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Date Posted: 23:59:19 04/08/04 Thu
Author: stu
Subject: Re: Survival
In reply to: Adilbrand 's message, "Survival" on 17:31:11 04/07/04 Wed

Goes back to the greeks. Plato distinguishes between killing greeks (bad) and killing foriegners (good). This scenario breaks down as the world gets smaller and smaller. We are interconnected now. We have the insight to be able to connect our neighbor's happiness with our own. I agree that this is basically the case, albeit a sub-concious understanding for most. I do think that it is also very simplistic - not your answer, but the reasoning itself. Why are we not beyond this kind of thing? Why does it take humanity so long to change it's collective ideas? I think this is an even more interesting question (although the one posed is a fine question.)

Maybe it is just me, but when a plane crashes, I don't need to know how many people died. Not only do I not need a body-count, but I certainly don't need to know how many Americans died. Furthermore, I am discouraged by the distinction - as if American lives are more important - to me, to you. It's crap. People are people. It doesn't matter which side of some arbitrary line they live on (excuse the grammar.)

Now I will go off on a tangent: What is pride in country? Where does this come from. I personally believe that one should only be proud of their own personal convictions and accomplishments, and perhaps those of thier progeny which are, in a way, their product. But pride in country? Anscestry? If you take pride in certain aspects of your country, then other aspects must fill you with shame. The same with your anscestry. If you are going to take pride in certain deeds of your anscestors, you must feel shame for others. I say, take pride only in your own actions. It makes sense and it is les complicated. It's also less likely to lead to aggression towards those who are "different."

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In reaction to Stu: some broad thoughts, organized poorly for they are off of the top of my head. -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 17:17:24 04/10/04 Sat
- Yikes -- mvd, 21:49:45 04/10/04 Sat
  - Re: Yikes -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 01:15:43 04/12/04 Mon
    - Re: Yikes -- stu, 04:52:41 04/12/04 Mon
      - journalists -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 02:41:39 04/13/04 Tue
        LOL -- mvd, 15:25:03 04/13/04 Tue
        Re: LOL & Imagine as a mild communist document -- Mt. Healthy Mountaineer, 21:49:13 04/16/04 Fri
        Amazing -- mvd, 08:48:24 04/17/04 Sat
        Re: LOL & Imagine as a mild communist document -- stu, 15:32:19 04/17/04 Sat
        Re: LOL & Imagine as a mild communist document -- stu, 15:32:35 04/17/04 Sat
        Re: LOL & Imagine as a mild communist document -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 23:33:46 04/19/04 Mon
        Re: LOL & Imagine as a mild communist document -- stu, 01:39:18 04/20/04 Tue
        Re: LOL & Imagine as a mild communist document -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 21:25:46 04/22/04 Thu
        Re: LOL -- Adilbrand, 23:00:47 04/22/04 Thu
        Re: LOL -- mvd, 09:16:18 04/23/04 Fri
        Remeber -- stu, 17:42:29 04/24/04 Sat
        Remeber -- stu, 17:42:47 04/24/04 Sat
        reality -- stu, 16:32:12 04/13/04 Tue
    - Re: Yikes -- mvd, 09:20:40 04/12/04 Mon
- off the top of my head -- stu, 23:26:02 04/10/04 Sat
  - Re: off the top of my head -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 01:36:02 04/12/04 Mon
    - Re: off the top of my head -- stu, 04:36:55 04/12/04 Mon
      - culture -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 02:23:08 04/13/04 Tue
        Despite this -- mvd, 09:28:45 04/13/04 Tue
        Re: Despite this -- stu, 16:37:47 04/13/04 Tue
        Re: Despite this -- stu, 16:38:24 04/13/04 Tue
        Despite this -- Omega, 19:46:16 04/13/04 Tue
        Re: culture -- stu, 16:51:08 04/13/04 Tue
        Re: definitions -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 23:10:39 04/16/04 Fri
        Re: definitions -- stu, 15:39:04 04/17/04 Sat
        Re: definitions -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 00:13:17 04/20/04 Tue
        Re: definitions -- stu, 01:40:33 04/20/04 Tue
        Re: definitions -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 21:29:28 04/22/04 Thu
        Re: culture -- stu, 01:38:14 04/15/04 Thu
        Re: culture -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 23:13:02 04/16/04 Fri
        Re: culture -- stu, 05:32:42 04/17/04 Sat
        Re: culture -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 23:44:38 04/19/04 Mon
        Re: culture -- stu, 01:33:44 04/20/04 Tue
        Re: culture and Black assimilation & world gov't. -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 01:47:58 04/24/04 Sat
        Does assimilation to a certain culture make you unique? -- stu, 17:53:24 04/24/04 Sat
        Re: Does assimilation to a certain culture make you unique? (NT) -- stu, 17:53:55 04/24/04 Sat
        Re: culture and Black assimilation & world gov't. -- mvd, 22:12:44 04/24/04 Sat
        American Culture -- mvd, 09:27:25 04/20/04 Tue
        Re: American Culture -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 02:06:21 04/24/04 Sat
        Re: American Culture -- mvd, 19:23:04 04/24/04 Sat
        Re: American Culture -- mt. healthy mountaineer, 23:09:29 04/27/04 Tue