been clamed for next year so if your interested contact me soon.
The job was made a lot easier by the pure professionalism of all the riders the way you all behaved was a credit to your sport. Hope to see you all next year
Subject: Aviemore


Author:
kat
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Date Posted: 14:00:05 06/07/02 Fri


just thought id say i met all the sexy lads when i was on holiday and they were all very nice, crazy though but still sexy. you can gaurentee i will be threr next year
Subject: Photos now posted


Author:
Todd O'Neill
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Date Posted: 09:33:01 06/07/02 Fri

Er... I'm sorry if this message is spammy but... there are a few photos of the Highland Extreme 2002 posted onto the 'streetluge - gallery' section of www.DoctorDanger.com

Thanks again Chris, Jo and co. for organising such a great event!

Cheers
Todd
p.s. I survived that Cheese Rolling thing in Gloucestershire on Tuesday. It was mad. There were 4 races (with 15 in each) and after every race someone was karted away in an ambulance. The guy beside me broke his leg, someone else split their head open... cripes it makes streetluging look sane!
Subject: Aviemore


Author:
John Fritz
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Date Posted: 02:25:15 06/07/02 Fri

I would like to thank Chris, and the entire crew including the towns people of Aviemore for putting on a great show. It was one of the greatest races I have gone to, and you can guarenty my return for next year, It makes the poor man feel as though he is on the F1 circuit and thanks to all the racers for your hospitality and racing, street luge and go kart.
John Fritz
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Subject: Much Thanks


Author:
Derek and Ian Round
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Date Posted: 13:03:16 06/05/02 Wed

Just a massive THANKYOU to Chris and all the crew and helpers. What a superbly organised event!
And we hope to see more competition next year for the 3/4 faired gravity bike event?
Get building!!
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Subject: Tell me something, and I will pay you lots of cash


Author:
Arnold
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Date Posted: 11:43:16 06/06/02 Thu

Hello sports lovers,

You could use the cash for any sports you like.

Are you (or someone you know) planning to sell a house or any real property (preferably located in Southern California area)? Please let me know. I will reward you with substantial $$ cash in return, once I sell the property.

Cheers,
Subject: Stand up at Aviemore


Author:
Steve Mobbs
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Date Posted: 08:28:19 06/06/02 Thu

Firstly, thanks for another excellent race! One reason we Stand-Up riders managed to enjoy it so much was down to the understanding and common sense shown by the organisers. The hill attracted many more UK riders this year, and proved to be a bit of a shock to them! It was great that they were given the opportunity to practice in gradients moving up the hill and I think the organisors and more experienced riders deserve credit in acknowledging this and not forcing the start from the top, which would have put the rest out of the game straight away!

Thanks again to everyone!!

PS> those stills that were running throught the pc on the party night, where did they come from?

Cheers
Steve
Subject: HWE 2002


Author:
Jamie
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Date Posted: 02:17:37 06/06/02 Thu

Thanks to Chris and everybody else for such a great event, the whole weekend was fantastic fun, looking forward to next year already.
Subject: awesome weekend


Author:
ross snowdon
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Date Posted: 01:39:15 06/06/02 Thu

HEY CHRIS THANKS ALLOT FOR A REALLY COOL WEEKEND, I WILL DEFINATELY BE BACK NEXT YEAR, KEEP WELL AND ILL SEE YOU SOON I SUPPOSE. A BIG CONGRATULATIONS TO EVERYONE THAT PUT A HAND IN, IT TURNED OUT REALLY WELL.

ROSS.

PLS LET ME KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY PICS OR VIDS.
Subject: S GAMES


Author:
Aldo
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Date Posted: 00:53:33 06/06/02 Thu

HELLO!!!! there are still Two slots available to participate at Trials 15th June.
I tell you our place: we are by the beach, girls and fun, there's the city, the entire hill is right Rimini, not a close country.
There's www.fitnessfestival.it, parties, S GAMES !
What are you waiting, the course is unbelievable! After IGSA grid, you can search best position until San Fortunato's Turn and being trusted accellerating 'till the finish line and runout area.
Two Red Bull arcs and one of RiminiSportTOCoast to pass through out of each sector at full speed!
Two Categories (Dirt Surf entries will be posted soon by Skizzo) and two NASCAR walls.

Racers bring hardware for a straight course, drag and not for traction in turns.

Plan to arrive in Rimini by Friday 14th.
There's also a technical track with two real Jumps! the day after IGSA National Championship.
Tomorrow I will go to Rimini (all is perfect!)and have last conference at Rimini City Council, I need all your names
Thank you and see you in Italy!
Aldo Grippaldi
ag@broox.it

URL: www.stream-games.com

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Summer S-Games RIMINI, 2002
Subject: Jealousy


Author:
Richard
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Date Posted: 13:45:52 06/05/02 Wed

Hello Everyone

Well it seems like you had an awesome race. Well done to all competitors. I wish I could have been there.

Richard
Subject: Fort William road


Author:
Hod again
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Date Posted: 10:48:17 06/05/02 Wed

Folks

Chris McBride and I went to Fort Willima yesterday to check out the road there. When we found the right one, it was quite good, but only wide enough for 2 ppl. Could be fun, with some drafting at the end (after a narrow cattle grid-with-bypass, possible to overcome). The fast section ends in a very built up area so is limited in its length.

Chris Mcb reckons it's good enought to hold a regional chammps on it, and there are soem good tight turns at the top., with decent gradient too, and hillocks. Maybe 40mph+ (have to brake for turns...)

Top section is about 0.3 miles, according to Chris's hirecar odometer, but the straight, wide run out after the cattle grid could double it, depending on built-up area people/trtaffic management issues.

Looks fun, anyway, and there are a couple of short fun runs down the back of the same hill too :)
Subject: HWE 2002 final race resume from the back of the grid...


Author:
Hod
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Date Posted: 10:30:23 06/05/02 Wed

Thanks again to Chris, and his helpers and marshals, for creating a downhill institution.

OK, some of the details in the followign may be shaky, but here goes:

OK, from memory, until we get the official results, we can add to and correct previous incomplete/provisional guess qualifying and results postings :-) filing in the gaps. Here's my go:

Buttboard final:
I cannot remember much about this as the luge races and adrenaline have wiped large chunks of my memory. Not as eventful as the luge race, but Dave Auld only came 6th bacuse he hit gravel on a too-shaky gunbarrel exit. After Gunbarrel I do't believe there ere any significant changes to the final positions, much to my chagrin. There was much synchronised arm-flailing and wobbling as 5th place Hod copied almost every movement 4th place McBride did rathern than concentrate on passing him. The first three were just wonderful, as usual, Jerry taking the first ever UK home podium on buttboard or luge (still yet to happen).

But first, the StreetLuge final:
A really close race, and great fun for spectators and participants alike. It had something for everybody, and all the hallmarks of a classic. A non-injuring crash, drafting galore, 4 or 5 riders arriving at the two sharpest corners at once, and Dave Rogers practiaclly leadig from start to finish. Well, you can't have everything ;-) and in fact Dave was under pressure throughout.

I got the best view in the house, laying in 5th or 6th most of the way down. I recommend this tactic, which may not be best for winning (though it could get u a podium if you have the experience) as the best show on earth...

At the start, five in a row all the way down, getting identical starts, (except yours truly, weakling arms, abysmally a couple of yards behind). Into the first corner (Gunbarrel) some sorting occured, naturally, the order exiting roughly being Rogers, Eliot, Kahn, Lott, Hodkinson, Auld. Hod then stuffed up a passing manoeuvre on Lott at the end of the flat section coming into Sugar Bowl, overbraking and allowing Auld to pass him on the outside coming through Sugar Bowl.

Ahead in the straight coming down towards the juice box, accelerating fast, the order was Rogers, closely followed by Eliot, Lott, Auld entering the juice box together, and Kahn just behind, with Hod trailing by a few yards.

the crush at the juice box (juice crush?) allowed Kahn and Hod to catch the pack by the bottom end of the course, the somewhat heavier Hodkinson bombing up from behind and drafting Kahn to the left halfway up the penultimate straight, then near the end finding three abreast, something like Auld to the left, Lott in the middle and (slightly trailing, he is a light chappie) Eliot to the right, blocking up most of the road.

What to do? Just a second or so to think (duuuuh.. oops), so just before the last corner, Eliot being the closest bod, Hod drafts Eliot up the right hand (inside) just before and through the last corner. Eliot gives him a good bumping, but he gets through (all those pies, you see), but now (and maybe not anyway tot ell truth, and now we'll never know) unable to catch Lott before the finish line. Hod still wondering if he should have gone left.

Meanwhile, Dave Auld drafted and passed Lott, on the last corner, to end up in 2nd, indeed just a second or so in time behind the inimitable Dave Rogers, and then in line, Lott, Hodkinson, Eliot, all practically head to toe.

Kahn in the meanwhile, had been drafting Hod after being overtaken, and when Hod went right past Eliot, Kahn went left to the outside. Unfortunately, he caught his footpegs (those darn things again) on Eliot's board and went backwards off the outside of the corner. Spectacular, and happily not injured at all... In fact he was jumping with glee as is his general happy habit, and crossed the line a few seconds later picked himself up and trundled across the line kneeling on his luge and grinning like a leprechaun. That boy, no, man, is a great competitor. Somebody please bottle what Jeremy's on and give it to some of our glummer friends and the world may be a happier place ;-).

Finally, taking it for granted that Dave Rogers walks on water, of course, I'd like to applaud Dave Auld's run from 6th to 2nd after a terrible Gunbarrel exit as perhaps the finest performance here.

Definite Results: StreetLuge
1. Dave Rogers
2. Dave Auld
3. Darren Lott
4. Richard Hodkinson
5. Pete Eliot
6. Jeremy Kahn

Definite Results: ButtBoard
1. Darren Lott
2. Dave Rogers
3. Jeremy Gilder (Hooray, a Brit gets a medal!)
4. Chris McBride
5. Richard Hodkinson
6. Dave Auld

streetluge qualifying times.
Dave Rogers 2.33.17
Dave Auld 2.36.93
Jeremy Kahn 2.37.63
Darren Lott 2.39.99
Peter Eliot 2.39.99
Richard Hodkinson (about 2.40)
Jeremy Gilder (about 2.48)
Chris McBride (?)
...

Buttboard qualifying times
Darren Lott 2.43.73
Dave Rogers 2.47.13
Dave Auld 2.48.19
Richard Hodkinson (about 2.56)
Jeremy Gilder (?)
...
Subject: HWE 2002


Author:
Pete Love
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Date Posted: 09:33:42 06/05/02 Wed

Just to add my vote of thanks for HWE 2002. It was well worth the trip from the states, even if Chris did beat me this year.....


Pete
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Subject: tv crew


Author:
barry
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Date Posted: 08:31:12 06/05/02 Wed

Just a quick thanks to all involved with HWE this year. Hopefully you saw that we got some great footage on sunday night - and we only looked at half the tapes!!
Cheers for all the help but next year can we have a tv crew run? - it drives us mad watching all you guys having fun - I want a go at that hill!!
If anyone has any good footage that may be of use send them to me and we will copy it and send the tape back to you.

Cheers again, a great weekend, Barry and all the crew.
Barry Clark
Head of Sport
Lightage Ltd
Lawnhurst
826 Wilmslow Road
Didsbury
Manchester
M20 2RN

Tel 0161 434 1222
Subject: Aviemore........marshall 6 in the "Juice Box"


Author:
Mac
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Date Posted: 05:14:53 06/05/02 Wed

Well done to all who made The Highland Wheels Extreme a fantastic spectacle. Organisers, riders, marshalls and spectators. Marshalling at the Juice Box was again full of exciting competetive riding and the best crashes on the course.....sadistic as it may be.....but it all adds to the entertainment. The straw bails done the job and some riders made good use of them....albeit unintentionally. Speeds measured by the Police using radar guns reached 67 mph at the Juice Box which was an awesome sight. looking forward to next year (if it happens......surely it must).

Marshall 6....at the JUICE BOX
MAC.
Subject: TEN DAYS TO TALIMENA!!!


Author:
RWR
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Date Posted: 22:28:01 06/04/02 Tue

The Talimena Drive Xtreme Downhill is only ten days away! F-6 Racing has received the permit from the United States Forest Dept. Its seven pages long! (Your tax dollars hard at work). The weather is warming up in Oklahoma; the rains have turned everything green. The Talimena Drive is an awesome site for this first annual event.

June 15th and 16th will be a weekend to remember. We have the course and will host the best racers in the world. 1.1miles of smooth blacktop will bring you to speeds in the low to mid 60s while the braking curves will challenge even the greatest racers. The course workers are ready, the state of Oklahoma is ready and now that the US Government has given permission to use our National Forest, LET THE RACES BEGIN!

All arrangements have been made for the athletes. Lunches will be catered upon request. The party on Saturday night is finalized. (Bring the cameras) Red Bull is ready. Randall Trucks and Terminator Bearings have provided merchandise to sweeten the prize purse. We are still working on some wheel manufactures.

Accommodations are plentiful. The list of hotels/motels is on the race info located at www.f6racing.com. A new hotel opened in Poteau, OK. The Days Inn. You can reach them through this link, http://www.the.daysinn.com/poteau13859/hotelhome/. Mention the race and you will receive a 15% discount. Many racers, including most of the F-6 team will be camping at the Winding Stair Campgrounds, located at the top of the racecourse. Many flights have been confirmed from the west coast for as little as $215.

If you have any questions about the event, travel arrangements, accommodations or any thing else you can think of, don’t hesitate to contact us.

Rusty Riley
F-6 Racing
Subject: Thanks


Author:
Pete Eliot
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Date Posted: 15:03:48 06/04/02 Tue

Thanks Chris, Jo, Eric, Jet, John * 2, Doe and all the marshalls for another superb event. See you all again next year.
Subject: Well done Chris! That was a fantastic event!


Author:
Todd O'Neill
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Date Posted: 14:45:58 06/04/02 Tue

WOW! Many thanks to Chris, Joe, John, Eric, Jet and everyone else who made this years Highland Extreme such a great success. I thought it would have been impossible to top last years event but you most certainly did it!

Please book me a place for next years event!

Thanks again

Todd
Subject: Aviemore......


Author:
Jim Ewen
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Date Posted: 09:43:47 06/04/02 Tue


Hing oan a meenit...ah'll jist hiv tae find the richt button on ma keyboarrrrd tae converrrrt this text frae Scottish tae UK English.....wheesht fir a meenit.....it's a wee bit stoorrry....(Click) Ah; much better.......right.....

Dear All,

As (probably) one of the first guys to get back home, can I open up by repeating a BIG round of thanks to Chris, the organisers, marshals, supporters, helpers-out, other competitors, and generally everyone who made the Aviemore event a great success. I suspect I'll also be speaking for my two other countrymen who made up the local entry, ('Team JockLuge?...or maybe team ScotLandLuge?.....any other ideas?). We were all 'big race virgins', but the Glenmore road was How To Lose It In Style...in more ways than one!

We really appreciated the advice and support from the more experienced guys, and our times came up to 'respectable' (well, we think they were!) by the end of the weekend. Our 'more appropriate' names started to appear; Douglas Elder became 'Straw Magnet', and 'Flying Scotsman' was mentioned more than once, (though I think that related to my luge-less flight after the Juice Box rather than speed with the luge!)

There were other benefits; we picked up names of a number of Scottish guys interested in starting gravity sports; this would not have happened had this event not taken place. There were no locals in 2001, three this year, so next year....?

One closing favour; can someone from N. Yorkshire area pls. poke Chalky in his least good ankle with a sharp stick. In his Monday am hangover therapy / breakfast session he was planting ideas in my head for two man luges, sidecar gravitybikes etc.....my project list has just got longer.....

Thanks again everybody; it was great! Hope to see you all, and more, next year

J
Subject: www.streetrace.at.tt


Author:
tomse - the unscared lugers
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Date Posted: 07:34:11 06/04/02 Tue

look to our homepage: www.streetrace.at.tt
Subject: MINT


Author:
Andy & Stephen Hawkins
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Date Posted: 16:54:25 06/03/02 Mon

Cheers Chris & Joby. It was Mint
Subject: good luck to everyone, especially Fritz the crazy canuck!!


Author:
rob leblanc
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Date Posted: 20:53:38 06/01/02 Sat

hey gang, go fast, turn when you need to, and keep it safe.
if anybody there bumps into john fritz from vancouver, tell him to kick assphalt!
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Subject: Highland Wheels Xtreme 2002


Author:
Jet and Eric
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Date Posted: 14:40:39 06/03/02 Mon

Hi all
Just a quick message from your Highland Wheels Xtreme starter (Jet) and coordinator (Eric). Thanks to everyone who came to Scotland and provided such exciting (and close!) racing. We had a great time and hope you did too - thanks for putting up with us!

Once again the months of effort and hard work by Chris Beard (and Jobie) resulted in a great event.
Well done Chris!!

Till next year...

Jet and Eric.
Subject: Doubles


Author:
Bryan
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Date Posted: 23:44:01 04/24/02 Wed

Does anyone know if there has ever been an attempt at doubles street luge? Also anyone got a decent luge for sale??
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Subject: Thanks for the great event!


Author:
Douglas Elder
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Date Posted: 09:48:29 06/03/02 Mon

Chris that was the most fun i have had in a long time. Great event and it was most appreciated. I just want to thank everyone that was involved in the running of it as it seemed to go really smoothly. Well done to all the competitors and i hope to see everyone in aviemore next year.

Cheers
Subject: Skeleton Street Sled


Author:
Cameron Baumgart
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Date Posted: 19:39:25 06/01/02 Sat

RevoLUGEn' Gravity Sports "Skeletons Street Sled" & "Boomless Luge" are going fast. Abec 11's standard and brakes available. ALL KINDS OF UP-GRADES! so E-mail for more info. RevoLUGEn@yahoo.com -Cam
Subject: Skeleton Street Sled


Author:
Cameron Baumgart
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Date Posted: 19:38:16 06/01/02 Sat

RevoLUGEn' Gravity Sports "Skeletons Street Sled" & "Boomless Luge" are going fast. Abec 11's standard and brakes available. ALL KINDS OF UP-GRADES! so E-mail for more info. -Cam
Subject: Highland Wheels Extreme news


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 17:10:33 06/01/02 Sat

streetluge qualifying times.
Dave Rogers 2.33.17
Dave Auld 2.36.93
Jeremy Kahn 2.37.63
Darren Lott 2.39.99
Peter Eliot 2.39.99

Buttboard
Darren Lott 2.43.73
Dave Rogers 2.47.13
Dave Auld 2.48.19
Subject: update


Author:
william
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Date Posted: 23:35:20 05/31/02 Fri

Hi,
Have a look at www.streetluging.net
2 lugers have been added.

There's also the giveaway result
Thanks, see you
ps: Good luck to all the guys who race at Aviemore!
Subject: S GAMES Presentation


Author:
Aldo Grippaldi
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Date Posted: 00:02:35 05/31/02 Fri

Dear Friends,
I am glad to announce the upcoming Summer S GAMES action sports festival in Rimini.
The City of Rimini represents the capital of Italy in Summer and this was the reason we designed this Name: Italy sends the impulse, be ready to receive the stream.
Among new disciplines MBT-Speedway and Dirt Surf: we want to add popularity in particular to this one come from Australia.
I am the sport organizer for Street Luge at Red Bull Trials; for info about Dirt Surf you can contact Franco Favretto (Email: rollerjet@libero.it). Only 24 Racers can compete both in SLR and DSR this year and if you want to participate contact me before 4th June. On being your slot confirmed, plan to arrive in Rimini by Freeday 14th.
There's no Entry Fee at Stream Games, Downhill categories are DUAL and MASS for Street Luge and 4-man for Dirt Surf.
The DH Course is progressively accellerating, completely straight but two fast turns and we are preparing a entire hill: parkings at the bottom will be fully connected to all different sectors for Spectators, with many Volunteers for one of the most important sport event in Italy. TV Highlights and Footage are distributed around the world by the same Partner of the Big Air in S.F. and the Down Rio. On production, a VHS-DVD movie for I.S.E. (www.italiasurfexpo.it Film Festival).
Street Luge event gets the Status as IGSA Nationals: hope you will get the roster and compete with a dozen of best Italian Pilots and get hundreds points in the IGSA World Championship.
You have the possibility to get at Trials forthcoming Pro-hardware before being distributed!
Thank you for paying attention and each person who help in this project.
We look forward to your participation in Rimini.

Sincerely,

Aldo Grippaldi
S GAMES Producer

cc: Aldo Grippaldi
ag@broox.it

URL: www.stream-games.com

-------------------------------------------------------
Summer S-Games RIMINI, 2002
Subject: Pete Elliot's Lap top


Author:
Nick Kennedy
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Date Posted: 11:06:15 05/29/02 Wed

Pete has forgotten the power supply for his laptop that he's taking to scotland. Can you help him out?

If so, call him on +44 (0)7768 894517.

It's a Toshiba Portege.

TIA

N
Subject: Aviemore Cheers


Author:
Bob Swartz
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Date Posted: 15:03:32 05/28/02 Tue

Cheers to all the competitors, organizers, and friends at Aviemore this year. I will be there in heart and soul but not in person due to a race injury to my tibia and foot (ask Dr Love). Take lots of picts and good video so I can feel the Scotish Flavor of this event.

Driving my wife nuts with my fake bagpipe sounds
bob
PS Good luck to the Aviemore Crew if you guys had decided to compete this year.
Subject: Stuff


Author:
Pete Love
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Date Posted: 00:04:49 05/27/02 Mon

3 hrs till my cab arrives, finally packed all my stuff. Just to let Chris, Jerry, and Pete know that I have the stuff you wanted mostly, but couldn't have brought any more anyway. Oh, and Jimmy Pouzet - I have your helmet.

No sleep, lots of heavy bags, must be an international luging trip. But I'm going to the UK.......

See you there

Pete
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Subject: Highland wheels extreme


Author:
Bryan
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Date Posted: 06:16:09 05/27/02 Mon

Hey! just wana say good luck to everyone whos at aviemore, hope everything goes well which im sure will. Cant be there this year as the missus is dragging us abroad, but will defo be there next year to kick everyones fat ASS!

Good luck boys!

Bryan
Subject: !!!!! TALIMENA DRIVE UPDATE !!!!!


Author:
RWR
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Date Posted: 16:08:08 05/25/02 Sat

There are only three weeks until the first annual Talimena Drive Xtreme Downhill. The details are in their final stage. The United States Forestry Dept is making sure we have all of our ducks in a row. Oklahoma is excited about having racers from all over the world to compete on June 15th and 16th.

The Talimena Drive Xtreme Downhill was originally scheduled as the US National Championship but has been upgraded to World Cup status by the IGSA. The event is also a World Cup for the IIDA and the GBA. We have been told to expect all of the top ranked racers in the world. The event will be filmed and produced by Drop In TV. This is the same production company that films Hot Heels. We are very excited about having this first year event documented for us all to remember. The press will be on site and we will need volunteers to provide interviews, if you are interested please let me know.

As scheduled, registration and tech inspection will begin on Friday the 14th. Due to the high number of entries expected we will have to open registration and tech around 2pm. Please come early to beat the rush and have all of your race and safety gear ready. Registration and tech will be available on Saturday morning as well and then practice will begin. Practice will run as quickly as possible to allow a maximum number of runs for everyone. Qualifying will be that afternoon with racing on Sunday. We are expecting a very large spectator turnout and now with Drop In TV filming us, it will prove to be an incredible time on the hill.

We are working on a couple of surprises along the way, like the racers party on Saturday night! This party is open to all that want to attend. You can purchase meal tickets at the registration tent. Food is so far from the racecourse so we are working on having lunches catered for the racers on Saturday and Sunday for a small fee. Lunch tickets will also be available at the registration tent.

Its time to mail in your entry! You can avoid a late fee by having your entry form postmarked by June 3rd, and remember that $25 of each entry fee goes towards a prize purse for that discipline. Print out the attached entry form and get ready to race on what will become one of the best downhill courses in the world!

SEE YOU ON THE TALIMENA DRIVE!!!

Rusty Riley
F-6 Racing
rusty@f6racing.com
918-230-1530
Subject: Highland Wheels Extreme news


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 14:52:53 05/22/02 Wed

With only 8 days to go the Gravity Sports team are preparing for their 8 hour trek to Aviemore. First job is to pick up some early arrivals from the USA on Sunday before starting course building on Monday morning. This of course provides much needed physical training!! so as to give other people a chance of race glory.(As we will be to Knackered!)
Don't forget Lightage Productions will be filming you all, so if you want to see if you have made the final cut, you'll have to wait until October 19th at 11.30 am on CH4 (that's Saturday).
So if you have not already entered time is running out for you wanna be media groupies. Your sport needs you so get entered at Gravitysports.co.uk
On a safety note all who have entered must have their leathers and full face helmet as these are compulsary, so don't leave home without them!!!
There will be riders meetings each evening starting on 30th May at approx 9.00pm at The Freedom Inn. Scrutineering of your trusty steeds will start at 7.45 pm also at The Freedom Inn.
If you do not intend to show up and have entered please let us know asap at Chris@gravitysports.co.uk
Contact numbers Chris 07977975112 and John 07831564044 if any assistance is required.
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Subject: Aviemore.....TRAVEL


Author:
Mac
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Date Posted: 10:28:57 05/24/02 Fri

Hi all,
I am setting off to Aviemore on WEDNESDAY 29th MAY from the Liverpool area. If i can be of any help to anybody getting you or your equipment to Scotland e-mail me. I have room for a person and equipment (luge, gravity bike etc) as I'm going up in a van. I will be going via M62,M6 then A9. I will not divert from these main roads, so If you want a lift or want to get equipment to me it will only be on these main routes.

Happy travelling

Mac.
Subject: Looking for a lift


Author:
neil
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Date Posted: 14:07:47 05/23/02 Thu

I'm trying to get a lift to / from Aviemore from anywhere near London (west)/ rading / oxford

I've got a probable ride THERE but I need some help getting back home. My kit should be taken care of so it's just a seat I need.

If anyone can help, please email me at hippyneil@yahoo.co.uk

Cheers

Neil

PS I'm quite happy to share the driving too! (Don't worry, I'm covered 3rd party for any car)
Subject: Chevys Pub


Author:
Todd O'Neill
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Date Posted: 07:07:12 05/08/02 Wed

Hi Chris

Do you know if Chevys Pub is still under the same management? Last year the staff there overserved Neil and I then for some unknown reason they chucked us out and wouldn't let us back in. Jee-sh!
Perhaps I could wear a disguise... does any one have a cow costume I could borrow? Failing that perhaps a wilderbeast suit would do...
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Subject: New Streetluge Web site with Sweet Gear


Author:
Dean
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Date Posted: 02:39:23 05/21/02 Tue

What's up People,

I have never seen a streetluge shirt before. But these ones look sweet. Other stuff there too. http://www.cafepress.com/streetluge West La was cool this weekend they switched the course so there was a fun s at the bottom and you had to brake in both turns. West La is fun because it leaves zero room for error if you make one mistake it is all over for you. Non of the Streetlugers Showed up to give Jason Johnson a run for the Win. Two spots on the posium whent unchallenged. Too bad for you all who missed the fun. The race in Ohio should be the bomb. Red bull is suposed to show and bands the works. I was told it would be a big party. Oh well enough of my rant you guys keep the wheels on the road and the leathers clean.

See you at the races.

Dean
Subject: Hot Heels only 7 weeks away !!


Author:
gerhard
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Date Posted: 04:20:00 05/20/02 Mon

Hey World Champions out there !!

Hot Heels is only 7 weeks away.

If you haven´t signed in yet please go to www.hotheels.net. Also i like to inform all of you that if you like to safe some bucks you can enter early.
Please check out on the news page // Fees !!! Prices !! Costs!!! Preise !!!

Here you will find our Hot Heels account were you are able to pay your entry fee early and safe up to 92.-- Euros.

If you have any questions please don´t hesitate and email me asap or check out the contact sheet if you need to email anybody else. All people which are posted would love to get an email from you and help out.

Last but not least the weather forcast for july looks good. In the week of Hot Heels we will have full moon and hopefully the greatest freeride session on the planet. Therefore the last 500 meters are prepared with lights for the 03.00 morning session after the parties.

cheers and can´t wait to see you guys again at Hot Heels in Kaunertal Austria.

yours Gerhard.
Subject: Highland Wheels Extreme info


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 16:29:03 05/05/02 Sun

Aviemore will soon be here so listed below is some useful information if you have entered the race.
But don't forget that after the race why not stick around for a few days and chill out maybe take a trip up to Loch Ness.
There are lots of sights and things to do and see around Aviemore.


This is what you need to do if you are coming to The Highland Wheels Extreme.

We still need rider info and pictures.
This year Mark is putting a program together for the race and spectators.
What we need from you,if you have entered,are a few basic details and pictures which you then e mail to Mark.
m.warrender@btoo.com
We need to have this info in the next 7 days or you won't get in.

Name.....
Age........
Country...
Disciplines entered.......
Injuries.........
Words to live by...... (Be polite please!).
Sponsors............

I will also need a passport type photo, preferably a head shot(clean pics only) and also picture of you in your leathers
(action pic) this will give the spectators an idea of who you are.

If anyone one wants to advertise in the program e-mail Mark, prices start from £35 for 1/4 page.

You'll need to confirm your Hotel booking.
How many nights you are staying
Arrival and depart dates

I know you where asked this on the entry form but this was to give the hotel rough numbers for block booking of rooms.
If any of the single riders are willing to share please let the Freedom Inn know.

Contact detail for the Freedom Inn.

Email: info@freedominn-hotel-aviemore.com Quote: Highland wheels extreme

Freedom Inn Aviemore Mountain Resort Aviemore PH22 1PF
Tel: 01479 810781 Fax: 01479 811167

There is also camping about 200m from the finish area with full facilities.

I also need flight details for arrival at Inverness airport.We can arrange to collect you from Inverness provided you let us
know.But we do ask that if your flight has only a couple of people on it that we may wait until the next flight comes in
to save on journey time as this is a 2 hour trip.
Remember the people that collect you are volunteers and will help you in any way they can.
For those who have to transfer airports I would STRONGLY SUGGEST that you personally check your luggage in
at each leg of your journey.
This was the main reason for luggage disappearing last year.

RULES.
http://www.gravitysports.co.uk/rules.htm Read these!!
There are some basic rules for the race which I believe are for safety and fair play.
FULL FACE HELMETS AND LEATHERS ARE COMPULSORY.
No late entries.You have to be there before 8.30 am 31st May.

This event is run on a tight budget which is not covered by just the entry fee so I ask those who are in the UK
help me out here by sending their entry fee before the race to help with cash flow in the next 14 days.
The main reason for this is that other funds do not become available untill after the race and there are No big
sponsors.
Make cheques payable to:
GRAVITY SPORTS
and post to;
9 West Vale
Little Neston
Cheshire
CH64 9SE

Contact details: 00 44 (0)151 353 1246
Mobile : 07977 975 112
John Bates : 07831 564 044 from the 25th May.

ALL NEW STREETLUGE GLOVE.
I have had these specially made with extra leather on the fingers for more protection.
These wil be available at £30 a pair.Pictures will be on the news page on the website very soon.



LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING YOU ALL SOON AT AVIEMORE
CHRIS BEARD.


Chris Beard
0151 353 1246
07977 975 112
www.Gravitysports.co.uk
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Subject: ITS TIME TO RACE!!!


Author:
RWR
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Date Posted: 22:01:09 05/15/02 Wed

ITS TIME TO RACE!!!!
The Talimena Drive Xtreme Downhill is only four weeks away! F-6 Racing has been going crazy taking care of all the details. Get ready to experience downhill racing as never before. I believe that we have one of, if not the best racecourses in North America. F-6 Racing, the United States Forestry Dept, the Oklahoma Department of Transportation and the residents of Leflore County in southeastern Oklahoma are anticipating a record breaking event. The media has been notified and Red Bull is ready! Now lets show everyone what gravity racing is all about!

The Talimena Drive Xtreme Downhill will be held on June 15th & 16th. The racecourse is 1.1 miles of high speed straight-aways and heart pounding corners that will challenge racers and thrill spectators. Registration is now open. Practice and qualifying will be held on Saturday the 15th for all disciplines. The racing will begin Sunday the 16th first thing in the morning. Saturday night will be one to remember with a racers party that you won't want to miss. Mark your calendars, send in your entry forms and we will see you in June on the Talimena Drive.

Rusty Riley
F-6 Racing
www.f6racing.com
Subject: HOT HEELS online again


Author:
Gerhard
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Date Posted: 12:05:15 05/15/02 Wed

Hi everybody,

well finaly its done. Hot Heels is online again.
Subject: be afraid ;-)


Author:
Tommy
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Date Posted: 10:34:38 05/02/02 Thu

Hey blokes,
just wanted to let you know that you should really practice a bit for aviemore because Jim and myself just booked our flights today :-)
So, looking forward to see ya again in a few weeks...
cheers
Tommy

PS: How are you Chalky ?, do you want me to bring some continental swabian beer to speed up your recovery ? :-)
Subject: HOT HEELS site is offline until wednesday next week


Author:
Gerhard
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Date Posted: 00:49:58 05/01/02 Wed

Hey everybody due the reason that my provider got broke, i need to change the provider ...

the hotheels page will be online again next week wednesday.

sorry for that. I was out of the office and meanwhile i got his mail.

cheers Gerhard.

if you need anything mailto:gerhard.lanz@aon.at

thanks Gerhard.
Subject: Custom Luges


Author:
Mat
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Date Posted: 08:04:13 04/30/02 Tue

Anyone interested in a new custom luge to be ready in time for Aviemore should contact me either via email or phone.

0794 114 2827

Mat.
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Subject: Giveaway: win a rocketluge tshirt


Author:
william
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Date Posted: 13:00:12 04/30/02 Tue

Hi everybody,
www.streetluging.net is updated with 2 riders + a giveaway.
I've just launched a monthly giveaway, this month you can win a Rocketluge Go Fast Sports tshirt, a hat, and energy drinks.
Go to the englidh version by clicking on the english flag.

See you
Subject: Aviemore; Getting there....


Author:
Jim Ewen
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Date Posted: 10:34:32 04/19/02 Fri


If you're travelling to Aviemore for the race, and not 'local', this may help.................

To Scotland; by road (from the South, I assume!) up the A9. Easy enough, but watch for speed cameras from Perth Northward; they have grown in number this year. Also there are more unmarked patrol cars in use now, as Spring is the time when the many mid-life crisis myopic bikers are smearing themselves all over the countryside.....The A1 East Coast is also well equipped with cameras, but the A7 from Carlisle to Edin. and the A74 Carlisle to Glagow-ish are both 'free'

To Scotland; by air, Flying to Inverness is really the best way, but it's a smaller airport with fewer flights than Aberdeen. Aberdeen is British Airways from London, or KLM / Northwest from Schipol, as well as Easy Jet etc. If you really must end up coming by this route, the rest might be relevant......If you are rail-ing it up here from England, you have no problems; enjoy the views.......

To Scotland: by air; once you get here, Aberdeen to Aviemore is the bitch; only 50 miles West, but could be a looooong 50 miles.....taxi from Airport to centre of town will be around $15

To Aberdeen; on the cheap; Lots of road freight goes up the East coast to Aberdeen (Fish and Oil related, mainly). If you are broke, chase up a haulier and see if they can help; I've got big deliveries / lifts up here this way for the cost of a couple of pints to the driver / his Boss etc.

Aberdeen to Aviemore; Car hire; probably best way

Aberdeen to Aviemore; by rail: do-able, but you need to change trains in Inverness to get to Aviemore. Service from Aberdeen is around hourly. Total journey takes around three hours and costs $40 / £27 return

Aberdeen to Aviemore; by bus; No. Sell a kidney first if economics are likely to force you do this, but if you are really strapped for $$$£££, this is a cheap option which will work....but take the Kwells with you. Again Aberdeen to Inverness, then change to Aviemore. Hourly service. Costs around <$27 / £18 return

In Aberdeen, the Bus station and the Rail station are next to each other. There is a Travel Lodge a two minute walk from the station, and the only two board shops in town both either a two or a three minute walk respectively....not a lot of stuff other than traditional skateboards, but they do stock bearings etc., and the guy will try to help. Nearest stockist of anything more exotic is Edinburgh, 130 miles south, though their stock is a little better

If you get into deep shit in the Aberdeen area for any reason, call me on 01569 731229 (House) or 01224 851255 (work) or 07719 475216 (Mobile) and I'll see if I can help. I'll be at Friday practice, but going home that night to come back across on Sat & Sunday, so if you have the misfortune to break any non-organic bits on the Friday, I can perhaps do some panic welding / straightening jobs for you. Find me if you need this. I'm one of the three Jocks who are entered to date, and chances are that we will be easily found as we will probably all look pasty and white next to the vast numbers of West Coast Yanks floating around.....! I can personally be found running perpetually at the back of the field on a luge. (The other local entrants will no doubt also help out anyone who is 'stuck'.....I'm sure we'll make ourselves known!)

Might not matter, but on Monday 3rd, it's Liz Windsor, Jolly Queen of England's Golden Jubilee, and many of the more Royalist organisations / places (even up here!) have declared a Public Holiday; some things might be closed / quiet on that day......

Chalky: Met you once at Dalby. Best of luck with your recovery, and I recommend design / fabrication time in your workshop as good therapy and rehabilitation for as long as you can't ride.... assume you will recycle the titanium into something useful?

Mr Cool: re. your pursuit of sponsorship / advertising for the event and the programme; try Granite Reef Boardriders in Aberdeen, Tel 01224 252752, or at www.granitereef.com . This guy spot on, is keen, and wants to try this sport. He might go for the £xx 'standard' ad, or the "better, new, improved Sponsor deal', of double the £xx and give him an opportunity trial on a luge?; he has a mo-bike thus has leathers and helmet. He will probably turn up over the weekend and might be on to give some wider support in xchange for exposure to his shop. These guys are also usually good for sponsor prizes from their stock...?

Will you have any advertising bumph? If I had not caught a BBC Scotland TV article last year, I'd never have know of the event. If you do get advertising printed, send me a swatch and I'll spread it around.

Other sponsor / advertiser options locally might be:-

Board Sports @ Urbanology Elgin, www.urbanology.demon.co.uk
Boarderline Aberdeen 01224 626996 www.boarderline.co.uk . (They have previously sponsored / supported roller hockey events we have held around here, and the owners have Aviemore connections, so they might be keen)

Boardwise, Lady Lawson St. Edinburgh, 0131 229 5887
Skate / Snow / Surf, www.espscotland.uk.com , Elgin
Craigdon Sports, Craigdon House, Inverurie, 01467 625855
There is a board shop in High Street, Aviemore; I assume you have them on board (sic). I'll chase up all / any from this end as I can

Hope some / any of this is useful

Cheers

J
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Subject: A Mountain Of Testimonials


Author:
Guy J
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Date Posted: 16:23:02 04/28/02 Sun

Here is a testimonial of Warren Focke, he flew out to NM to ride NM536, heres what he said:::::::

Sounds pretty darn fantastic to me. Especially the part about hanging out with Peter and Elaine. They're pretty entertaining.
Were there any hairpins that required hard braking maneuvers? Cross traffic? Did you have to pass or be passed by cars. Scott Peer and I got passed by a motorcycle on the front side of GMR last weekend. It was mortifying but we didn't have any throttle to twist and so had to accept our fate with seething humility.

By the way I'll be in town this coming Monday for the skate. I have a meeting in Los Altos in the morning and will hang in SF in the PM. I'm really looking forward to skating with you guys again.

Warren Focke wrote:

Executive summary: Fucking epic.
More details:

14 miles
+ 117 turns
+ 3800 ft drop
+ 1 skater
+ 25 minutes tuck time

= 1 big grin + 1 sore back

The pavement has a kinda rough surface, but is mostly in good shape as far
as potholes and such are concerned. There's a 1/4mile, 100 foot uphill in
the middle (by the ski place), so i'ts really 2 7-mile runs. Skated over
the middle bit the first time, skitched the next two.

There is surprisingly little air at 10700 feet.

I braked for most of the hairpins in the top half on all my runs.
Probably many of them could be done w/o braking with more experience on
the road. I braked once in the bottom half on my first run (Sunday), not
at all on the later two (Tuesday).

Top speed was 42.

Here's a map, it cuts off a bit at the bottom 'cause maptech has limited
scaling options:

http://mapserver.maptech.com/homepage/index.cfm?lat=35%2E19658&lon=%2D106%2E407&type=1&scale=100000&zoom=100&icon=0&

Note the ski lifts running alongside the top half.

This is the road where the EDI race is happening June 22-23. I don't know
where on the road it will be, though. More likely in the top half, since
that is more technical and is a deadend.

Major props to Justin Franklin (local luger) for rides up the hill and
bringing the place to my attention in the first place, and Peter and
Elaine Hebard (friends of George) for a ride and much hospitality. Turns
out Elaine and I went to the same elementary school (not at the same
time).

w
Subject: BGSA and AViemore


Author:
Pete Eliot
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Date Posted: 13:42:53 04/26/02 Fri

Aviemore is going to be the first BGSA race of the season. As such, I suggest that all the UK competitors should have to be paid-up members to race and thus help Chris on finances. Anybody have any views?
Subject: Highland Wheels Extreme


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 15:47:44 04/24/02 Wed


This is the second event to take place in Aviemore, the perfect setting offering a friendly community, superb scenery and the awesome Glenmore mountain road.
This is a World Championship race all the best riders will be there.
There are only 25 entry places left for the Highland Wheels Extreme so its now or never to get your entry for in this years race.
This is NOT an IGSA race.
This road is not for the faint hearted you will reach speeds of 70mph.
We will provide transport from the Hotel in Aviemore to the race road and to the start.
Everyone will get 3 days of riding and you won't get kicked out if you have the slowest time you still get to race on Sunday.
Pegless luges will race with the standard sleds with booms this is where we find out which is best or not as the case may be.
Full rules and specs will be ready in a couple of days.

Leathers and full face helmets are compulsory if you don't have these you can not race.
For more info on the race you can download highlights of last year and take a 3d ride down the road.
www.Gravitysports.co.uk
For those in the UK its worth getting that extra sports insurance cover. I know Chalky would like you to have it. Go to
www.SportsCoverDirect.com

Also this year Mark is putting a program together for the race and spectators.
What we need from you if you have entered are a few basic details and pictures which you have to e mail Mark.

m.warrender@btoo.com

We have to have this info in the next 14 days or you won't get in.
If anyone one wants to advertise in the program e-mail Mark prices start from £25 for 1/4 page.

Name.....
Age........
Country...
Events Entered.......
Injuries.........
Words to live by...... (Be polite please!).
Sponsors............

I will also need a passport type photo, preferably a head shot(clean pics only) and also picture of you in your leathers (action pic) this will give the spectators an idea of who you are.

If you want to send more info that's fine,I'll see what I can squeeze in.


Cheers dudes,

Chris & MC
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Subject: Talimena Drive


Author:
Pete Love
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Date Posted: 08:38:01 04/23/02 Tue

Hi Y'all,

I'm writing something detailed about my trip to oklahoma, but in the mean time I thought I'd let you know that the road out in Oklahoma is VERY good. If I was going to buy a ticket to go to one race in the US this season it would be the Talimena race. F6 are a racing organisation who have the European definition of ``Braking'' and ``turning'', rather than the usual US one. Anyone who is interested let me know and we can coordinate travel so I can meet you at the airport etc.

See you at Aviemore!

Pete

PS Chris, I'm sure you can persuade jo to let you use those travel vouchers to fly to Dallas......
Subject: F-6 Racing-Let The Fun Begin!!


Author:
RWR
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Date Posted: 13:30:47 04/19/02 Fri

F-6 Racing is excited to announce the Talimena Drive Xtreme Downhill.

This event will prove to be a favorite among the racers as they experience the technical course that is set aside for the race. All disciplines will be raced, streetluge, classic luge (buttboard), standup skateboard, inline, stock and ¾ fairing gravity bikes. The schedule is as follows:
Friday 06/14/02
Registration 4pm to 8pm
Tech Insp 4pm to 8pm
Saturday 06/15/02
7am Tech Insp
8am Practice
12pm Lunch
1pm Qualifying
Sunday 06/16/02
8am Riders Meeting
9am Warm Up
10am Racing
stock gravity bikes
inline skates
classic luge (buttboard)
12pm Lunch
1pm Racing
¾ fairing gravity bikes
standup skateboarding
streetluge
5pm Awards

You can get complete information by contacting Rusty Riley rusty@f6racing.com or calling 918-230-1530.
The info is available on Dave Auld’s site, www.auldovertheroad.com and will be updated on the IGSA site at www.gravity-sports.com .
F-6 Racing will have their site up next week and the info will be there also. www.f6racing.com

F-6 Racing, the state of Oklahoma and the US Forestry dept is excited about having an event in this part of the country. We have already been asked to make it an annual event with possibly two events a year. This racecourse is very nice, has a great surface, quick acceleration and hard breaking turns. You won’t want to miss this event. The local Red Bull division has committed to coming to our event and we will keep you posted on other sponsors as they develop.

See you at the races!!!

Rusty Riley
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Subject: LOVE in OKLAHOMA


Author:
RWR
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Date Posted: 20:08:50 04/20/02 Sat

Today was perfect in Oklahoma for luging. Three members of the F-6 Racing team treated Pete Love to a day on the hills. The weather man threatened us with rain but we figured it didn't matter because those crazy Brits love that crap. Well as usual the weather man was wrong. It was in the 70s and dry. Pete was able to buttboard and streetluge all day on the Talimena Drive. We rode all the good runs, the 3.5 mile with two 180 degree turns and speeds around 70, Dead Man's Vista with sweeping turns that are so fast you feel the need to brake anyway and Crash Course, the site of the Talimena Drive Xtreme Downhill on June 15 and 16. If anyone wants to know what to expect in June just contact Pete. We had a great time today and enjoyed riding with a great competitor. Hope to see all of the rest of you in June. Check out the info on Dave Auld's site for entry to the event...www.auldovertheroad.com

Rusty Riley F-6 Racing
Subject: thanks to all


Author:
Chalky
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Date Posted: 10:56:31 04/17/02 Wed

nowthen
just a few words to say thanks to all who helped me on that most interesting of days, it has made me realise that we all have a pain threshhold and ive reached mine, to me it was at the point when my leg and ankle were relocated, two schnapps and your unconcious. Will be having two of my several pins removed next week (only about another 10 to go and of course the standard piece of titanium with comes free with each hospital visit).

Thanks again there really is hope for humanity
cheers to everyone who has wished me well (until the next time )
WHOS TURN IS IT NEXT ?
chalk
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Subject: American Street Luger in Paris.. Okay, London


Author:
Jeremy Kahn
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Date Posted: 16:28:33 04/17/02 Wed

Well, I figured if Pete Love and Richard H. are moving to America, I figured I'd do my part and replace some of them.. I have finally made the final arrangements, payments, and finalizations for my semester in London. I got accepted a few days ago, and now everything is set for me to go. I am going to be arriving on May 20th and leaving July 10th, but from the 27 until the 10th I will be traveling Europe.

I am going to be bringing my luge with me, hopefully going to the Scotland race(If anyone can help me out with transportation, I am more than happy to help pay for gas!). Also, if anyone just wants to hook up for some drinks, let me know. If anyone is riding as well, let me know. I hope to see some of you that I saw in Cape Town, and maybe even some I haven't seen for awhile. Hope all is well with everyone, and send me an e-mail if you want to meet up. Cheers,

Jeremy Kahn
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Subject: WHY U SHOULDNT POST UP SOMEBODYS IP ADDRESS!


Author:
Nemesis
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Date Posted: 05:38:13 04/18/02 Thu

Spoofing is the creation of TCP/IP packets using somebody else's IP address. Routers use the "destination IP" address in order to forward packets through the Internet, but ignore the "source IP" address. That address is only used by the destination machine when it responds back to the source.
A common misconception is that "IP spoofing" can be used to hide your IP address while surfing the Internet, chatting on-line, sending e-mail, and so forth. This is generally not true. Forging the source IP address causes the responses to be misdirected, meaning you cannot create a normal network connection.

However, IP spoofing is an integral part of many network attacks that do not need to see responses (blind spoofing).

Examples of spoofing:

man-in-the-middle
packet sniffs on link between the two end points, and can therefore pretend to be one end of the connection
routing redirect
redirects routing information from the original host to the hacker's host (this is another form of man-in-the-middle attack).
source routing
redirects indvidual packets by hackers host
blind spoofing
predicts responses from a host, allowing commands to be sent, but can't get immediate feedback.
flooding
SYN flood fills up receive queue from random source addresses; smurf/fraggle spoofs victims address, causing everyong respond to the victim.

--[ The Players ]--

A: Target host

B: Trusted host

X: Unreachable host

Z: Attacking host

(1)2: Host 1 masquerading as host 2

--[ The Figures ]--

There are several figures in the paper and they are to be
interpreted as per the following example:

ick host a control host b
1 A ---SYN---> B

tick: A tick of time. There is no distinction made as to *how*
much time passes between ticks, just that time passes. It's generally
not a great deal.
host a: A machine particpating in a TCP-based conversation.
control: This field shows any relevant control bits set in the TCP
header and the direction the data is flowing
host b: A machine particpating in a TCP-based conversation.

In this case, at the first refrenced point in time host a is sending
a TCP segment to host b with the SYN bit on. Unless stated, we are
generally not concerned with the data portion of the TCP segment.

--[ Trust Relationships ]--

In the Unix world, trust can be given all too easily. Say you
have an account on machine A, and on machine B. To facilitate going
betwixt the two with a minimum amount of hassle, you want to setup a
full-duplex trust relationship between them. In your home directory
at A you create a .rhosts file: `echo "B username" > ~/.rhosts` In
your home directory at B you create a .rhosts file: `echo "A username"
> ~/.rhosts` (Alternately, root can setup similar rules in
/etc/hosts.equiv, the difference being that the rules are hostwide,
rather than just on an individual basis.) Now, you can use any of the
r* commands without that annoying hassle of password authentication.
These commands will allow address-based authentication, which will
grant or deny access based off of the IP address of the service
requestor.

--[ Rlogin ]--

Rlogin is a simple client-server based protocol that uses TCP
as it's transport. Rlogin allows a user to login remotely from one
host to another, and, if the target machine trusts the other, rlogin
will allow the convienience of not prompting for a password. It will
instead have authenticated the client via the source IP address. So,
from our example above, we can use rlogin to remotely login to A from
B (or vice-versa) and not be prompted for a password.

--[ Internet Protocol ]--

IP is the connectionless, unreliable network protocol in the
TCP/IP suite. It has two 32-bit header fields to hold address
information. IP is also the busiest of all the TCP/IP protocols as
almost all TCP/IP traffic is encapsulated in IP datagrams. IP's job
is to route packets around the network. It provides no mechanism for
reliability or accountability, for that, it relies on the upper
layers. IP simply sends out datagrams and hopes they make it intact.
If they don't, IP can try to send an ICMP error message back to the
source, however this packet can get lost as well. (ICMP is Internet
Control Message Protocol and it is used to relay network conditions
and different errors to IP and the other layers.) IP has no means to
guarantee delivery. Since IP is connectionless, it does not maintain
any connection state information. Each IP datagram is sent out without
regard to the last one or the next one. This, along with the fact that
it is trivial to modify the IP stack to allow an arbitrarily choosen IP
address in the source (and destination) fields make IP easily subvertable.

--[ Transmission Control Protocol ]--

TCP is the connection-oriented, reliable transport protocol
in the TCP/IP suite. Connection-oriented simply means that the two
hosts participating in a discussion must first establish a connection
before data may change hands. Reliability is provided in a number of
ways but the only two we are concerned with are data sequencing and
acknowledgement. TCP assigns sequence numbers to every segment and
acknowledges any and all data segments recieved from the other end.
(ACK's consume a sequence number, but are not themselves ACK'd.)
This reliability makes TCP harder to fool than IP.

--[ Sequence Numbers, Acknowledgements and other flags ]--

Since TCP is reliable, it must be able to recover from
lost, duplicated, or out-of-order data. By assigning a sequence
number to every byte transfered, and requiring an acknowledgement from
the other end upon receipt, TCP can guarantee reliable delivery. The
receiving end uses the sequence numbers to ensure proper ordering of
the data and to eliminate duplicate data bytes.

TCP sequence numbers can simply be thought of as 32-bit
counters. They range from 0 to 4,294,967,295. Every byte of
data exchanged across a TCP connection (along with certain flags)
is sequenced. The sequence number field in the TCP header will
contain the sequence number of the *first* byte of data in the
TCP segment. The acknowledgement number field in the TCP header
holds the value of next *expected* sequence number, and also
acknowledges *all* data up through this ACK number minus one.

TCP uses the concept of window advertisement for flow
control. It uses a sliding window to tell the other end how much
data it can buffer. Since the window size is 16-bits a receiving TCP
can advertise up to a maximum of 65535 bytes. Window advertisement
can be thought of an advertisment from one TCP to the other of how
high acceptable sequence numbers can be.

Other TCP header flags of note are RST (reset), PSH (push)
and FIN (finish). If a RST is received, the connection is
immediately torn down. RSTs are normally sent when one end
receives a segment that just doesn't jive with current connection
(we will encounter an example below). The PSH flag tells the
reciever to pass all the data is has queued to the aplication, as
soon as possible. The FIN flag is the way an application begins a
graceful close of a connection (connection termination is a 4-way
process). When one end recieves a FIN, it ACKs it, and does not
expect to receive any more data (sending is still possible, however).

--[ TCP Connection Establishment ]--

In order to exchange data using TCP, hosts must establish a
a connection. TCP establishes a connection in a 3 step process called
the 3-way handshake. If machine A is running an rlogin client and
wishes to conect to an rlogin daemon on machine B, the process is as
follows:

fig(1)

1 A ---SYN---> B

2 A <---SYN/ACK--- B

3 A ---ACK---> B

At (1) the client is telling the server that it wants a connection.
This is the SYN flag's only purpose. The client is telling the
server that the sequence number field is valid, and should be checked.
The client will set the sequence number field in the TCP header to
it's ISN (initial sequence number). The server, upon receiving this
segment (2) will respond with it's own ISN (therefore the SYN flag is
on) and an ACKnowledgement of the clients first segment (which is the
client's ISN+1). The client then ACK's the server's ISN (3). Now,
data transfer may take place.

--[ The ISN and Sequence Number Incrementation ]--

It is important to understand how sequence numbers are
initially choosen, and how they change with respect to time. The
initial sequence number when a host is bootstraped is initialized
to 1. (TCP actually calls this variable 'tcp_iss' as it is the initial
*send* sequence number. The other sequence number variable,
'tcp_irs' is the initial *receive* sequence number and is learned
during the 3-way connection establishment. We are not going to worry
about the distinction.) This practice is wrong, and is acknowledged
as so in a comment the tcp_init() function where it appears. The ISN
is incremented by 128,000 every second, which causes the 32-bit ISN
counter to wrap every 9.32 hours if no connections occur. However,
each time a connect() is issued, the counter is incremented by
64,000.

One important reason behind this predictibility is to
minimize the chance that data from an older stale incarnation
(that is, from the same 4-tuple of the local and remote
IP-addresses TCP ports) of the current connection could arrive
and foul things up. The concept of the 2MSL wait time applies
here, but is beyond the scope of this paper. If sequence
numbers were choosen at random when a connection arrived, no
guarantees could be made that the sequence numbers would be different
from a previous incarnation. If some data that was stuck in a
routing loop somewhere finally freed itself and wandered into the new
incarnation of it's old connection, it could really foul things up.

--[ Ports ]--

To grant simultaneous access to the TCP module, TCP provides
a user interface called a port. Ports are used by the kernel to
identify network processes. These are strictly transport layer
entities (that is to say that IP could care less about them).
Together with an IP address, a TCP port provides provides an endpoint
for network communications. In fact, at any given moment *all*
Internet connections can be described by 4 numbers: the source IP
address and source port and the destination IP address and destination
port. Servers are bound to 'well-known' ports so that they may be
located on a standard port on different systems. For example, the
rlogin daemon sits on TCP port 513.

[SECTION II. THE ATTACK]

...The devil finds work for idle hands....

--[ Briefly... ]--

IP-spoofing consists of several steps, which I will
briefly outline here, then explain in detail. First, the target host
is choosen. Next, a pattern of trust is discovered, along with a
trusted host. The trusted host is then disabled, and the target's TCP
sequence numbers are sampled. The trusted host is impersonated, the
sequence numbers guessed, and a connection attempt is made to a
service that only requires address-based authentication. If
successful, the attacker executes a simple command to leave a
backdoor.

--[ Needful Things ]--

There are a couple of things one needs to wage this attack:

(1) brain, mind, or other thinking device

(1) target host

(1) trusted host

(1) attacking host (with root access)

(1) IP-spoofing software

Generally the attack is made from the root account on the attacking
host against the root account on the target. If the attacker is
going to all this trouble, it would be stupid not to go for root.
(Since root access is needed to wage the attack, this should not
be an issue.)

--[ IP-Spoofing is a 'Blind Attack' ]--

One often overlooked, but critical factor in IP-spoofing
is the fact that the attack is blind. The attacker is going to be
taking over the identity of a trusted host in order to subvert the
security of the target host. The trusted host is disabled using the
method described below. As far as the target knows, it is carrying on
a conversation with a trusted pal. In reality, the attacker is
sitting off in some dark corner of the Internet, forging packets
puportedly from this trusted host while it is locked up in a denial
of service battle. The IP datagrams sent with the forged IP-address
reach the target fine (recall that IP is a connectionless-oriented
protocol-- each datagram is sent without regard for the other end)
but the datagrams the target sends back (destined for the trusted
host) end up in the bit-bucket. The attacker never sees them. The
intervening routers know where the datagrams are supposed to go. They
are supposed to go the trusted host. As far as the network layer is
concerned, this is where they originally came from, and this is where
responses should go. Of course once the datagrams are routed there,
and the information is demultiplexed up the protocol stack, and
reaches TCP, it is discarded (the trusted host's TCP cannot respond--
see below). So the attacker has to be smart and *know* what was sent,
and *know* what reponse the server is looking for. The attacker
cannot see what the target host sends, but she can *predict* what it
will send; that coupled with the knowledge of what it *will* send,
allows the attacker to work around this blindness.

--[ Patterns of Trust ]--

After a target is choosen the attacker must determine the
patterns of trust (for the sake of argument, we are going to assume
the target host *does* in fact trust somebody. If it didn't, the
attack would end here). Figuring out who a host trusts may or may
not be easy. A 'showmount -e' may show where filesystems are
exported, and rpcinfo can give out valuable information as well.
If enough background information is known about the host, it should
not be too difficult. If all else fails, trying neighboring IP
addresses in a brute force effort may be a viable option.

--[ Trusted Host Disabling Using the Flood of Sins ]--

Once the trusted host is found, it must be disabled. Since
the attacker is going to impersonate it, she must make sure this host
cannot receive any network traffic and foul things up. There are
many ways of doing this, the one I am going to discuss is TCP SYN
flooding.

A TCP connection is initiated with a client issuing a
request to a server with the SYN flag on in the TCP header. Normally
the server will issue a SYN/ACK back to the client identified by the
32-bit source address in the IP header. The client will then send an
ACK to the server (as we saw in figure 1 above) and data transfer
can commence. There is an upper limit of how many concurrent SYN
requests TCP can process for a given socket, however. This limit
is called the backlog, and it is the length of the queue where
incoming (as yet incomplete) connections are kept. This queue limit
applies to both the number of imcomplete connections (the 3-way
handshake is not complete) and the number of completed connections
that have not been pulled from the queue by the application by way of
the accept() system call. If this backlog limit is reached, TCP will
silently discard all incoming SYN requests until the pending
connections can be dealt with. Therein lies the attack.

The attacking host sends several SYN requests to the TCP port
she desires disabled. The attacking host also must make sure that
the source IP-address is spoofed to be that of another, currently
unreachable host (the target TCP will be sending it's response to
this address. (IP may inform TCP that the host is unreachable,
but TCP considers these errors to be transient and leaves the
resolution of them up to IP (reroute the packets, etc) effectively
ignoring them.) The IP-address must be unreachable because the
attacker does not want any host to recieve the SYN/ACKs that will be
coming from the target TCP (this would result in a RST being sent to
the target TCP, which would foil our attack). The process is as
follows:

fig(2)

1 Z(x) ---SYN---> B

Z(x) ---SYN---> B

Z(x) ---SYN---> B

Z(x) ---SYN---> B

Z(x) ---SYN---> B

...

2 X <---SYN/ACK--- B

X <---SYN/ACK--- B

...

3 X <---RST--- B

At (1) the attacking host sends a multitude of SYN requests to the
target (remember the target in this phase of the attack is the
trusted host) to fill it's backlog queue with pending connections.
(2) The target responds with SYN/ACKs to what it believes is the
source of the incoming SYNs. During this time all further requests
to this TCP port will be ignored.

Different TCP implementations have different backlog sizes.
BSD generally has a backlog of 5 (Linux has a backlog of 6). There
is also a 'grace' margin of 3/2. That is, TCP will allow up to
backlog*3/2+1 connections. This will allow a socket one connection
even if it calls listen with a backlog of 0.

AuthNote: [For a much more in-depth treatment of TCP SYN
flooding, see my definitive paper on the subject. It covers the
whole process in detail, in both theory, and practice. There is
robust working code, a statistical analysis, and a legnthy paper.
Look for it in issue 49 of Phrack. -daemon9 6/96]

--[ Sequence Number Sampling and Prediction ]--

Now the attacker needs to get an idea of where in the 32-bit
sequence number space the target's TCP is. The attacker connects to
a TCP port on the target (SMTP is a good choice) just prior to launching
the attack and completes the three-way handshake. The process is
exactly the same as fig(1), except that the attacker will save the
value of the ISN sent by the target host. Often times, this process is
repeated several times and the final ISN sent is stored. The attacker
needs to get an idea of what the RTT (round-trip time) from the target
to her host is like. (The process can be repeated several times, and an
average of the RTT's is calculated.) The RTT is necessary in being
able to accuratly predict the next ISN. The attacker has the baseline
(the last ISN sent) and knows how the sequence numbers are incremented
(128,000/second and 64,000 per connect) and now has a good idea of
how long it will take an IP datagram to travel across the Internet to
reach the target (approximately half the RTT, as most times the
routes are symmetrical). After the attacker has this information, she
immediately proceeds to the next phase of the attack (if another TCP
connection were to arrive on any port of the target before the
attacker was able to continue the attack, the ISN predicted by the
attacker would be off by 64,000 of what was predicted).

When the spoofed segment makes it's way to the target,
several different things may happen depending on the accuracy of
the attacker's prediction:
- If the sequence number is EXACTly where the receiving TCP expects
it to be, the incoming data will be placed on the next available
position in the receive buffer.
- If the sequence number is LESS than the expected value the data
byte is considered a retransmission, and is discarded.
- If the sequence number is GREATER than the expected value but
still within the bounds of the receive window, the data byte is
considered to be a future byte, and is held by TCP, pending the
arrival of the other missing bytes. If a segment arrives with a
sequence number GREATER than the expected value and NOT within the
bounds of the receive window the segment is dropped, and TCP will
send a segment back with the *expected* sequence number.

--[ Subversion... ]--

Here is where the main thrust of the attack begins:

fig(3)

1 Z(b) ---SYN---> A

2 B <---SYN/ACK--- A

3 Z(b) ---ACK---> A

4 Z(b) ---PSH---> A

[...]

The attacking host spoofs her IP address to be that of the trusted
host (which should still be in the death-throes of the D.O.S. attack)
and sends it's connection request to port 513 on the target (1). At
(2), the target responds to the spoofed connection request with a
SYN/ACK, which will make it's way to the trusted host (which, if it
*could* process the incoming TCP segment, it would consider it an
error, and immediately send a RST to the target). If everything goes
according to plan, the SYN/ACK will be dropped by the gagged trusted
host. After (1), the attacker must back off for a bit to give the
target ample time to send the SYN/ACK (the attacker cannot see this
segment). Then, at (3) the attacker sends an ACK to the target with
the predicted sequence number (plus one, because we're ACKing it).
If the attacker is correct in her prediction, the target will accept
the ACK. The target is compromised and data transfer can
commence (4).

Generally, after compromise, the attacker will insert a
backdoor into the system that will allow a simpler way of intrusion.
(Often a `cat + + >> ~/.rhosts` is done. This is a good idea for
several reasons: it is quick, allows for simple re-entry, and is not
interactive. Remember the attacker cannot see any traffic coming from
the target, so any reponses are sent off into oblivion.)

--[ Why it Works ]--

IP-Spoofing works because trusted services only rely on
network address based authentication. Since IP is easily duped,
address forgery is not difficult. The hardest part of the attck is
in the sequence number prediction, because that is where the guesswork
comes into play. Reduce unknowns and guesswork to a minimum, and
the attack has a better chance of suceeding. Even a machine that
wraps all it's incoming TCP bound connections with Wietse Venema's TCP
wrappers, is still vulnerable to the attack. TCP wrappers rely on a
hostname or an IP address for authentication...

[SECTION III. PREVENTITIVE MEASURES]

...A stich in time, saves nine...

--[ Be Un-trusting and Un-trustworthy ]--

One easy solution to prevent this attack is not to rely
on address-based authentication. Disable all the r* commands,
remove all .rhosts files and empty out the /etc/hosts.equiv file.
This will force all users to use other means of remote access
(telnet, ssh, skey, etc).

--[ Packet Filtering ]--

If your site has a direct connect to the Internet, you
can use your router to help you out. First make sure only hosts
on your internal LAN can particpate in trust-relationships (no
internal host should trust a host outside the LAN). Then simply
filter out *all* traffic from the outside (the Internet) that
puports to come from the inside (the LAN).

--[ Cryptographic Methods ]--

An obvious method to deter IP-spoofing is to require
all network traffic to be encrypted and/or authenticated. While
several solutions exist, it will be a while before such measures are
deployed as defacto standards.

--[ Initial Sequence Number Randomizing ]--

Since the sequence numbers are not choosen randomly (or
incremented randomly) this attack works. Bellovin describes a
fix for TCP that involves partitioning the sequence number space.
Each connection would have it's own seperate sequence number space.
The sequence numbers would still be incremented as before, however,
there would be no obvious or implied relationship between the
numbering in these spaces. Suggested is the following formula:

ISN=M+F(localhost,localport,remotehost,remoteport)

Where M is the 4 microsecond timer and F is a cryptographic hash.
F must not be computable from the outside or the attacker could
still guess sequence numbers. Bellovin suggests F be a hash of
the connection-id and a secret vector (a random number, or a host
related secret combined with the machine's boot time).
SEE, I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!

Justin
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Subject: Taster coarse


Author:
Bryan
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Date Posted: 11:43:22 04/13/02 Sat

Does anyone know when the next taster coarse is, and where? coz ill have to get me L plates sorted.
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Subject: Adrenaline Magazine


Author:
luke
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Date Posted: 00:56:23 04/10/02 Wed

Check out this months adrenaline, articles on slalom and longboarding with photos from Sheffield Boardfest.
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Subject: The classic or more!


Author:
Nick
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Date Posted: 09:48:27 04/15/02 Mon

If u are aware, EDI is holding the Sandia Downhill Classic in hew mexico on June 22,23rd. If u want the freedom of riding all 14 miles instead of riding 1 mile for the race and want to be able to ride it all day without having to deal with race structure, email me. There is a rider from Delaware flying out in june some time, if u want to schedule a ride for a a few days preferably on weekdays ( sorry for the inconvience) then email me. Denne?, Jason Breault from Delaware says u may be riding with us ans u todl him u may come out to NM with him. Whats the deal on that, do we need to schedule a day to ride or do u guys have tha figured out already. Really looking forward to riding with u deene and anyone who is interestted. Just a short note, the road is 14 miles long, has 117 turns, and an average7-11% grade all the way down plus we have special permission from the state highway dept and sherrifs dept to ride the road whenever we want to as long as your riding with Team Nemesis.

Justin Franklin
Team Nemesis
TeamNemesisRacing@Hotmail.com
1-505-890-8504
Subject: Hot Heels entry


Author:
Gerhard
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Date Posted: 14:17:17 04/10/02 Wed

Hi there,

well hope all of you are doing well.

I just want to notice that the entry is open and i realy would appreciate if you could sign in for the event.

As you all know i take the financial risk of the event and i have to go forward with the planing of the infrastructure.

I still know it is a bit early but it would be a great help. Between 50 and 150 riders there is a big difference as you know. Infrastructure needs to be ordered and organised. This has to be done in the next 3 weeks.

So, wish all the best and see you maybe in scotland or hotheels.

PS: i do understand that the washington race is at the same time, so for all the internationals which have been at hotheels last year would give me a shout if you come or not. this would be a help as well.

ok thats it and have fun with riding.

cheers Gerhard.
Subject: jet luge


Author:
longy
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Date Posted: 08:24:34 04/10/02 Wed

hey bryan,

in reply to your e mail the engine will generate 120 lbs of thrust, its 48 inches long (the engine) weighs 24 and a half pounds and at full whack will throw you approx 293 foot per second or a good 150-180 mph for perhaps 20 seconds...but there again if your going downhill on a luge then fire it up you could make 250 mph plus but you have to have a big tank of propane (at high pressure) or perhaps an ergonomic built fuel tank underneath the luge...the speed in all possibility will eat the bearings and disentegrate the urethane of the wheels so slicks or small carting wheels will have to be used...did i say 300 quid? it could be done for far less but the re-design of the luge would have to be radical...best have a word with john maher of vee dub fame.
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Subject: Chalky update


Author:
andy
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Date Posted: 10:43:28 04/04/02 Thu

I have been to see Chalky this afternoon. He has Managed to get out of bed and is waiting for a wheelchair. He is able to get to the toilet with the aid of a zimmer-frame, but will be in hospital at least till the begining of next week. He's been told that his left leg will be in pot for about 6-12 months but his right leg will be alright in about 6-7 weeks.
Andy
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Subject: Can bent axels on R2B's be repaired?


Author:
Neil
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Date Posted: 02:07:01 04/10/02 Wed

Does anyone know how the axels are held in place in the R2B struts - are they interference fit or is there a thread?

Anyone know of a technique for checking the alignment of the axels.

Thank you,

Neil
Subject: ?


Author:
Bryan
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Date Posted: 09:32:45 03/26/02 Tue

Does any one rekon they could strap some kind of motor to the back of a luge. Just a thought!
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Subject: Building a gravity bike


Author:
RYan
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Date Posted: 20:53:35 04/04/02 Thu

I am gonna try to build a gravity bike i have seen everythign on this page. I need all the help i can to do it safely.
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Subject: Sandia Downhill Classic


Author:
Guy J
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Date Posted: 08:04:06 04/03/02 Wed

If you do not want to race the EDI june race "Sandia Downhill Classic", Let me know and u can come down and ride all 14 miles of the Sandia State road NM536. Im not trying to have another fun run rather just giving u the option to ride something longer and more technical than i ve ever seen before, my opinion. Write me an email if your interested. cause remember racing is fun yes but you can only have a few runs and only ride 1.3 miles of the road versus riding all 14with us whever u want to after or before the race. Let me know.

Justin
Subject: Chalky's address in hospital


Author:
Todd
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Date Posted: 07:43:22 04/03/02 Wed

The sexy Thai nurse at Scarborough Hospital tells me that Chalky can't make it to the phone hmmm... so if you would like to write him or send him some special 'one-handed magazines' the address for the hospital is as follows:

To: Carl (Chalky) Thomas
Scarborough Hospital
Cherry Ward
Woodlands Drive
Scarborough
North Yorkshire
YO12 6QL
U.K.
Subject: 11.Hot Heels & 1.IGSA World Championship & Swiss Champs from 5.-14.july 2002


Author:
Gerhard
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Date Posted: 08:09:09 04/02/02 Tue

First of all thanks for your support during my illnes. Well i´m still not 100% recovered and may not be able to race until August. But anyway that gives me more time for organizing events.

Quiet a lot is going on in europe as well.

Due the reason of flights and expenses we figured that it makes sense to coorperate with Roli Hafner and the swiss Championships. 7 days of downhill riding, including a national Championship and the World Championship and a Downhillcamp !! There is no better offer out there.

Please sign in as soon as possible for the World Championship. As you all know i need to calculate food, structure and so on and on. Further if you sign in early and pay in early you get up to 20% discount !!!

please go to: www.hotheels.net or email me gerhard.lanz@aon.at

Swiss Championship:

Entry fee(2 1/2Tage) sFr.50.--
2 Tage Racing ohne Freeride sFr.40.--
pro Diz. plus sFr.10.--

Disz. Buttboard, luge, Inline, Sk8

Date: 5.-7.july 2002 on sunday the event will go until 16.00 and than we all move to Kaunertal for the Downhill Camp. (the drive to Kaunertal is about 21/2 hours)

Freitag 5.
Freeride Nightsession (sFR.10.--) (3/4 Moon session)
Übernachtung auf Wiese im Zelt (Preis inbegriffen sFr.40.-- Racing plus 2Nächte). Falls kein eigenes Zelt plus sFr.+10.--
Campground included in the entry fee for 2 days. If you don´t have a tent you pay extra 10.-- SFr and you got one.

Samstag 6. 07 00 Uhr bis 10 30 Uhr Einschreiben/Morgenessen/sign in/ Breakfast
Training/Practise von 08 15 - 12 00 Uhr Ridersmeeting 08 00 Uhr und 12 00 Uhr.
12 45 Uhr Time T. 2Runs.
Abends Party Bar. ev. Bänd!

Sonntag/sunday: jedoch nur Top 16 Riders (ev.32?)- top 16 or 32 in four man heats,

Roli@sk8shop.ch

Last but not least.

I saw some messages about the death of the IGSA. Even if myself and marcus are going a bit slower the IGSA is for sure not death.

I look forward to a great season and wish all of you guys a lot of fun , traveling, good racing.

cheers Gerhard.


http://www.hotheels.net
Subject: foolish me, june?


Author:
Nemesis
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Date Posted: 16:32:10 04/01/02 Mon

So out of curiosity, is anybody wanting or planning on riding the newmexico luge hill that doesnt want to race and wants to be able to ride all 14 miles of it all day long with us on behalf of the state highway dept and the sherrifs dept. If there is write me an email at TeamNemesisRacing@hotmail.com . I have a place for at least 4 or 5 people to stay at a time if they want to give it a shot. A little details, its 14 miles long, 117 turns, 7-11% grade all the way down and 3 lanes in some places. Plus i have permission from the state highway dept and the sherrifs dept to ride it whenever i want to as long as its preferably on a weekday like a thursday or friday morning. Email me and we will make a plan. TRUST ME ITS EPIC AND A BIG DAMN LUGE HILL, JUST ASK BIKER SHERLOCK, HE RODE IT LAST SUMMER!!!.

Justin
Subject: Boston


Author:
Pete Love
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Date Posted: 13:43:30 03/28/02 Thu

Weather: sunny but cold.
Birds: better looking than east london.
Fat americans: none so far
Amount of times mistaken for australian: 4

Get well soon chalky, and I'll keep you posted,

Pete
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Subject: Chalky is on the move


Author:
Neil
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Date Posted: 01:40:41 03/27/02 Wed

Chalky is being moved to a more secure unit in Scarborough this morning (27.3.02). He was not able to speak on the phone due to feeling a little delicate - I reckon the orderlies didn't want to undue all the Hannibal Lector like strapping they had him in for the journey.
Neil
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Subject: Chalky Update


Author:
Chris, Jo and Andy
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Date Posted: 15:38:33 03/17/02 Sun

Chalky under went a 4 and a half hour op last night to his left ankle, he has had two plates and ten screws fitted.They have tried to put the jig saw back together but he has severe ligament and tendon damage.
He is having another op tomorrow afternoon to try to close his leg as it was too swollen to stitch today.
His right ankle was also broken as a clean brake but should heal quicker and is in plaster.
We have visited him twice today and tonight he was more comfortable but still in some pain, he is slighly happier on his morphine.
He will be in Bangor hospital for a week and then will be transfered to Scarborough where he will probably be for 2-3 weeks.He will be in a wheel chair for some time and is thinking of ways to run modified wheelchair racing.
He is going to need a lot of support we would like to have a whip round for him, please send any donations to the
Chalky fund via Chris we know he would really love a play station 2 and beer (of course).
We are also thinking of having a party for him when he comes out of hospital to present the Chalky fund, and would like as many people to be there as possible.
This accident was very hard hitting to everyone there at the time and Chalky would like to thank everyone that helped.
We will keep you posted as we will be visiting tomorrow,please continue to send your messages as we will print them out and take them to him.
Chris Beard
9 West Vale
Little Neston
Cheshire
CH64 9SE

Thanks MINT.
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Subject: IGSA


Author:
Tommy
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Date Posted: 05:04:10 03/22/02 Fri

Probably it is stupid to ask, but anyway: Does anyone know whats going on with IGSA ? Is there an IGSA anymore ? What's up with the races or events planned for this year ? I understand the Aviemore Race is still on and it's not an IGSA Event this year, right ? Are the IGSA rules concerning the equipment still valid for Aviemore ? Can anybody let me know (short version) what's going on, does anybody know at all ??? I am "a little bit" confused ;-) cheers
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Subject: Chalky Update2


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 00:40:46 03/22/02 Fri

I have been out to see Chalky last night and he now has had his leg sitched up and will be going into a pot soon.
he is in good spirits now that the pain is not so bad.
Its going to be Wednesday next week before they will move him thats if there are any beds.
I have been passing on all your messages and said thanks for all the support.
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Subject: anybody need any help at aviemore


Author:
Doug
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Date Posted: 09:12:45 03/18/02 Mon

Hi. I've just taken up luge so im not ready to compete at Aviemore so I will be going along to spectate. That is unless you need any help marshalling or something as i am willing to help and so is my dad.
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Subject: Leathers


Author:
Mat
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Date Posted: 11:42:04 03/18/02 Mon

Has anyone got a spare set of cheap leathers? I have had to give mine away as they are too small. I am 6`2" and weigh 13.5 stone. Please email me if you have a set. Thanks.
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Subject: The day it all went BAD


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 08:44:04 03/19/02 Tue

Todd has put up the pictures from Traws check in it out.
http://www.doctordanger.com/streetluge/gallery/ChalkyAnkles/index.htm
Subject: Chalky


Author:
John&Doe
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Date Posted: 12:04:19 03/17/02 Sun

Get well soon Chalky things some people will do to get a ride in a helicopter (you looked good in the air )see Todd for the photo. Put your name down for the wheel chair race in Avimore See you soon .
Subject: Accident: Chalky is in hospital following a buttboard accident today


Author:
Todd O'Neill
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Date Posted: 12:23:01 03/16/02 Sat

Our practice session in Wales ended in disaster today.
Poor Chalky was carrying too much speed out coming out of the top right hand corner and ran wide into the shallow ditch, slamming into a concrete drainage pipe thing at about 45 mph.

He broke both his ankles and was in a hell of a lot of pain. It took about an hour before he was air lifted to Bangor Hospital (Wales) were he is currently undergoing surgery. We think he will be at the Bangor hospital until Wednesday (20 March 2002) and then they will move him to a hospital nearer his home.

If anyone would like more information on his condition the Bangor Hospital's telephone number is 01248 384112, or contact Chris Beard on this site or me (Todd@DoctorDanger.com).

If you would like to send Chalky any get well wishes please do so via the message board on this site.

It has not been a good day

Cheers
Todd

p.s. we mentioned to the surgeon that since they had Chalky in the surgical theatre that it might be an opportune time to swap his brain with that of a gorilla's or perhaps conduct some sort of improvement work to it...
p.p.s special thanks to Chris, Joe, Neil and the two ambulance guys (Brian and Arwel) for taking such great care of Chalky.
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Subject: LugeForce.com


Author:
LugeForce
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Date Posted: 06:23:29 03/16/02 Sat

If you haven't seen us visit lugeforce.com . For those you who have check the latest update . . . you don't want to miss this!
Subject: arguments


Author:
longy
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Date Posted: 14:39:45 03/12/02 Tue

ok enoughs enough, arguments on forums are like eating yer own bogies, you do it by yer self, feels good at the time but makes you feel sick and immature later. i can side with mat i know how hard it is to be a student...respect bro
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