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Subject: Clever............or wot!


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 17:13:19 06/01/05 Wed

Just when I start to think I've got the hang of this computing lark, along comes a problem that takes all bloody day to sort out. The thing is, I don't know if it was my brains that sorted it or the problem resolved itself?

When I logged onto my email programme last night, I got a message telling me that either my 'username' or 'password' was 'invalid'. I hadn't changed anything and when I went into the self help (now there's a misnomer, if ever I saw one!) section of the email programme, it told me to delete the log in details and re-enter them. This I did, still not recognised! Onto the the 'status' page of the blueyonder help site, to see if there were any outstanding problems with the ISP and there was one message saying that there was maintenance being carried out on the email platform, expected to last for 18 hours. So I thought, aha! that's the problem and waited until today. All day long I have been trying to log on to check my email and still kept getting the 'invalid username/password' message and that changed after about an hour of trying to 'POP3 not found'. After checking the 'status' page again, the message said work started at 0700 and would continue for 90 min. Well this was 2:0clock in the afternoon so I started to mess around, changing passwords, reconfiguring the accounts etc. Nothing seemed to work! After deleting all my aliases and reducing my email account to the bare minimum of one account, it worked again. So I'm quite pleased with myself. Still have that niggling feeling that it would have started working again all by itself though!

One of the downsides of not receiving loads of spam/junk email is that I constantly worry that my email programme is working OK, I don't really get enough in a day to reassure me! No pleasing some people is there?.................
Subject: 42 reunion


Author:
chris dunham
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Date Posted: 20:56:24 05/30/05 Mon

just a quick note to say that those who managed the reunion had a fantastic time. hopefully a few more may manage it next year. I managed to bid for a No 2 dress cap and wore it with pride for a cou[ple of photos, also managed to get a few more of the lads to wear it for photos. No doubt those who have invitations from Jim McDougal will in due course get to see the photos on webshots.
Subject: 'IRAQ a No Win Situation?'


Author:
Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 12:55:50 05/30/05 Mon

I was saddened to see that another british soldier has got the chop, making a total of Eighty-eight fatalities in this conflict sustained by our troops over there in the 'sandpit'........
I consider that its about time that our troops were pulled out, so that the ragheads can sort out their own internal problems, their own way! As far as I'm concerned we achieved what we were sent in there to do! The politic's does not interest me. I can only see that the various factions will never except Peace at any price! It truly is a no win situation over there. The middle east has always been volatile in every sense of the word! Sooner or later public opinion will realise that regardless what we do, it will not change anything in that part of the world.
You can bet your bottom dollar that if there was no Oil there, then the yanks would have not have bothered to ram their so called democracy down these ragheads necks. Only fight the battles that you can win, and not those that you can't! I say, let the Arab's sort out their own problems in that part of the world. I mean, that we can always go in after and pick up the pieces, whatever is left! What say you?........
The yanks have had Vietnam, we have had Northern Ireland, and its blatantly obvious that the Politicians haven't learn't when to call it a day, and withdraw without sacrificing further soldiers lives with no gain whatsoever!
Time will tell!.....Don't you agree?
Subject: fally folk


Author:
tony grant
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Date Posted: 22:27:51 05/29/05 Sun

What a wonderful thing the internet is been on the bbc site and found their massive music archive i am sitting here listening to harvey andrews album writer of songs brilliant.
Subject: Band of Brothers


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 22:17:09 05/29/05 Sun

Also from the BBCi today:-

"Historian Stephen Ambrose, whose best-selling book Band of Brothers was turned into a successful TV mini-series, has died aged 66 after a struggle with lung cancer.

He wrote more than 30 books, including histories of 19th Century American explorers Lewis and Clark and the building of the US transcontinental railroad. But he was best known for his books about World War II, which helped revive interest in the conflict.

He was an adviser on Saving Private Ryan, the Oscar-winning film directed by Steven Spielberg, and on the mini-series Band of Brothers, which was based on his most popular book."

One of, if not THE best, WW2 drama / documentaries.
Subject: Dedication..........................


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 21:57:41 05/29/05 Sun

Damn, now I have gone and jogged my own memory again, of my days as a boy soldier. You remember I told you of the importance of winning the Champion Troop Competition? Well, one aspect of this competition was based on the annual PT test. In those days it was a 10 mile bash in full battle order, carrying the SLR and about 25Lbs in your backpack. For the purposes of this competition, there was an added 'bonus'. On returning to camp, we immediately had to complete the, quite daunting, obstacle course and fire ten rounds at 100yds, all the time wearing a respirator! At all stages of the competition we were judged and points docked for missed targets, obstacles not completed, time outside the set limits and general style.

During one particular competition, I can remember we had just been issued with the new 'Mickey Mouse' style respirators, you know, the ones with the big, square eyepieces? Anyway, halfway around the obstacle course, queuing to go over the 'Monkey Bars', someone started hammering on my back frantically. When I turned around to see what the panic was, the poor sod had puked in his gas mask and was drowning in his own vomit! Such was the crucial importance of doing well in this competition, no one, not even the poor bugger drowning, thought to pull off his mask. We called his plight to the attention of a P.S. and waited for him to do it! Then moaned like f**k because we where penalised for having one man short in our team!! Now................ that's.................. dedication! To quote the late Roy Castle.
Subject: Prodigal 2.................


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 21:23:38 05/29/05 Sun


Clive,

Headlines on BBCi today:-

"Home town triumph for Tom Jones
A 20,000 crowd laps up Tom Jones' 65th birthday concert in his home town of Pontypridd."

You're not looking to compete with this are you?

Just having a quiet moment to myself this evening and I suddenly remembered something about Nuneaton that I had previously forgotten. On the road coming into town from Abbey St station (the A47 I think?). On the left there was and, for all I know, still is a slag heap. It was conical in shape and looked like a mini volcano, approx 200ft high, at a guess. It was well established and was covered in grass and small plants. I especially remember it because it was a favourite place for the PTIs to take the boxing teams, for instance, to train. A couple of times up and down that thing and you know you had had a workout! I remember doing it one summer evening and, completely drowning in sweat and being totally knackered, thinking of the film that was doing the rounds at that time, "The Hill", staring, I think, Albert Finney and Shaun Connery. Wonder if it's still there?
Subject: AOL - Crap


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 18:45:59 05/29/05 Sun

Graham mate, take it from an old sweat, get rid of AOL as soon as possible. More trouble than they're worth. Get, just about, any other service provider and your on-line experience will be sp much better, I promise!
Subject: skype


Author:
rob robinson
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Date Posted: 17:55:23 05/29/05 Sun

I,m in total agreement with Dave, that skype is brilliant, I spoke to Dave last night and it was great to talk about old times. It brought back a lot of memories and it was good to hear voices from the past. I only hope that more of you take advantage of this and get on it as soon as poss, it really is good, and what could be better than talking to old mates in person, as well as using the message board. I hope to hear from more of you soon, try it, it dos,ent hurt.
Subject: Prodigal returns..........................


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 16:41:02 05/29/05 Sun

In June/July Clive (Taff) Tarr will be visiting the UK from his home in Australia. He will be spending some time, obviously, with family in Wales. On the 3rd July he and his good lady will be, hopefully, staying for a night at the Quality Hotel, Walsall, just off J10 of the M6 (the normal venue for 49 Bty reunions). As Clive will not be able to make the Sept get together (and I'm not too sure about next year yet?), it may be a great opportunity for anyone who remembers him, to catch up and have a drink with an old mate. Clive left the Bty while we were in Lippstad, to go to the School of Artillery. Clive, sorry mate, if I seem to be talking out of turn here. I know you are on the board (Sometimes!). Just thought I'd give you a bit of publicity, feel free to jump in any time you like!

I'm glad to say that the Skype utility is taking off with a bit more enthusiasm this time round. We now have 4 members in the club, so to speak, and others promising to join up soon. Great way to have a chat, FREE but we mustn't forget this message board folks. I know a lot of you out there are a bit shy of the keyboard and would rather waffle in person but there are also people out there who rely on this board to keep them in touch with the happenings of the Association. If anything, I'm kind of hoping the Skype thing will rekindle some more memories and generate a bit more traffic on here. So, by all means, get the Skype habit but keep a thought for those who are not on the net but get updates from mates on the message board and lets give them something to talk about too!
Subject: Ooops!....................


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 18:05:33 05/28/05 Sat

Speaking of 'fowl' mouthed feathered friends! Many years ago, I was a chauffeur to a Captain of Industry who was also a director of the Birmingham Botanical Gardens. The monthly board meetings would normally be held of an evening and, invariably, turn into a bit of a session that would lead up to a rather long and boring night for us drivers. One of the features of the B'ham Botanical Gardens was, and still maybe for all I know, a quite scruffy, elderly and talkative mynah bird that lived in the large greenhouse that was part of the entrance to the gardens. One night, myself and a colleague of mine, an ex Grenadier Guardsman named George Green (who's boss was named Bob Smart), decided to teach this bird a few squaddie phrases. After a couple of hours and not seeming to have much success, we gave up. Imagine our embarrassment then when, as our relevant bosses where leaving the boardroom and passing the perch of this crow, the bloody bird starts screaming "Bob Smart is a wanker!". As if that wasn't enough, we were informed, a couple of days later (during an interview without coffee!), that the bird had had to be removed from the public area as it was telling everybody to "f**k off". Good job our bosses where ex squaddies too and could see the funny side but they made us sweat for a few days I can tell you!
Subject: 'The Admirals Parrot'


Author:
Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 14:52:04 05/28/05 Sat

I was watching that advert concerning car insurance, and remembered a story relating to the subject matter about a parrot. All this took place in Woolwich and concerned that Commedian known as Jim Davidson. That guy was reknowned for his many marriages, apart from other things. Well too cut a long story short, he had an argument with this particular wife of the time, in regards this parrot that he had. This bird was quite 'blue' and I'm not refering to the unfeathered variety! She gave him an ultimatum that either this parrot go, or she would. So he had to give the parrot away as this woman would not compromise on the subject. He had a mate, who was the governor of a certain public house called 'The Admiral' who agreed to take this parrot. He used to have it in a cage behind the bar. And on occassions used to let this bird out to walk along this bar counter in front of the punters. The pub in question was a very popular haunt for squaddies at that time, was always packed usually three deep at the bar. A lot of women used to frequent this establishment, the usual camp followers, WRAC's, pads wives, you name it. Anyway this bloody bird used to waltz along the bar swearing and cursing at all these females, as it hated women for its own particular reason. The women used to love being abused by this bird. There is nothing stranger than the female. Don't you agree? Us guys used to be in hysterics over our alcoholic refreshments watching this bloody parrot strut it's stuff in full abusive flow! Surreal to say the least,
I think the governor of this pub must have given praise to the gods for delivering such a crowd puller into his establishment. I've never seen anything like this since, those carefree days. Happy memories....... Give me colourful characters everytime, including the feathered variety on this occassion! What say you?......
Subject: Well chuffed!...............


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 22:56:03 05/27/05 Fri

Well, I am chuffed to NAAFI-breaks!! Jim Martin has signed up to Skype and we have had a couple of very productive, lively and enjoyable chats. Tonight, another old mate, 'Robbo' Robinson, signed up and, although we didn't get to chat, on-line, (due to him having a bit of a technical difficulty - he hasn't got a built-in mic, even though his PC said he has!) I am confident that with the lay out of a couple of quid for a mic, he will be joining the club on line with FREE phone calls. Looking forward to trying out a conference call! Come on boys (and girls) get into the club! (well maybe not you girls) (well not if you don't want to, that is!) (well join the club, I mean. Not get in the club!) I think I'll stop digging here, Ahem!!

Seriously folks, give it some thought. Might be more useful than you think, especially if you have family and friends abroad and you use email anyway. Changing the subject, I hope you have all enjoyed the first real day of summer? Been a bit of a scorcher here in the Midlands and if the long range forecast is anything to be believed? It's not going to be the last, so stock up on sun screen. I see the first hose pipe ban has already been introduce in the south! Bloody cheek I think. You pay for your water and then they tell you not to use it! I have never understood why an island, such as we are, surrounded by water, can suffer a draught. A few, decent sized, desalination plants around the coast and problem solved, surely? So what if it cost a few millions, the water companies are charging enough, wouldn't hurt their shareholders to take a bit less for a few years and once the country was self sufficient, we might even be able to export a bit to the continent, thereby making even more profit for the investors!

Got to go now! Get ready to collect my son from his gig! (he's a D.J.) and I'm his 'roadie'. The things we put up with from our sprogs eh? Anybody fancy a chat? Skype me!! (brummygem).
Subject: skype


Author:
rob robinson
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Date Posted: 20:55:34 05/27/05 Fri

Dave I,m sorry mate I,ve got my sound settings wrong, I,ll try to sort it out.
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Subject: Skype utility


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 21:22:12 05/25/05 Wed

Following on from where Jim left off.

I Can't believe you lot don't know a good thing when you see it! This Skype utility that Jim has mentioned is really good. It's been out for a couple of years now, so there's no need to be wary of it because it's still a beta version. If you have a broadband connection and you have speakers connected to your PC (just about everybody, I suspect!) and you have, either a built in mic (usually built into the monitor) or access to a plug-in one, then Roberts your Uncle! FREE telephone calls over the Internet.

I'm not sure about this fact, but you may even be able to use it on a dial-up connection. The calls connected via the net are, and will always be, FREE. After all, you have already paid for the connection by being on the net and are, in that respect, treated just like your email (and you don't pay for them, do you?). Calls are not restricted and you can even swap great big files, which would have been very handy when I was trying to transfer the video of 'Armadillo' to Wes. For the cost of a local call, you can even connect to ordinary land lines and mobiles and you can get a 'phone' number for your friends and family to call you from an ordinary phone. That's how they make their money, of course but for P2P calls it's completely gratis. The programme takes about 30 sec to download (depending on your connection) and is FREE, takes about two minutes to install and set up. You are guided every step by a 'wizard' so no technical savvy is needed.

Jim McDougall and myself tested this utility about eighteen months ago. We set up a conference call between three of us and the sound quality is as good, if not better, than a land line phone. I tried to get people interested then but, I suspect, natural skepticism about 'something for nothing' may have put people off. Well, give it a go! As Jim said "You've got nothing to loose" and they have something like 2 million users now. You can even buy a telephone that connects to your PC via a USB connector! That's my sales pitch for Skype over and done with. I assure you I don't have anything to do with the Company but I do know a good thing when I see it!!

P.S. If you can't find the Skype site, let me know and I'll send you an introduction email.
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Subject: 'Northing Ventured , Nothing Gained'


Author:
Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 23:50:43 05/23/05 Mon

Dave, check out this Skype site on the internet if you get chance. Basically they are offering a free telephone service through the internet at no cost! Sounds to good to be true! As long as you have a microphone facility on your computer then you should be able to use this facility in question. Just hit Skype.com and check it out for yourself.
Download all the specific information if impressed and see where it takes you.
There has to be a catch in it somewhere, but as I have stated 'Nothing Ventured, Nothing Gained'
It's worth looking into at least!......Don't you think?
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Subject: reunion


Author:
clive tarr
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Date Posted: 12:02:07 05/23/05 Mon

When is the neat 49 battery reunion
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Subject: Drinking games


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 20:58:08 05/23/05 Mon

Jim, your chat about the various drinking games that the Germans love, brought to mind my first encounter with such. It was during a trip down to Bavaria and a group of us were having a drink in this Gasthoff. This middle aged gent came into the bar and seemed very happy to see us in there. It didn't take him long to introduce himself and, before we could say Adam, he had ordered a huge stein of beer (must have been three litres!) and was encouraging us to drink! Being British and squaddies to boot, we didn't need much encouragement and it wasn't long before the stein was emptied, much to the Germans consernation! He straight away ordered another and, again, ordered us to "Drink!" Again, it was finished, by one of us, and again, he ordered another, this time though with an obvious edge to his voice. On, an inevitable, trip to the toilets for a spot of relief, one of us was put in the picture by a local girl. Whoever finished the stein, the person to his right paid! Purely by chance, it had been one of us to the left of this German and, of course, he was lumbered with the bill. Once we where savvy to the custom, we made bloody sure that he paid for the beer for the rest of the evening. I don't remember leaving a more sorry looking geezer at a bar in all my life. Served the bugger right for trying to con the biggest cons in the world............................
Subject: 'Fally Haunts and Guesthouse Games'


Author:
Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 15:10:54 05/23/05 Mon

I too met another ex-squaddie who served in Fallingbostel. I've known him a long time, but didn't realise he too had served at that location. Well, we got to talk over a few drinks about our times there and the places that we used to hang out, so to speak. He remembered Klause's Bar very well and the Ratskellar. He was stationed with the 'Lancers' along from 3RTR. It certainly is a small world!....Don't you think?
Anyway we got onto the subject concerning drinking games that we participated in, particularly Dice games that used to be played in leather cups for beer mats usually with the guy that run the various establishments. Usually for drinks, mainly for shorts. Whether for Schnappes, or Ouzzo' that popular greek spirit! I remember playing 21's where 14 orders, 18 pays and 21 drinks. I forgot to mention that the drink could be anything alcoholic or a concoction of a number of different spirits, what we called a 'Berliner' basically a tot from every optic along the bar in one glass! A bloody lethal concoction. I remember playing this with such guys as Chris and Brandy Abbott and Willy Morgan and Richie Fieldhouse and various other characters of the time. Getting totally smashed out of one's brain! The Ratskellar was a regular haunt for such goings on that I can remember. Another popular game involved knocking a nail into a big chunk of wood that was mounted on a stand. The object of the exercise was to knock the nail flush into the wood, remembering that there was a group of people playing this. The rule being the last one to finish payed for the round of drinks for everyone that participated. It usually ended up quite expensive. The game became more serious depending on the amount of people that were playing. Bloody good fun never the less! Don't you think?......I could never understand why these games never took off in this country at the time. The Guesthouses were far more advanced over there in providing different entertainment than they were in this country of the time, suppose it comes down to different cultures. I think they we certainly had the best of it in them days!
What say you?
Subject: Unsuitable Links to 49 Inkerman OCA web site


Author:
Wes Harding
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Date Posted: 23:31:10 05/22/05 Sun

Having recieved a complaint from a member of the public about a link from our web site to the 42 Regiment OCA, on the "Links to the Bty/Regt page" The 49 Inkerman Battery OCA do not have any control over the contents of the 42 Regt OCA web site, We do not support the Links on this page and feel the Links are unsuitable and are offensive to our female members.
Subject: 'The Battery in Burma Campaign'


Author:
Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 13:13:35 05/22/05 Sun

The more that I delve into the history of that campaign, the more astounded I am of the remarkable stories of the veterans that fought over there. It's no wonder why my father was reluctant to go into any detail about what actually happened. He like many other veterans could never forgive or forget what the Japanese did. He like many others suffered frequent nightmares and bouts of malaria right up to the day he died. He would never buy anything made in Japan, that was for sure!
Been reading some truly horrific accounts of individuals off the 'Burma Star Association' web-site. Those interested should visit and peruse the various articles. I can highly recommend it.
I believe the Battery came under 9 Fld Regt, which in turn came under 20 Indian Divison which saw a fair amount of action in Burma. I'm going to try and plot the numerous battles that they were involved in between November'43 and July'45 on a wartime map of Burma. I know that they were at Imphal around 13 March'44. And on 23 January'45 they crossed the Irrawaddy north of Mandalay and on 13 February'45 they had established a solid bridgehead over the Irrawaddy despite fierce Japanese attacks.
The hard part is to plug the gaps in between the various battles that the Battery was involved with at that time.
If anybody out there can find any articles, whether from individuals or reports of anything to do with the Battery concerning that period, then either Terry or Wes would be glad of any information that we can obtain. Also any photographs would be a bonus relating to the above.
All this is particularly relervant to what will be going on in September concerning the OCA. Don't you agree?
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Subject: Nursery Rhymes


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 19:18:58 05/21/05 Sat

Over heard in the local school yard at playtime:

Mary, Mary, quite contrary
how does your garden grow?
I live in a flat
you silly pratt
how the f**k should I know?

Kids Eh!
Subject: Rant!................yet again?


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 20:31:02 05/18/05 Wed

I've just finished reading a story on the BBCi News and, frankly, I feel a rant coming on! The story was first reported in the 'Sun' so my first reaction was one of sceticism but, then I found other, more trustworthy, reports.

The story concerns a funeral cortege that was stoned by a group of young lads. The cars where taking the nieces of a beloved aunt to her final resting place and this group of degenerates decide it would be funny to throw stones and other missiles at the cars. A piece of wood was thrown, with such force, as to break the windscreen of the car following the hearse, and became lodged in the bodywork of the car. The driver managed to retain the presence of mind not to stop and proceeded, so as to cause minimal upset to the passengers. Words fail me!

I know it isn't fair to tar all youngsters with the same brush but what is the future of this country, if this is the standard of behaviour that we are allowing our young to get away with? Even if they are not getting away with it and we catch them, the punishment is so paltry and insignificant that they only laugh at it. Where do they even get the idea to do something like this? Have they no feelings for other people? Obviously not. We are breeding, and have bred, whole generations of anti-social people who think nothing of anyone but themselves. Even then, they have so little self respect. Their behaviour is so far outside the norm and alien to respectable society, that we tend to try to ignor it. Maybe it will go away? I despair, I really do! I'm afraid I have no answers and, I suspect, neither have the authorities and certainly not the bloody 'do gooders'. Things are just too far gone to recover from now. Without some real soul searching and facing up to the fact that we need to swallow some really nasty medicine, as a society, I can only see thing getting worse.

Anyone who doesn't agree or thinks I am being too pessimistic? Now's your chance to air your views. Am I talking b***ocks? Don't care for my opinions? Then tell me! Give me a reason to change my mind! Give me a counter argument! I'm quite reseptive to reason you know...............................................
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Subject: Photos


Author:
Derek Melia
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Date Posted: 23:17:26 05/19/05 Thu

This is a quick note to any of you guys who may be attending the 42 Regt reunion its just a request to ask if you attend and take photos please send me copies or e mail me with attatchments of 49 Bty lads whilst Im here Im still on the lookout for more photos old and new including all ex 49 past or present, If the photos are of serving 49 Bty members please supply some info ie names dates and locations if possible so they can be included in the latest photo cd.
Derek Melia
Subject: Another story...


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 20:50:53 05/18/05 Wed

On a lighter note:

A man gets up one morning to find his wife already in the kitchen cooking.

He looks to see what she's cooking, and sees one of his socks in the frying
pan.

"What are you doing?" he asks.

"I'm doing what you asked me to do last night when you came to bed very
drunk," she replied

Completely puzzled, the man walks away thinking to himself, "I don't
remember asking her to cook my sock..."
Subject: home from holiday


Author:
tony grant
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Date Posted: 12:44:21 05/18/05 Wed

Well lads back from sunny sussex. I was have a quite drink in the Woolpack[herstmonceaux] when i got too talking to a chap [about my age 40] and much to my surprise he was stationed in fally with 3rtr from 72/75 and remembers the James Brown club. His quarter was above Roy Diskett,after a few more lemonades he remembers me and a billy Hamilton first footing roy, what a small world.
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Subject: 'Spearpoint ' Reunion.


Author:
Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 15:12:57 05/17/05 Tue

Attended a Reunion in Coventry on Saturday night and met a few of the guys from my Lippstadt days. One who used to be an officer reminded me of the time that we did the biggest exercise in Germany 'Spearpoint' as part of a battle group as a forward OP with a Tank squadron. We had spent many weeks in preparation. As exercises go this was the nearest thing you could get to, without having to go through the real thing! Starting very near the border and working backwards. I remember that I had never seen so much Armour on the move at one time. Bombing about the countryside in the back of a Mk1. 432 was not my idea of fun especially when all the crew went down with fuel contamination in some form or degree. Health and Safety was not a prime consideration on an exercise that big!
I remember being leaguered up at the edge of a wood and all these Kraut families out on a Sunday stroll milling about looking at all this Armour on display. I remember thinking that it was like being in a Zoo with all these people looking into all this equipment seeing all these squaddies either zonked out or in various stages of undress. I remember certain elements of the TA digging slit trenches around our position. I was sent to see why we couldn't get any communications out of these buggers only to find them all crashed out, sleeping their heads off in the bottom of the slit trenches. Half of their guys went down with Hypothermia! To be fair they had only been sent over from the UK two days previous and they had not acclimatized. We had been out for weeks in the field so to speak! So much for these weekend soldiers! What say you?....
Subject: Is this the way to Armyrillo?


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 19:53:45 05/15/05 Sun

For those of you with a broadband connection, this is a must see, for those with dial-up you must have a load of patience as the download is 53Mb and may take a while. This is a spoof on the Peter Kay video "Is this the way to Amarillo?" and is called "Is this the way to Armyrillo?". It's been put together by the lads in the sand pit and is as good, if not funnier than the Peter Kay version.

Click here for download

When you get to the ghost-rider site, click on "Is this the way to Amarillo?", suggest you save it to your hard drive and download the whole file before playing it because if you just stream it, it tends to use up the guys bandwidth and can get a bit 'bitty'. Well worth the effort though.

I do have a copy on my hard drive, so if anyone has a problem I can eamil the clip to you!
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Subject: Reunion photos


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 21:46:18 05/14/05 Sat

Derek, just spent the best part of the evening looking at the reunion photo disc. Absolutely first class my friend, thank you. So many old faces to be instantly recognised and yet a lot more so infuriatingly anonymous, recognised but unable to put a name to the face. Didn't realise how much I had missed by not coming until the evening too. Won't make that mistake again!! Thank you once again.
Subject: Further 'legends'


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 19:04:57 05/13/05 Fri

Here's another little 'legend' for you to ponder over and decide on the truth of. I was told, as a boy soldier, that the reason why the British 'Tommy' always lace their boots using the straight across method, as opposed to criss-cross, is that, during the war in the far east (against the Japanese) the Gurkha soldiers would 'pick-off' the nips by, surreptitiously, feeling their laces and whispering, in English, "You Johnny?". If they felt the criss-crossed laces and the answer, to the question wasn't in the affirmative, damned quick, they would silently cut the throat of the wearer of the laces. Nice little story but true or false?................
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Subject: Long time away


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Tom McFadden
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Date Posted: 15:40:55 04/30/05 Sat

Dear all,

I know it is a bit late however I have been away for some time - thought I would just mention that I heard the reunion went very well. WELL DONE TO ALL CONCERNED. Hope you are all well and life is treating you all well.

Noticed the site is only being used by a few, whats happened to everyone?? Keith Philp, Steve Fergusson, Billy Dainty, Taff Baker etc etc - come on lads pull your *u**ing fingers out and get typing..............
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Subject: white lanyards


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rob robinson
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Date Posted: 14:25:21 05/13/05 Fri

I heard that the R/A at one time wore two lanyards, i/e one on each shoulder, and the reason we lost the right to wear them was when the japs took Singapore, the Aussie Artillery left the guns and the japs used them against our own troops, fact, seen on the history channel.
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Subject: 'V.E Day Celebrations'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 11:54:27 05/11/05 Wed

This year is very important as I consider that it will be an end to how we commenorate the passing of WW11.
So, to that end its got to be rather special how we mark the occassion. A hell of a lot of work has been done in the background by Terry and Wes to organise these planned events in September. We should all offer our support, as Dave has also requested, once we knew that the OCA had obtained this lottery grant to provide certain events for young and old in the communities. We would want to make this a truly memorable Event that nobody will forget.
Anybody see on Sunday night the entertainment from Trafalgar square as televised by the b.b.c?
Two things stand out for me, both concerning Paddy Holmes interviewing two different veterans. One was the actor Richard Todd who appeared in films such as 'The Dambusters' and the 'Longest Day'. I didn't know that he actually took part in the D.Day drop on Pegasus bridge. Then to take part in the reanactment of that event in the film 'The Longest Day' must have really been surreal, don't you think?....
The second interview he asked a veteran what hotel he had been in when all this had been going on! This guys reply was priceless when he said Hirohito's! The look on Paddy's face, when he had realised that he had dropped a bollock on live television. The guy had been wearing his medals with the Burma Star on full view. Holmes must have gone away and kicked his so-called Researcher right the way around the square for making him look such an idiot!
September is the best time to hold these events as it combines V.E and V.J Days that makes it more appropriate!
Don't you think?..........
Subject: Computer Security


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 21:04:37 05/10/05 Tue

Just a quick word about your computer security. I have on many an occassion, harped on about the need for vigilance and to be aware of the potential for damage and nuisance caused by viruses and spyware. If you are unsure whether your PC is safe, click on the address below and run their tests.

http://www.grc.com/

I am very happy to say that my PC passed all tests and is considered VERY secure. I can tell you how much relief that gives me. Because it means that as well as being secure myself I'm not, unwittingly, passing anything on to others.
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Subject: The White Lanyard


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 17:02:15 05/09/05 Mon

The following article is, quite blatantly copied by myself, from the ARmy Rumour SEvice site and with particular thanks to the identity behind the avitar, "Gunners Quadrant".

ORIGINS OF THE LANYARD & THE CLASSIC SAPPER LEG-PULL

There has long been a tale-usually told by Sappers-about the Gunners wearing a white lanyard for cowardice, allegedly for deserting their guns. Of course, the story is nothing more than a piece of leg pulling. The tradition of winding up stems from the age-old rivalry between the two sister corps founded under the Board of Ordnance and trained together in Woolwich. However, I am still being asked by ARRSE members whether this story is true, so it is time it was put to rest.

Lanyards associated with dress came into use in the late 19th Century, when field guns, such as the 12 and 15 pounders, used ammunition which had fuzes set with a fuze key. The key was a simple device, and every man had one, attached to a lanyard worn around the neck. The key itself was kept in the breast pocket until needed. The lanyard was a simple piece of strong cord, but it was gradually turned into something a bit more decorative, smartened up with blanco and braided, taking its present form.

Prior to the South African War, Gunners were issued with steel folding hoof picks, carried on the saddle or in the knife. In about 1903 these were withdrawn and replaced with jack knives, which were carried in the left breast pocket of the Service Dress attached to a lanyard over the left shoulder.

In the war years that followed, the lanyard could be used as an emergency firing lanyard for those guns which had a trigger firing mechanism, allowing the gunner to stand clear of the guns recoil.

The question of which shoulder bore the lanyard depends on the date. There is no certainty about this, but the change from the left shoulder to the right probably took place at about the time of the Great War, when a bandolier was introduced, because it was worn over the left shoulder. But there are some who insist that 1924 was the date of change, when sloping of rifles over the left shoulder would soil the white lanyard.

Eventually in 1933, the end of the lanyard was simply tucked into the breast pocket without the jack-knife, though many will remember that it was often kept in place with the soldiers pay book! On the demise of Battle Dress, the lanyard disappeared for a short time, but returned as part of the dress of the Royal Regiment of Artillery in 1973.

It may surprise many readers that this particular piece if leg-pulling is repeated in various forms. The gold stripe in the Gunner stable belt stems from the colours of the uniform at the time the stable belt was introduced. It was not a question, as the jokers would have it, of yellow stripes for cowardice!

Equally ludicrous is the suggestion that the Gunners has seven flames, as opposed to the sappers nine, because we lost two guns at some point in history!

I invite you sappers to produce your evidence. No change to any of the Armys dress regulations can take place without a formal order, and-let us be realistic! it is ridiculous to suppose that the Army Board in its wisdom would countenance the idea of a badge of shame to be worn by any branch of the Service.

It would guarantee that no one would ever join it! And since no such evidence exists, your storys falls flat on their face. One might even ask why other arms and corps wear lanyards?

They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!!!
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Subject: Ireland


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Derek Melia
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Date Posted: 16:38:26 05/06/05 Fri

Hi Dave,
Not forgot your disc send it asap,Who remembers the singer
Harvey Andrews I think every soldier who served in Belfast or Derry had a copy of his record Soldier I lost mine about 30years ago but have just managed to get it on a cd of Harvey Andrews called Writer of songs it certainly brings back memories if anyone cant get a copy and would like one drop me a line.Im still looking for more photos,
Lippstadt,fally,NI,Devizes.
Derek Melia.
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Subject: Initiative Tests


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 23:08:05 05/09/05 Mon

Does anyone remember those 'Initiative Tests' we used to get sent on, when things got a bit 'slow'? I have a vague memory of one such test that must have taken place fairly early in 1966. I can't remember a lot about it but I do remember that Collin Harris and myself were paired up to do various tasks. The trouble is, I also remember doing an initiative test as a boy soldier but I can't distinguish the tasks that I remember being given, between the two. Does that make sense?

What I do remember about the test that Collin Harris and I undertook, is that it led us to spending a night as guests of a German Submarine Base at Kiel. The only accommodation that they could fit us into, was a cell in their guardroom but they, kindly, left the door open for us and kept us pretty much entertained, well into the wee small hours. The next morning they took us off to their cookhouse for breakfast before setting us on the road again. We helped ourselves to a cup of coffee and a couple of slices of hard black bread, which we tucked away in haste, ready for the cooked bit (you know, eggs, bacon, fried bread, tomatoes etc!) only to be very disappointed to find that that was IT! I seem to recall that, as we had no money and were starving by mid-day, we abandoned the exercise and headed straight back to Lippstadt for a square meal. The journey back was greatly assisted by us getting a lift with a German Kamikaze Pilot in training. He was driving a Porsche, 2 seater, and I was unfortunately squeezed into the space behind the driver. He took great delight in demonstrating the acceleration of his beast by pulling out into the left hand lane, suddenly and usually when a bloody great truck was coming the other way, and 'racing' it to the next gap in the traffic. I think that's when I got my first grey hairs!....................
Subject: 'That White Lanyard'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 15:49:12 05/09/05 Mon

Does anyone remember when we had the white lanyard reinstated to our dress uniforms?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was when we were serving in Fallingbostel! I can't remember the actual history of when it was withdrawn, but it was something to do with some Artillerymen leaving the 'colours' in other words, the Guns during some battle or other many years ago! Apparently they didn't even spike the Guns in question! Due to this conduct unbecoming, that was classed as a dishonnor at the time, the lanyard was withdrawn as a punishment. Can anybody remember when this incident took place, or more to the point during what conflict this happened?
I think most of us used to weigh this down with a church key or bottle opener on the end of this lanyard which proved to be very useful when alcoholic refreshments were deemed necessary which was quite often. Never needed any excuse for a piss up ! What say you?
Talking of piss ups, I'm off to Coventry next weekend to attend the 27 Penal Panzer Regimental 'Bash'. Those of you that have read any books by Sven Hassel will understand where I'm coming from regarding the 27 'pun'. Those who went on to serve with them after disbandment of 42 and are going, then I'll see you there. I believe that there are a few of the lads of the 49 OCA, who indeed joined us at Lippstadt. Apart from those that came with the Battery in '81. I will be one of those propping the bar up in that concrete jungle that is Coventry. Cheers lads!........
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Subject: After the election......................


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 22:00:59 05/05/05 Thu

Clive, long time since I was a BOY but thanks for the sentiment. Good to see you back on the board. I'm certain the reason you are missing from the members list, is because Wes doesn't have any details. Drop him or Terry Walton an email and between them, they will fill you in on the details of the OCA and rectify the omission.

Wes, great news reference the R.A. Historical Society. I hope to, one day, have the honour of visiting the Bty History Room. It sound most impressive! Well done to 49 (Inkerman)Head Quarters Bty for keeping the tradition going. What with all the defence cuts, who knows how much longer we will have any form of current sponsorship? But, with this Association at least, the Bty will be represented for a good few years yet.

Tony, did my duty this morning. I hope all of the OCA did likewise? I'm pretty certain that you would because, like me, you know the sacrifices that were made to make sure we retain the privilege of having a choice of who governs us. I just hope that the incoming government, whom so ever they may be, are suitably appreciative of that fact! Though, somehow, I doubt it. I fear it will be the same lot and they will see this further term as some sort of vote of confidence. I still live in hope that the result will be a shock to them or at least a wake-up call but I'm not holding my breath! Oh well, at least it's nearly all over for another four years.

I like the Sgt Maj story too. Reminds me of the Bty parade one morning where we were all ordered to drop our trousers for a short arm inspection. The BSM comes up to the first guy and lets him have such a whack in the stomach with his stick. "Does that hurt soldier?" enquires the BSM. "No Sir!" exclaims the soldier. "Why's that?" asks the BSM. "Because I'm a Gunner and proud of it!" comes the answer. Moving down the front rank, the BSM gives out the same treatment to each man and gets the same answer. Coming to the second but last man in the front rank, he is rather taken aback to see the guy has a pretty impressive 'woody'. Whack! goes his stick, right across the rigid member. "does that hurt?" asks the BSM. "No Sir!" comes the surprising answer. "Why not?" asks the BSM. "Because it belongs to the guy behind me, Sir!" comes the reply.

OK....................I'll get me coat!
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Subject: 'Never Choke in a Southern Restaurant'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 14:22:09 05/07/05 Sat

Two good ol'boys walk into a bar. While having a shot of whiskey, they talk about their moonshine operation. Suddenly, a woman at a nearby table, who is eating a sandwich, begins to cough. After a minute or so, it becomes apparent that she is in real distress.

One of the hillbillies looks at her and says, "Kin yer swaller?" The woman shakes her head No. "Kin yer breathe?" The woman is turning blue and shakes her head No!

The hillbilly walks over to the woman, lifts up the back of her dress, yanks down her drawers, and quickly gives her right arse cheek a lick with his tongue.

The woman is so shocked that she has a violent spasm and the obstruction flies out of her mouth. As she begins to breathe again, the hillbilly slowly walks back to the bar.

His partner says,"Ya know, I'd heard of that there "Hind Lick Maneuver", but I ain't never seed nobody do it!".....
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Subject: Members Page


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Wes
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Date Posted: 10:07:39 05/08/05 Sun

Check out the Members page of the site, check out the sound, working on the sound for the Home Page.

Cheers
Wes
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Subject: V.E. Day celebrations


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 20:08:23 05/06/05 Fri

I see that the Labour party have wasted no time in bringing Blind Pew (Blunkett) back into the fold! Says a lot for the moral turpitude of the party. Enough politics, I promise not to say any more on the subject.

Instead, another link for you to click on. This one takes you to another slide show with sound but not as solemn as the Belsen link:

VE day link

I don't know about the rest of you but Winston Churchills voice still stirs the blood in such a way as no parliamentary leader since?
Subject: 'Election Blues or having a Bad Day?


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 13:29:01 05/06/05 Fri

O.K so they are still in government and the only downside is that we have to put up with them for another term of office regardless I concede that the writing is on the wall for 'new labour'...its just a matter of time. Micheal Howard could never pull it off as long as he has a hole in his arse particularly with his history. At least he has the wit to stand down. Blair on the other hand I believe will not last the full term. The sooner the better maybe, as they have achieved what they wanted too, a third term in office no less! They will not have it all their own way this time around, and I predict that Radical change will happen, it is only a question of when! Don't you agree?
What?...STILL having a Bad Day??? News Flash!!!
Iraqi terrorist Khay Rahnajet didn't pay enough postage on a letter bomb. It came back with 'Return to Sender' stamped on it. Forgetting it was the bomb, he opened it and was blown to bits!
There now, feeling better ???.........
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Subject: Home Front Recall Page


Author:
Wes
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Date Posted: 18:55:40 05/05/05 Thu

Have you checked out the Sergeant Major on the Home Front Recall Page.
Subject: voting


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tony grant
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Date Posted: 10:36:16 05/05/05 Thu

I have just voted which I think should be manadatory for everyone over 16.I really hate people who moan about what the goverment are doing and do not vote people fought for the right to vote.Well lads off on my hols for a few days off to the family farm in sussex[gods county].
Subject: I am back!!!


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clive tarr
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Date Posted: 10:24:24 05/05/05 Thu

I always had trouble with that PARKER boy when he was one of my battery signallers It is good to see he has"nt changed.

Yes I have returned to the fold after wasting my time on the 42 site for so long??? How come I am missing from the old comrades board?
Subject: History of 49 Inkerman Battery


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Wes
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Date Posted: 21:48:27 05/04/05 Wed

The Battery hosted the Royal Artillery Historical Society to day at Allenbrooke Barracks, The BC Simon Reader gave a Lecture/Presentation of the History of 49 Inkerman Battery,
Also it was the first time the new layout out of the Battery History room was seen, I must say it was impressive, and with the Computer set up showing all the photo's which Derek Melia transfered on to disk from the Battery Photo Album's looking the part. Any members who wish to visit the History room can do by contacting the BSM Gary Tabone on 01845 595243.
Subject: Music of the North Concert


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Mick
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Date Posted: 16:27:56 05/03/05 Tue

Are any of you Thirsk lads going to the Music of the North Concert at Allenbrook Barracks on the 14th May. I will be there with her indoors, should be a good night for a tenner.
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Subject: 1812 Overture


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 20:21:43 05/04/05 Wed

I see the finale for the "Music of the North" concert is to be the 1812 Overture, accompanied by gun fire. This fact has triggered a very dim and distant memory of the first time I ever heard of this being done, in the sixties. The 25 pounders of the JLLRA were involved, I think (but it may have been Kings Troop, I'm not at all sure?) and, if I'm not mistaken, it took place in Stratford - upon - Avon and involved a massive, 1,000 piece orchestra. Apparently, and here I have to rely on a very shaky memory, the guns where situated near some quite, new blocks of flats near the edge of the riverside parkland where the concert was taking place. As the music reached it's crescendo and the first salvo of gunfire boomed out across the meadows, windows in the blocks of flats began to shatter and continued to do so as each gun fired in it's part of the programme. There was hell to play because the siting of the Bty was deemed too close to the flats but only in hindsight. The majority of the huge audience, of course, knew nothing about this and had a wonderful sound (and visual) experience. I did see a similar performance carried out in Cannon Hill Park, in Birmingham, a few years ago, only instead of guns they used fireworks and it was truly, spectacular. I would strongly recommend that anyone who has the chance to see something like this, takes the opportunity. You won't be disappointed, I promise. Certainly got the old patriotic blood stirring. Almost as good as the "Last night of the Proms" !!
Subject: 'Election Fever or a time for a Change?'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 11:58:05 05/04/05 Wed

Been off the message board for a short time to reflect on things. Sometimes it is good to stand back and watch what is happening and view things from a different perspective. I'm very sceptical about anything to do with Politicians, their lies, and their personal agenda's. I do not believe that there is much to choose from between the main candidates except they only come out of the woodwork when they want your vote. Though I do believe that we need radical change within this Country. It seems like to coin a phrase, slidding down a razor blade and using your balls as brakes! Apathy is a vote to continue with this so called government and their madcap policies. So if you want more of the same then don't vote. Me personnally, realise that its time to be counted and I shall make the effort because without radical change this Country can only go from bad to worse. I find it relevant that this election clashes with the start of the V.E Day celebrations, a relevant remminder of why people fought against tyranny and repression so that we could make our mark on a ballot paper and hopefully change society for the better!.....Don't you think?
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Subject: Another.......boring............day............zzzzzzzzzzzzz


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 18:20:42 05/02/05 Mon

I don't know if it's just me (you buggers don't answer questions on this board, so I won't bother asking) but my 'junk' email seems to have dried up. I use an email programme called Incredimail and one of the features is that I have a "Junk & Unapproved" box that does just what it says on the label. Unless I have already approved the addressee, it all goes into the junk box and I clean it out a few times a day. Now, at first I was getting approx 10 - 15 junk mails a day. This gradually increased, until it peaked (for a couple of months) at about 60 per day. Then started to drop off, slowly, and for the last few months has been pretty steady at approx 20 per day. In the past week, however, I have only been getting three or four per day and, over this weekend, I have had two days without any at all. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining,................. well I am!..............no I'm not...............well. The thing is, when I was getting loads of crap, I knew my email was working OK. Now I get nothing and I'm worrying that something is wrong with my email programme? No pleasing some people is there? (Funny, that's just what Jesus said, Sir!) Sorry, can't help it. Certain phrases remind me of my favourite film "The life of Brian". Anyway, back to the email. I know it's working because I can send emails out, no problem. It's just that I get so few genuine emails (Aaaaa!) I get paranoid. How f***ing sad am I?

There are, actually, a couple of reasons why that this state of affairs could have come about. I don't open junk emails (even to see what they are about) I just delete them off hand. I used to 'bounce' them back to the sender, until I was advised that all that accomplished was to confirm that my email address was 'live' and guaranteed even more junk. Even just opening and reading a junk mail can reveal the fact that your email address is live. I started to use a 'proxy' to download material off the net. This is called "my trash mail". It's a free service and it allows me to use their web site to download to, using their email address and a 'temporary' account (7 days) that they set up for me. Setting up the account is as easy as picking a name and sticking it on the front of their email address i.e. donky@mytrashmail.com. I then collect it from them (using the name 'donkey'). They promise not to pass on your email address and, so far (ten months), appears to be genuine.

There you are folks, another ten minutes of you life wasted reading my drivel.........................
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Subject: Welcome back Clive.............................


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 17:21:59 05/03/05 Tue

Hello again muckers! Just had an email from my old mate Clive Tarr. Reintroduced him to this site (well he is a Welshman and, now, an Aussie to boot but we won't hold that against him will we? After all, he is one of our own and he does have the good grace to use Inkerman as his email address, proving he has some good tastes at least) so, hopefully, we may be treated to someone else's memories/tales soon. Clive, every little bit helps (as the blind man said as he pissed in the sea!) all contributions are welcome. Speak to you all again soon..............
Subject: missing


Author:
rob robinson
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Date Posted: 19:49:04 05/02/05 Mon

Hello boys I,m back, sorry I have,nt been on for a while, but I have had lots of problems that I have had to sort out. You all seem to be ok and that is good, and I have been catching up on what you all have been having to say. God you have been sprouting the bullshit, still it was entertaining, i/e, boy soldiers N/I, and what have you, you certainly brought back the memories. Keep it up, would like to hear more.
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Subject: Rough Justice


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 22:04:12 05/01/05 Sun

Just been having a little thunk about my last message, reference the 'Laughing Policeman'. I remember those days, growing up in the late fourties and the fifties, and the days when we still had the 'beat' policeman. In those days the policeman had to be of a minimum height (5' 10" I think) but most were around 6ft and they seemed, to me at least, that they were mostly middle aged (well at youngest, late twenties). I remember the huge amount of respect that we, as kids, treated them with too. In those days it was still acceptable for the local plod to dish out a 'thick-ear' to any young miscreant that had the misfortune to be caught in the act but didn't necessarily deserve to be dragged through the legal system. I can still vividly recall my own taste of swift justice.

It was a, deep into, winter afternoon and I was walking home from school, along the Mosely Road. I must have been all of 8 years old, and the snow was about 3ft deep, crisp and even. Kids nowadays don't believe us when we tell them that we had to walk back and forth to school, four times a day (unless we were lucky enough to stay dinners!) and that my school was probably a good 2 - 2.1/2 miles away from my home, even in the city. Anyway, back to the story. So there I was trudging along in the snow, on a busy main road when I saw this huge pantechnicon approaching me. Without hesitation, I grabbed a couple of handfuls of snow and molding a wicked snowball, let fly at the huge side of this behemoth, with the satisfying result of a terrific BOOM! reverberating from what must have been an empty cargo space. People all around me jumped and ducked and flinched and the driver of the lorry slammed on his anchors. I, obviously, by this time was in a flat sprint away from the scene of the crime. After about a hundred yards, in 10 sec's, I started to stroll along as if I was as innocent as the day I was born, failing to see the plod who had witnessed the whole shenanigan. The first I knew he was there, was when my head exploded and a terrific pain shot through my, near frozen, lughole. Immediately, I burst into tears and through my ringing ears I heard him tell me to "Never do anything like that again, as I could have caused a very nasty accident" and I was dismissed, straight off home. Needless to say, arriving home still blatting, I received short shrift from my mum when I told my sorry tale and was lucky she didn't tell my dad, or I would have got another 'thick ear' to match. I never threw snowballs at traffic again though. Those were the days.....................
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Subject: Sad news..............


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 14:33:48 05/02/05 Mon

Good afternoon folks! Here we are, yet another glorious bank holiday. I don't know about you but it seems to me that we have far too many bank holidays grouped around this time of year? We may even get another one if the 23rd (St Georges day) is made a bank holiday too. I think we could do with a couple between August - Christmas and Christmas - Easter. Maybe you can't do a lot in the middle of winter but it would be nice, for those of you unfortunate enough to have to work, to have bit of a winter break.

Two deaths have been reported over this weekend that I think deserve comment on. Firstly, the death has occurred of, one of only about a dozen, first world war veterans at the age of 106. Difficult to appreciate just how long ago that conflict was. The second death is much more close to mind. The 87th fatal casualty of the present Iraqi war has claimed the life of yet another of our brave lads and lassies still out there in the sand pit. To the relatives and friends of both deceased, and on behalf of this Association, I would like to extend our sincerest condolences to you all. They shall not be forgotten. On that sad note, I'll leave you for now. Speak to you all again soon........
Subject: 60th Anniversary


Author:
Mick
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Date Posted: 21:24:20 05/01/05 Sun

I would like to say a very big WELL DONE to Terry for securing the Lottery Grant and all the good things he is doing for the local community.

As you all know 42 Regt OCA received a grant from these people and I know how Terry must have felt when he got the letter of confirmation.

Once again from the rest of the Regiment, WELL DONE TERRY.
Subject: Evening all


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 16:13:32 05/01/05 Sun

Back again ready for another evening of lively chatter and bonhomie (well from my end, that is). Just going for a quick dip in the bath, dinner and then you have my undivided attention!
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Subject: 'Nanny State'


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 16:20:15 04/30/05 Sat

I have just been reading a story, on the BBCi news, about a police station in Woodbridge, Suffolk, that is to have it's flag pole removed on Health and Safety grounds. Apparently the flag pole is one of those sticking from the wall and is accessed by a window. Anyone who raises or lowers the flag has to lean out of the window. The article doesn't say how many poor unfortunates have fallen out of this window, over the years but it did strike me as another example of the 'nanny state'. I mean, if you can't trust a policeman to raise a flag without falling out of the window, what do you trust him to do? Don't answer that................................
Subject: In da house.............................


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 15:53:08 04/30/05 Sat

Evening all! I'm on line and ready for anything. Tom, I have no idea why they don't contribute? According to the figures, they are viewing and so are visiting, just dumb (not necessarily stupid though).
Subject: Broadband Vs Dial-up..................No contest!


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 21:40:57 04/28/05 Thu

Chris Dunham, I'm surprised to learn you only have a dial-up connection to your ISP. I have had broadband from day one and I'm bound to say there just isn't any competition. You say your download from ZoneAlarm took 25 mins! well I too downloaded my upgrade last night and it took less than 2mins. from start to finish. Including reconfiguring because I took the ZoneAlarm Pro, 15 day trial version, it took just 8 mins or so. I must recommend broadband to anyone taking this medium seriously. Particularly with so many ways of getting it now and so many cheap offers going around. Just bare in mind, that with an 'always-on' system, the need for security vigilance is paramount.

While I'm singing the praises of broadband, can I also recommend Opera (free!) as a browser. Compared to Windose Internet Explorer, it is blisteringly fast and ten times more secure. You can 'import' all your I.E. favourites with just a couple of clicks of the mouse, so there's no need to spend hours reconfiguring or changing your browser habits. Also with the latest version, 8, you get to play with voice activated operation. Provided you have speakers and a mic attached, of course. I've only mastered a few of the commands at the moment, there are hundreds, but it is getting more like '2001 - A Space Odyssey' every day (except my P.C. isn't called 'Al'). OK, lecture over but, seriously Chris (and anyone else out there), if you can afford it and it's available in your area? Get it! I promise you your on-line experience will be so much better.
Subject: Speaking of veterans............................


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 18:25:10 04/28/05 Thu

Has anyone else heard about this new 'award' being issued by the MoD? Apparently it is called the "H.M. Armed Forces Veterans" badge.

According to the MoD website, "The new badge, designed to be worn in the lapel of civilian attire of former service personnel, has been developed in association with veterans' organisations and is intended to help the wider public recognise veterans and the contribution they made.

Veterans of World War l are also eligible to receive the badge and if there is sufficient demand, consideration may be given to extending eligibility to veterans of more recent campaigns."

I have, shamelessly, cut & pasted the above quote from elsewhere and I agree with the person who posted it, that the badge is primarily aimed at WW2 veterans. It is also my understanding, that this badge is on free issue from the Mod. If all this is true, then I take umbrage at the MoD. Though I am not old enough to have served in WW2, I did serve 12 years of my life as a member of H.M. Armed Forces and consider myself a veteran. Though not strictly 'at war' during any part of my service, it was wholly during the, so called, "Cold War" years and I did my share of stints in the 'police action' of N.I. (and have the medal to prove it). Surely, if you serve a term in H.M. Forces and are not dishonourably discharged, you must qualify as a veteran? and, if qualified, entitled to the badge?.....................Watch and wait!!!!
Subject: WELL DONE TERRY!!


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 17:47:45 04/28/05 Thu

As most of you will have had your letters by now and Wes has announced on this, wonderful site (click on the 'home front recall' button on the front page, for those who might have missed it!) the news of the fantastic efforts of our own Terry Walton in securing a most magnificent grant from the Lottery people, to help celebrate the 60th anniversary of the end of WW2.

I would like to be the first, on this board, to congratulate Terry and to say "Well done Terry" for the outstanding effort and dedication to making this OCA one of, if not THE, best OCA in existence. The programme of events, as set out, will require a bit of effort from us to make it a memorable celebration for a lot of children and old people. I know the old army maxim of "never volunteer for anything!" but, in this case, let's forget it. When asked 'volunteers, step forward one pace' let there be a resounding, crash of feet! OK, more of a shuffle, I know but lets get behind Terry 110%, it's the least we can do!

Once more, and I know I speak for most of you out there, well done Terry and I look forward to seeing a lot of you again in September. By the way Wes, I like the new front page of the site (looks most professional!. Well done to you too.
Subject: Moan, moan, but then again........... I was a squaddie


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 20:28:02 04/27/05 Wed

I have had one of those days today. Off to the shops for the mrs this morning and, on the way, noticed a horrible squealing noise every time I turned the steering wheel to the left. The noise seemed to be coming through the radio speakers, even when I turned it off! Then, just as I got into Halesowen, the noise changed to more of a grating sound. Now, not being mechanically minded ( especially where modern cars are concerned, though mine is 15 years old) I thought it may be the steering rack on its way out so off I trotted to the garage. Now I don't know about you lot out there but I hate going to the garage to get any repairs done (always think I'm being ripped off?) even though I know that the one I use is pretty good. For instance, a few months ago the ignition light came on and stayed on. I immediately jumped to the conclusion that the alternator had gone kaput and trotted off to the garage. They agreed with my prognosis and quoted £70 + labour and I left it with them. I had no sooner got in the house, when I had a phone call from them to say that when they went to fit the new alternator they discovered a fan belt missing (obviously it had snapped and dropped off) so all I had to pay was £7.50 + labour, £22. They could have told me they had replaced the alternator and I wouldn't have been any the wiser and would have coughed up the £130 originally quoted.

Anyway, back to the story. After checking it out, they said it was a knackered brake disc and worn brake disc pads and would cost £80 to fix. They said they could do it right away so I left it with them. Another phone call an hour later and the bad news was that the brake caliper was so corroded, it had snapped off when trying to remove the worn disc and pads. A new one was quoted at £120 but they could scrounge a secondhand one for £30 so it's costing £120 instead of £80. Oh well, need must I suppose. I couldn't be without it now, it's my life line. Without it I would be virtually house bound, I find public transport just too difficult to cope with nowadays. So it's a case of 'put up or shut up' so I guess I'd better do both. Speak to you soon...........................
Subject: 'The Army Chitty Culture'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 11:23:46 04/27/05 Wed

Everything that you did in them days revolved around paperwork of some discription or other. To be excused duties or excused wearing certain items of clothing or boots, or the old favourite of being excused PT was a sought after chitty. One of the hardest ones to obtain used to be the excused shaving chitty! I can remember this junior Officer giving one of the lads a bollocking for not saluting him, never mind that the lad in question had his right arm in a sling at the time! Due to the fact that he had not obtained a chitty from the M.O stating excused saluting and that he had two arms was evident, that this idiot Rupert was going to pursue this matter regardless! Such was the madness of the system when people such as that take things to extremes! I also had a chitty stating excused wearing those hairy KF shirts. I can remember being one of the first to wear these new SD shirts with collars attached, and bloody comfortable they were too! I think that there must have been a Chitty for just about everything within the Army at that time, and if not then some bright spark would have thought one up!...What say you? Even babysitting for one of the pads needed a Chitty obtained through the Battery office, as they couldn't have single soldiers without permission loitering around any quarters area without one!...OMO packets withstanding of course! Hence, the true reason why we did quarters patrolling and not because of any terrorist activity. Most of the extra marital activity was done usually well off limits so to speak, outside of the quarters areas. And the beauty being that you didn't need a Chitty for that! What say you?.........
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Subject: 'Pictures of Lippy'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 11:41:03 04/26/05 Tue

I remember going down town to the local Cinema located in Sud Strasse with some of the lads to watch some 'Tam Tam' film, in other words a skin flick or porn. Anyway's we pays our money and gets the complimentary bottle of beer and the miniture bottle of schnappes. What a brilliant idea of providing you with liquid alcoholic refreshments! So there we are sitting about half way down the seating area and being curious, starts to look around to see if any of the plastic mack brigade was in. Noticed that the back row in the Cinema was filled with OAP geriatric's of both sexes, strange I thought! I remembered seeing a billboard outside advertising 'The Sound of Music' and I obviously thought that we had mistakenly payed to see that!...I couldn't have been more wrong, because when the lights went down and the film began, realised that it was indeed Porn. I couldn't imagine that at their age that they would still be interested in that kind of thing! I think we all had some misconceptions of what it was like to being old in our youth!...Don't you think?
Another surreal situation happened one day on staggering back to Camp with this guy called Sean after trying to drink the town watering holes dry. We decided to take a short cut through the back streets and passed this Old Veterans Home. Noted that all these old guys just standing about on this paved area at the back presumably getting some fresh air. Noticed this big bush located in the middle where all these old guys were milling about. My friend suddenly pipes up and shouts "Achtung Spitfire!" and points towards the sky. Next thing I know is seeing these old guys diving hell for leather into this bush. It was like seeing something out of a Monty Python sketch, totally surreal but funny all the same!....Squaddie humour is priceless! ......Don't you think?
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Subject: Hot Line


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Wes
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Date Posted: 21:57:47 04/25/05 Mon

Just to inform you all the meaning "Hot Line" will apply to Terry's phone in the next few day's, hope you all check your mail from tomorrow ????. Can not say to much all I will give the game away. One or two might already know what's going on. Yet again well done to Terry.
Subject: Bramcote Tales .......cont


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 20:42:10 04/25/05 Mon

Two 'themes' dominated our lives as boy soldiers. Each theme was marked by an event at the end of each 'term'. One event would determine how we would live our lives the next term and was called the Best Troop competition. The other event was practiced for (as a Regiment), every Monday morning, on RSM's Drill Parade and was called Goschen Day (named after some General) or the Mustering Gunners, passing out parade.

Mustering Gunners, usually two troops of approx thirty men each, would parade with rifles (SLR's) and fixed bayonets (for which, they drilled separately, relentlessly until inch perfect and would not shame even those proudest exponents of Small Arms Drill, the Queens Colour Sqdrn of the RAF). The parade followed a, generally, fixed formulae, though each term the RSM liked to introduce a new or obscure drill to make each parade slightly different and unique. The Regt (accompanied by and to the music of the JLRRA Regimental Band, situated between two blocks at the top of the square) would march on with the three Batteries, in three ranks, at the rear of the square with the two Mustering Gunner Troops, also in three ranks, to the fore. The Mustering Gunners would fix bayonets and the whole Regiment stand at ease, awaiting the arrival of the visiting dignitary and inspecting Officer. On arrival, there would be the General Salute and the Regt would open order for inspection. This was followed by the Mustering Gunners taking position at the head of the Regt and the march passed in slow and quick time. At the reformation of the parade, the Mustered Gunners (note the change in tense!) would then slow march, through the ranks of the Regt (to the tune of 'Auld Lang Sine') and disappear into one of the 77 Bty blocks at the top of the square, there to start their celebrations early and to remain until the Regt had marched off and the formal proceeding ended. One of the traditions connected to this parade, was that, as they slow marched into the 77 Bty block, the Mustered Gunners would thrust their bayonets into the ceiling of the foyer, leaving their rifles dangling, to be retrieved by junior members of the Regt and returned to the armoury. At some point in the remainder of the day, the Mustered Gunners would then return their bayonet scabbards to the armoury, usually as part of saying farewell to their relatives and/or guests and seeing them off at the Guardroom. Summer term, there was usually a mini-Tattoo put on for the entertainment of the folks and guests. A display of arms, a demonstration of skills of some sort and a band display.

I remember one term in particular, we put on a grand, mock battle scene where we depicted an attack by our intrepid hero's on a heavily defended fort of some non-defined, rag head, army to rescue some prisoners that involved abseiling from the roof of a block, a death slide onto the square all accompanied to the deafening noise of gunfire and grenades exploding (blanks and thunder flashes of course). Yours truly was assigned the rank of Rag Head and had the pleasure of lying by the side of the square (near to the audience) and firing a couple of belts of blank ammo through an LMG to help create the sounds of battle. The script called for a well placed grenade (thunder flash) to wipe out my troublesome machine gun nest. In practice everything went according to plan but on the day and using real ammo, for the first and only time, (we had to worry about costs even in those days), I didn't appreciate how close the thunder flash had actually landed to me and when it went off, I was bodily lifted into the air and thrown a couple of feet onto the square, where I writhed around in real agony with my clothes smoldering for a few minutes, being both shocked and burned from the blast, much to the applause of the crowd in appreciation of my great acting skills. Thank the lord there wasn't to be any repeat performances, I don't think I would have survived another. To round off that memorable day, Mustered Gunners where allowed, that evening, into the NAAFI bar to partake of a couple of beers. Most of us though had been drinking regularly at a couple of local pubs for months but the thought was there.

To finish this episode I just want to tell you about my own Passing Out Parade. It took place in December 1964, in the densest fog I have ever witnessed. The only time we were visible to the audience of family and guests was for about ten yards either side of the saluting dais as we marched passed. The remainder of the parade was lost in space. If we hadn't practiced these parades until we could literally do them in our sleep, one missed turn and we could have been marching to this day!! My dear old mom looked forward for over two years to see her pride and joy march around the square with great skill and artistry, only to get a couple of fleeting glimpses and to hear a lot of disembodied voices shouting in the mist. Best laid plans of mice and men?.....................
Subject: Nice to see you..........nice!


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 15:27:45 04/25/05 Mon

Nice to back on the board! Tried for ages last night, three different browsers and, still, couldn't get hold of the Voyforums server. Wes tells me he had no problems and it was just me (again!). Must try harder. Anyway, seems I didn't miss much, as no one said anything.

Bloke comes home from the pub, the worse for the drink and, trying not to disturb the Mrs, creeps into bed. Just settled when he lets out a right cracker of a fart. "What was that?" his Mrs mumbled, "Nothing love! playing football and just scored a goal" he said, "that's one - nil." "Dirty bugger" she thinks and lets go a ripper in reply. "What was that?" he cries. "Nothing love" she said, "playing football and scored a goal. That's one all!" "Right" he thinks, "I'll bloody show her!" Ten minutes of brewing and festering later he lets go with a real belly buster but, unfortunately, follows through and shats himself. "What the F**K was that?" yells his wife, grabbing for her nose at the resulting, sudden stink. "Half time" says her old man, "change sides!"

Now that that's lowered the tone to my standards, let's get on with the Bramcote Tales. I think I may have told this story before? If I have, I apologise but I think it's worth repeating, as an illustration of the utter depravity of young lads and a further example of the strength of bullying that, in those days, was nothing but "character building" or "sorting the wheat from the chaff!" We had a young lad join our troop who was the biggest fifteen year old I have ever come across in my life. 6' 6" and nearly 17st. He was so big that every uniform that was issued to him, had to be specially tailored. He had hand made boats (sic), size 15 or 16 and his bed was a civvy, 'Slumberland' (fully sprung). His hands where so big, he could hold a basket ball in one hand and, to put it bluntly, he terrified me. As a room orderly, it was my duty to inspect the work kit for the next day. I never said anything to this lad for fear he would pound me into the ground with one swift blow. One night, the Permanent Staff Sgt, realising what the score was, decided to watch over my inspection. I, of course, knew what was going down and put on a suitable performance but dreading the coming confrontation with the 'giant'. When I got to him my heart sank at the state of his minging kit. "Oh well here goes" I thought, and gave him the bollocking he so deserved and should have had before. To my shock and amazement, he burst into tears and cried like a baby. From that moment on, the poor sods life was an absolute misery. He was bullied by everybody in the troop, yes me too. Every night he was dumped out of his civvy bed and made to sleep in an ordinary army cot (which his legs over hung by at least two feet) and he was at the beck and call of everybody from reveille to lights out and beyond! He only lasted a few short weeks after that night and was 'discharged as unsuitable'. How he had made it through the hell of Recruits Troop totally baffled us all and I don't know what became of him. I hope he has had a nice life but a soldier he would never have made! More soon....................................
Subject: folk club


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tony grant
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Date Posted: 20:18:41 04/23/05 Sat

Just been clearing out my LPS and have discovered a signed LP by Harvey Andrews dated fally folk club 1972 anyone remember.My local pub is run by a ex raoc who was stationed in fally from 1984/89 he has organized a trip back to fally this october thinking of going.When i joined 42 in 69 who was 49 battery commander.
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Subject: 'The Field Gun Competition'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 15:55:06 04/21/05 Thu

Dave, In regards to your Naval aspirations, I remember going down to Portsmouth or 'Pompey' as we from the south call it, whilst driving the phantom colonel from Bramcote. We went to HMS Nelson for some reason or other and saw these Navy guys practicing going over the course with these field Guns. Two crews being absolutely beasted in the process. Apparently it was a great honnor to be selected for the actual crew who were to perform at the Royal Tournament between the Navy and the Fleet Air Arm. Some serious betting always went on during these occassions between these two great rivals. The results were always pipped aboard all vessels of the fleet wherever they were serving anywhere over the world. The amount of injuries sustained during these sessions was remarkable. When they were not on the practice runs they were either at the MRS receiving treatment or pumping weights! These volunteers were totally focused and fully committed in their quest for fame and honnor! Our Gun crews would never be able to compete with what these guys went through. The time factor was everything to them. Watching them was like poetry in motion. You could not help having respect and admiration for what these guys put themselves through. The public at large have no idea as to what is involved. Competitions like the 'best Gun' and 'silver rammer'are not in the same league and hold no comparision whatsoever. They are an elite bunch of characters and members of an exclussive club. It was a privilege to meet and drink with these men of the senior service and witness them in training and at the Royal Tournament at a later date.
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Subject: Wrist action!......


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 20:23:39 04/20/05 Wed

Quick one for a laugh (pun intended)

Click here for cartoon

Bit naughty but f***ing funny. Pissed myself, but then again, little things please little minds.
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Subject: If you go down to the woods today...........................


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scoobie
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Date Posted: 13:25:17 04/16/05 Sat

Does anyone remember the story of One BSM, One Tree and a Stalwart? Answers on a post card
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Subject: Driving Miss Daisy?


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 16:37:14 04/20/05 Wed

As a break from the Bramcote Saga, Jim reminded me, again (you can all blame Jim for my incessant chatter), of my experience driving a Senior Officer. My original posting to the Army Air Corps in 1973 was as the Driver/Operator to the OC Sqdn but my most memorable experience was, oddly enough, many years after I had left the Army. I was a contract chauffeur for a company called Guy Salmon who offered a Chauffeur driven limousine hire service. This particular job was to collect a V.I.P from the Birmingham Chamber of Commerce and return him to the D.O.D. in Whitehall and the limmo was a big Austin Royale (the big black shiny cars that the queen uses, for the uninitiated).

I duly arrived at the B.C.O.C. at the appointed time ( well five mins before a parade, as I was always taught ) and to my shock, horror, this totally pissed, out of it completely, person was poured into the back of my limmo and I was given a large suitcase and a bag containing a ceremonial headdress and sword and told to get him to Whitehall by seven thirty, latest, as he was due to address some major International Military Symposium. My pleas for help fell on deaf ears, I'm afraid and I left Birmingham with the final words of encouragement "And for gods sake, see if you can sober him up between now and then!!" Whilst I'm driving? The M40 hadn't been finished at this time and I thought the M1 would prove too quick for the job in hand, so I took the old A40, mainly because I could pull over at intervals and attempt to get the General dressed. Thank jasus for BIG limmos! It must have been worth a kings ransom to see me trying to get this semi-conscious, rag doll dressed in full ceremonial uniform, in four stages, from Birmingham to London but I did it, just!

As I pulled up to the doors of this famous Whitehall building and opened the car door for the General, he woke up, cleared his throat, put his hat on his head, grabbed his sword and stepped from the car as though we had just driven round the corner from the Palace. Giving me a broad smile and slight nod of the head, he disappeared inside. As I never read anything in the papers about an international incident or some such, I assume the old boy got away with it. I did get a letter from Head Office of Guy Salmon a few weeks later, saying the General had written a nice letter to the company and 'Mentioned me in dispatches', so to speak and I got a bonus! So all's well that end well eh!

(all names, ranks and locations mentioned above have been altered for the sake of anonymity and the protection of VIPs)
Subject: JLRRA 'The Power behind the throne'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 14:48:37 04/20/05 Wed

For a time at Bramcote I was suckered into driving the C.O about, as it was put to me that this was a step in the right direction for promotion. Plus the opportunity to travel all over the country. Bombing up and down motorways had some advantages. The travelling expenses and overnight claims would come in very handy. I've always thought that Rank you wear and Respect you have to earn! This officer abused all privileges and perks associated with his Rank as far as I was concerned. His lady wife was something else entirely. You know the type, used to fart through silk! She had him by the old short and curlies. Whatever she wanted she got, including me at her beck and call, running her and her cronies about on shopping expeditions in the staff car no less! The colonel was a strange and uncommunitive type to a degree. He once asked me to go to the stables across from Camp and pick up a couple of bags of manure in the staff car! When asked what he wanted them for! He replied "I'd like them on my tomatoes" To which I replied "Really Sir, I prefer salad cream on mine"...This man had no sense of humour whatsoever!
I once had to explain to this man that I was his driver and not his batman, gardener, waiter or chief cook and bottle washer, and whatever I did for him beyond my duties was a courtesy not to be abused. I don't think anybody else had ever had the balls to speak to him like that! It was something that needed to be said afterall, I was a soldier an not a skivvy! Somethings are well beyond the call of duty!......Don't you think?
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Subject: JLRRA (Pt.......Yawn......)


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 15:00:16 04/20/05 Wed

Gamecock Barracks is an old WW2, Fleet Air Arm base (I say IS because I believe the Royal Sigs are currently the occupiers?) and, as such, had these huge hangers. Hanger 2 was what we called the 'Milk break' hanger and was reputed to be haunted. The story went, that during the war the base was attacked by the Luftwaffer and one of their planes was shot down and crashed into hanger 2. It's the crew of this plane that haunts hanger 2. The legend goes further that a couple of terms before (it was always a couple before your own particular term ) a certain lad, to accept a dare, walked through the hanger at the dead of night, only to be found the next morning, cowering in a corner, white haired and gibbering, to be taken away and never heard from again! Always good for scaring the bejasus out of young gullible kids. A possible answer to this legend was that, in those days, we all wore ammo boots and, in the almost pitch black of an unlit hanger, your footsteps would echo around the vast open space and seem to come from right behind you. Of course, the quicker you walked, the footsteps behind you also speeded up and with over active minds of testosterone loaded juveniles, it didn't take much more to convince one that we where in the presence of the GHOSTS! Funny, even having this explanation, I don't recall anyone ever going into that hanger at night time, certainly not whilst I was there.

Another feature of the base was the Bomb Dump at Bulkington Gate. This was the 'back door' to the camp, so to speak and was the RV point for illicit meeting with your, local, girlfriend if you had 'lost' your pass out 'chit'. Mostly during the summer months, for obvious reasons, as not many sexual liaisons flourish in freezing weather. A favourite trick was to get involved with the Cross-Country Running/Orienteering scene because the routes nearly always went via Bulkington Gate. You could always tell who had a 'date' at the bomb dump, because they would be near the back of the pack, the easier to drop out, as the pack squeezes through the gate. Then fourty mins, or so, later they would all rejoin the race as they headed for home, seemingly a lot more knackered than the people who had run the whole race (he! he! he! nudge, nudge, wink, wink).

The most ubiquitous method of punishment was the 'Extra Drill'. This was dished out by just about every J/NCO as well as the PS. Usually only one was ever awarded at a time because, such was the punishment, it was inevitable that you would pick up two or three more as a result of doing the first one. The Drill was this: At the finish of work, Sat lunchtime and after lunch, you would report to the guardroom dressed in best kit. Inspection was by the RP staff, who because they had to oversee you reprobates on this, their down time, made sure that you got at least one more extra. Then onto the regimental square for a half hour, or so, of drill. That done, it was off to your barrack room, double bloody quick, change into work clothes and back to the guardroom for fatigues for two hour. The nature of the fatigues was made to be the most sole destroying as possible. Whitewashing coal (only to have to scrub it back to black again on Sun if you had copped for another extra, as most of us did) or weeding the flag-stoned regimental square with a knife and toothbrush where a couple of favourites. Mostly though, it was gardening which is why, to this day, I still associate gardening with punishment and can't stand doing it.

Are you still awake out there?..........................
Subject: Sober worm on the loose again


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 13:25:56 04/20/05 Wed

Be aware, boys and girls, that the virus/worm Sober is back in circulation. This time posing as an email that claims to have received your email by mistake. It asks you to open the attached file to verify that it is yours, then dumps the virus into your system. It then rapes your address book and sends all your addresses to be sold on to spammers. So be warned! NEVER open unsolicited attachments if you are the tinyest bit suspicious, NEVER!
Subject: JLRRA (Pt whatever!) - on and on and on and...........


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 21:54:31 04/19/05 Tue

As a boy soldier we were paid the princely sum of £2.10/- (£2.50) per week. £1 to our mum (compulsory), £1 to credits (compulsory) and 10 bob for ourselves. Payday was Thursday, after lunch and followed by a frantic dash for the NAAFI shop. 20 Woodbines (Park Drive or, for the hardened smoker, Capstan full strength), tin of polish, tin of Brasso, yellow duster and, if enough left over, a Nelson cake and that was us broke, waiting for the next payday. We couldn't have survived without those food parcels from home! Nearly every boy, in those days smoked. We were actively encouraged to by advertising (BE A MAN, SMOKE MARLBRO!) or our peers. One of the abiding memories I have from those days, is the one where, at the lighting up of a cigarette you would be assaulted by cries of "Twos up!" from every direction. As the week wore on and payday beckoned, the cries would be for "Threes up!" and, even "Fours up!" There is nothing so demeaning as trying to get a drag out of a couple of strands of soggy tobacco, between two, very burned, fingers. Many the time I witnessed two boys, who may have been the best of friends, fighting, tooth and nail, over a discarded fag end.

Thursday evening was bliss. O/D'd on nicotine and sugar, and Top of the Pops on telly. TV was viewed in the communal TV room by about fourty boys, scrambling for ten, or so, chairs. The only boys who steered clear of the TV room at all times, was the NIGs (New Intake Gunners) or boys in their first term in the troop. For they where terrified of coming to the notice of a Mustering Gunner for Mustering Gunners were GODS! These where the boys, or should I say men, who were in their last term as boy soldiers. They held the rank of Gunner, irrespective of their junior rank, and therefor outranked EVERY boy with the exception of the J/RSM, who was a L/Bdr, remember? Anyway, their favourite stunt to pull on a nig, was to pack him off to the NAAFI for 10 fags, a sausage roll, Nelson cake and a bottle of coke but not to give him any money!! God help the poor wretch who didn't return soonest with the 'supper'. Never mind that the poor kid probably had no money himself, he would beg, borrow or steal the money rather than face the consequences.

The only other TV available was in the W.R.V.S. This wasn't the main reason why boys went in there though. Apart from the snooker tables and the library, the main attraction was the WRVS ladies. We all tried, desperately, to get a peek down their blouse or 'accidently' rub up against them as we squeezed passed on one pretext or another. The irony of this was that they where usually a bit of a 'munter' and the local girls in town, much prettier and, more importantly, willing? Incidentally, it was in the WRVS one evening in 1963, that I learned of the assassination of J.F.Kennedy. I remember at first being stunned and sickened at the pictures on the screen. Then, later, terrified because we thought it was a Russian precursor to WW3. We truly thought the missiles where on their way. It took the CO (Col Portious V.C. R.A.) who paraded the Regt in the cookhouse, to reassure us that we were safe and that it was some individual 'nutter' named Lee Harvey Oswald. Where were you?....................
Subject: 'Those Guardroom Follies'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 12:10:11 04/19/05 Tue

Dave, That Guardroom at Bramcote was a complete Madhouse! No matter how well you organised the manpower available it was never enough to cover for all contingencies. The guard commander could never relax whilst on duty simply because anything that went wrong the buck would stop with him as he was responsible for everything that occurred on his shift! Thankfully, we had a reasonable RSM name of Jock Hamilton who's common sense would prevail in most cases where discipline was concerned regarding his staff. The boys never saw this, and had rather a distorted view of the RP staff in general. Understandable I suppose, in their position in the pecking order of things. Bullying and intimidation did go on but it was very low-key and never got out of hand, at least in my time there! It was character building to a certain degree. It would have never been allowed to reach the situation that it did at Deepcot!
Prisoners and dischargee's under our care were never abused physically, harsh but fairly maybe, and the discipline and morale was maintained without resulting to those methods!
Boys will be Boys!....And when these lads were allowed out on the town the girls of Nuneaton always managed to get their ration without any complaints, only from their parents and civy boyfriends did we on the permanent staff receive any flack!....Now and again used to have a problem concerning boys that had too much to drink! I never would bang them up in a cell for the night so they could sleep it off! Used to instead double them about in the backyard of the Guardroom with a fire bucket in their hands so if they wanted to throw up, they knew where!..also poured black coffee down their necks and worked them through the night. By morning I would release them back to their lines without any charge! Knackered but sober all the same. Usually that did the trick and alleviated any problem concerning them falling asleep and choking on their own vomit!.....I had a friend in Germany who had unfortunately died because his colleaques had not kept an eye on him while he was in that state. Something that should never have happened!......I would never allow that on my conscience!...What say you?
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Subject: JLRRA (Pt3) -


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 18:05:53 04/19/05 Tue

I hated school. I was convinced I was a thick git and would never amount to anything, particularly as that was what my old headmaster told me when I left school. In fact, he went further and told me that I would, in all probability, end up inside as I was a waste of space. Remember when I told you about passing the aptitude tests with flying colours? I was totally shocked because it went against everything that I was being told by my school. Imagine my horror then, when I went to Milne troop and found out I had to go back to school. All our military training was to be augmented by education every alternate day. But what a difference from school! The teachers where nearly all military with a few civvies. They actually treated us like grown ups with regular smoke breaks and never talking down to us and always taking the time to explain things if you were having trouble understanding the lesson. Within 12 months I had my ACE 2nd class under my belt and was well on the way to my 1st class. I actually got four subjects at the end of that year, English, Math, Physics and Map reading and after being told that that was all I needed to get to WOI (RSM was the pinnacle of my ambition with no thoughts of commission or higher education) so I sort of switched into low gear and coasted for the rest of my boys service.

So, first positive aspect, an education. Second positive aspect, after only twelve months at Bramcote, I was 5' 9" and 11st ( I grew so quick, in fact, that there was some concern that I was growing too fast) but it was just the change to a good diet, regular exercise and, most of all, clean air! Birmingham in those days, like most UK major cities, was smog bound for most of the summer months (the Clean Air Act was only introduced in 1967, I think?) and most of my contemporaries that grew up and stayed in Brum are only an average 5' 6".

Third positive aspect, I guess? I grew up fast! From sniveling fifteen year old to confident, trained soldier in two quick years. There was a bit of a downside to this though, a thing I have always been a little disappointed by. I missed being a teenager. I went from boy to man with such an accelerated learning curve, that I missed out on the 'silly' years. Some may say "not a bad thing" but somehow I feel there is something missing. This wasn't helped by the fact that, 12 days before my 19 birthday, I was married with a sprog on the way. Nothing to do with the Army, of course, and I have no regrets about marrying Norma and having any of my 5 kids (another pointer to how grown up I had become) but it didn't help. The other little disappointment I have, is that I never quite lived up to the promising start. Not altogether my fault, I'm bound to say, but the way that the Army looked upon the results of the Junior Leader programme. Mostly with disdain, I'm sorry to say. We were tended to be treated as upstarts who, given the chance, would tell our grannies how to suck eggs. Despite the fact that most of us were better trained and qualified than the average Gunner with five years in. A case in point! The J/RSM. The top dog, head honcho of the Regt had proven himself and, as a reward, was entitled to muster into mans service with the rank of L/Bdr. To my knowledge, NO Junior RSM EVER took up that entitlement because he would have been ripped to shreds by the regulars he was joining. It took me three years to get my first and only stripe, and only then after coming 1st on a Junior Sigs Instructor course, attending one of the Army's toughest outward bound course in Norway (to prove my character?) and completing an NCO's Cadre course. Is it any wonder I became disillusioned? Maybe, but I still wouldn't have missed it for the world.

Right, back on track...............stay tuned
Subject: JLRRA(Pt2) - The continuing saga


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 19:16:27 04/18/05 Mon

After making it through Recruits Troop, my next port of call was 39(Roberts) Bty and Milne Troop. Ironside Troop being the other troop in 39 Bty. Each of two troops in each Bty, the other Btys being 44 and 77 Btys, had its own shoulder flash worn on the epaulette (Milne was maroon) and there was a very fiercely contested competition each term for 'Best Troop'. The winning troop wore a white flash above their troop flash to denote their status. Together with this status came an awful lot of privileges, enough to make sure that every junior soldier gave 110% to get to be 'Best Troop'.

The rank structure was also duplicated, with every rank up to RSM, except S/Sgt. So each Bty had its J/BSM, J/Sgts and J/Bdrs and there was one J/RSM. Now the thing about giving boys these ranks was that, true to the old saying, "Power corrupts and absolute power, corrupts absolutely". Give young boys this 'power' over their contemporaries, as this did, and you have the recipe for bullying of unimaginable proportions. The thing to keep in mind though, is that, in those days it wasn't seen as bullying, more as character building. Each incident was looked on as a test to be passed and got through and as most of us wanted to be career soldiers, there was no way we were going to complain. We knew that this was just a temporary way of life to be endured on our way to becoming the future shakers and movers in 'Mans Service'. Yeh!........green I know!

So, what do I class as bullying? OK, a few examples. A boy is having trouble coming up to scratch. For one reason or another, he can't seem to bull his boots to the same standard as the rest of us or, no matter how much effort he puts into it, he always looks a bag of shit. You know, the Pvt Pile type who is forever letting the side down? OK. One evening he is summonsed to the drying room, under one pretext or another, and when he gets there, finds himself the defendant in a 'barrack room courts martial'. Now the outcome of the trial has already been decided but we go through the motions, presenting a prosecution and defence argument, just for the entertainment value. The sentence may be anything from 'running the gauntlet' to 'hanging'.

'Running the gauntlet'.......The culprit has to run the length of the main corridor (some 100 ft) which is lined with the rest of the troop, wielding wet towels and socks filled with objects of a none solid state i.e. other clothes (when filled tightly, this can leave some nasty bruises, believe me!). The number of runs depending on the severity of the 'crime'.

'Hanging'............. This was more psychological than physical, in that, no actual bodily harm was inflicted. The prisoner had his hands tied behind his back. He was then stood on a chair and a 'hang mans noose', thrown over one of the bars running the length of the drying room and placed placed around his neck. He would then be blindfolded and after the sentence was read out, the chair would be kicked from under him. What the poor bugger didn't see was that the rope was, in fact, two pieces joined together by cotton. As he fell he would feel the rope tighten around his neck but it would almost instantly snap the cotton join and he would fall on the floor, to the tumultuous and outrageous applause and laughter of the rest of us. Funny as hell but I have seen lads literally shit/piss themselves with the initial fright.

It wasn't all bad though and next time I'll try to show the more positive side of the boys life...................
Subject: ' The RP Bramcote Blues'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 16:03:06 04/18/05 Mon

Dave, when I was posted to Nuneaton late in '78 I remember that it was a bit of a culture shock as I was not prepared for the amount of bullshit that was expected from the permanent staff side! Leading by example, if you get my drift! Walking around like a bloody Guardsman in Ammo boots and blue heavy duty pullovers starched and pressed to the extent that you looked like you had dandruff! With a slashed peak on your forage cap that made you have a permanent crick in your neck from constantly looking up. My first impressions of the boy's was they look so young, more like schoolboys and not potential soldiers in the making! Throw me another junior leader, this one is split!....They had a lot to content with these lads, but I will say by the time they left for their various Regiments after passing out they were better to a degree, than anybody who went through Man's Service training ever was!......Woolwich was a pussy, compared to Bramcote, as far as the training and indoctrination was concerned. Believe it or not!..........
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Subject: Boys Service...JLRRA!


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 23:07:35 04/17/05 Sun

Jim has opened a floodgate of memories for me, I'm afraid, so stand-by for some tales from my time in Boys Service. I know it's not strictly relevant to this Bty but, as the JLRRA at Bramcote didn't disband untill well into the eighties, maybe even later (Ray Covell was there as QM in the eighties I believe?) there must be a fair few ex-boys in the Bty. I know John Myatt and Barry Hands where, because they joined the Bty with me, from there, in Jan 1965. Some of the stories will be a bit harrowing, in light of the present day appetite for stories of bullying in the forces, But, in those days it was par for the course, accepted, suffered and left behind. I haven't heard of ONE suicide as a result of our treatment and, as far as I know, it never did any of us, who survived the experience, any long term harm. In fact, it made us darn sight better citizens than the soft boiled wankers who undergo training nowadays are going to turn out to be in their post service life. With exceptions, of course!

So...................stand by!
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Subject: 'Those Inkerman Depot Blues'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 16:45:23 04/17/05 Sun

This concerns my transition from being an Infantryman to becoming a Gunner. I remember joining up in the Army while I was working up in Middlesborough. I was drunk and disillusioned with civy street so I signed on, and found myself at Strensall Bks just outside of York. The Kings Division. I completed my sixteen weeks basic training before transfering over to the RA. I was told that I would only be going to Woolwich for Gunnery training and ordered to report there in No2 dress uniform. Upon arriving at the Guardroom things started to take a downwards turn as the first words out of the provo's mouth was "You sure that you have come to the right place dressed like that?" I've always said that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit!....Anyway I was sent off to Inkerman block where the situation started to become surreal upon meeting my Troop Sargeant for the first time! I was not a happy bunny being told that I would have to go through basic training all over again! Bloody bollocks I thought! They say if you can't take a joke, then you shouldn't have joined!....Next thing I know I'm summoned to the office where he makes me stand to attention while he tries to rip off all my buttons and insignia off my uniform without much luck! I stood there with some satisfaction watching him get more frustrated and begining to loose the plot! From then on I knew that there was goig to be a 'battle of wills' between him and me! He tried every means possible to break my spirit during those next three months. I always used to wear elastic's in my Olive greens and no matter what he said or did, would I conform, I think not! Was put on perminent Guard and basically given the full treatment at every opportunity. The more he tried, the more that I dug my heels in. I used to enjoy our confrontations! You know that I never did pass out from training! The old bugger put me on a Honnor Guard for some Brigadier who was the inspecting officer on the parade. I was able to watch the rest of the lads on the parade square doing drill with some contentment afterwards! Thinking of the old Billy Connolly number "O Sargeant, is this the Adventure you mean't when I put my name down on the line"......
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Subject: Biggs, my part in his downfall...............


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 21:39:14 04/16/05 Sat

Many moons ago, I was prattling on (as I am prone to do, now and then!) on this board about the day I almost got busted. I was quite circumspect about the whole thing but it prompted a very short, cryptic reply from one Howard 'Butch' Biggs (the quite innocent cause of my discomfort at that time) to the effect that "My secret was safe with him" and not a peep since! Well 'Butch' I'm about to let you off the hook. Your lips can now be unsealed and you no longer have the weight of confidentiality to worry about. So, pull the finger out and get on this board and let us know how you are getting along. We missed you at the last reunion.

It happened in Devizes and the location was the Signal Stores. The stores were laid out in the following fashion (bear with me, you know I can't tell a story straight and I go all around the houses but I promise it is all relevant). OK, you come in the door and there is a three sided counter in front of you and you are in the well. Along each wall and across the far end there are steel shelving units, I think, 5 shelves high upon which all the kit is stored. The shelves are about two or three feet from the walls, to allow access behind. OK? the scene is set!

This particular day was one of those endless, boring days that never seem to end. You know, all the kit was cleaned up, counted and checked for the tenth time. There was no exercise in the offing and it was one of those 'make work for the sake of work' days. So, there we were bored and trying to look busy. When your truly, in a fit of complete madness, produced an air pistol and decided we would have a bit of extra-curricular target practice in our own indoor range. Setting up a target at the far end of the stores, we all retired safely to this end and commenced firing. After a few shots had been fired by myself (rank has privilege and it was my gat any way so of course I was first!) there was a loud grunt from the shelving at the far end of the stores, near the target and out from behind the shelving stepped one Gunner Butch Biggs, with blood oozing from a wound in his temple. My stomach dropped. On closer inspection, we discovered that there was a pellet embedded in the flesh very close to his eye. Luckily for him, and me! it transpired to be a ricochet and so was only just under the skin and was taken care of by the MRS quite quickly. Needless to say, the soft and smelly hit the speedy rotating propeller and I was summarily dealt with. I don't recall the exact punishment, suffice to say I kept my stripe but I was very aware, at just how lucky I was that Butch didn't lose his eye that day and, Howard, if I didn't say it enough then, I once again, apologise profoundly.

Looking at it from todays stand point, I would probably have done a stretch as an example and been booted out! Irrisponsible, I know, but a complete accident and no malice intended, and so dealt with by common sence and compassion.
Subject: 60th Anniversary of the liberation of Belsen


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 22:01:26 04/15/05 Fri

Today is the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Belsen, 15/04/45. As mentioned on this site a couple of weeks ago, most of you will be aware that the infamous site was a stones throw from us in Fallingbostel. Below is a link to a harrowing voice report by the then BBC correspondant, Richard Dimbleby. It is set to a slide show of pictures of that time. I hope the link works!

Click here for the slide show

You will need speakers, obviously, to hear the report and there is a warning at the begining for those not of a robust nature (suely none of us?). Sorry for the dampener folks.
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Subject: Messing about on the river!


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 18:18:16 04/16/05 Sat

Scoobie, never mind about answers on a postcard, come on, spill the beans. Sounds like a good 'war' story if ever there was one. Does anyone remember the time we 'swam' the M109s across the R.Vaser (various pictures on Black Macs and Derek Melias photo discs)? I remember at the time thinking, "NO way can 75ton of metal float, even with the aid of balloons tied to the side!" Happily, I was proven wrong but there were a few moments of doubt for some of the crews. I seem to recall Ray Covells sub having a few sweaty palms when one of the flotation bags deflated and the gun developed a serious list to port. I personally, had a quiet snigger to myself because no way was I going to get on one of those monsters whilst it swam the river. I crossed in a Stalwart. Much better design, not as heavy and even looked vaguely nautical.
Subject: what is a old timer


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Date Posted: 14:12:22 04/16/05 Sat

Well Dave and Jim maybe we remember our days in the army with affection,that our mates where important to us and we supported each other. I know we had some rough times but I believe this made us closer any problems where sought out between us.Finding this site ayear ago has made a great difference to my life it came at the right time for me as i was getting over a breakdown thinking i was worthless and had done nothing with my life but finding you lot again made me some worth. I have now started to write down my memories of my time with 49[libel laws permitting]. A tale of a trip to the black forest we had been out for a drink and a certain l/bdr[little jeff alexander had to be put to bed he had a lit candle next to his pit and proceed for the next ten minutes to try and blow it out but could not he was swearing and getting more and more frustrated suddenly he picked up his boot and flung it the candle putting it out but hitting me on the head he went to sleep muttering two birds with one boot what hangover.Well lads hope to see you soon.
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Subject: Rifting time again!


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 21:40:38 04/15/05 Fri

Once again it is time for me to jump on my old soapbox and, gently, remind people that this is not the Dave & Jim show. You would think that with all the memories that Jim and I are dredging up, it must be jogging a few of yours out there? Surely we can't be the only two who don't suffer with Alzheimers (yet)?

We are making some progress though. A few of months ago it was just the Dave show, then along came Jim and improved our regular contributor list by 100%. We still need some fresh blood and the sooner the better. How about some of you younger members sticking your oar in. OK, a few of us old timers will not have a clue what or who your talking about but it will be interesting and fresh and there is always the possibility that you will get a bit of debate going about the pro's & con's of our respective times in service. I know the site is called the Old Comrades Association but I don't think there is any emphasis on the OLD and I take it to include any ex-member of 49 Bty,(or even otherwise, as you will all be ex at one time!).

To start the ball rolling, so to speak, how about this for a bit of a discussion? Could it be that the reason the main contributors to this board are from OLD timers, is because it's only us OLD timers that have any sense of comradeship and feelings of loyalty to the friendships we forged all those years ago? Do the people who came after us in the eighties, nineties and up to this day, only enjoy the friendships whilst they serve together then promptly forget them when they leave the service? Or is it a case of apathy, (seems to be a sickness inflicted on the country as a whole) out of sight, out of mind? Is it too much trouble to make a bit of an effort to keep in touch with each other or is it that the friendships where only fleeting and not all that worth while in the first place? That's not the impression I get from the reunions so why is it so much harder to keep in touch on this board? Why do you all have so much to say for yourselves at the reunions but can't even say good day to each other here? Come on.................prove me wrong!!!!!!
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Subject: Dedicated scruff!


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 17:54:46 04/15/05 Fri

Jim, I don't remember 'doctoring' my kit in any particular way (perhaps that was why I was always a scruffy twat?). My beret was almost naturally adapted to the 'tanky' look, as being a signaler, I seemed to have a pair of headphones permanently transplanted to my head. The one thing I could never understand though, was the almost manic aversion by the senior NCO's to gaiter elastics and weights. Nothing looked so pathetic as a pair of trousers tucked directly into a pair of gaiters. For f**s sake, how 'niggy' could you get? Applied properly, just covering a half of the gaiter and evened off all round, they looked so smart but for some reason the SNCO'c hated them. I lost count of the times I did guard because of elastics, never mind weights. The only time I tried to slash the peak of my No2 forage cap, it was so obvious that the Orderly Officer took it off my head, pulled the peak out and threw it away and put the cap back on my head. Needless to say, I was charged, paid for a new cap and did about two hundred guards. That was one good thing about us scruffy twats! we did so many guard duties, you smart bastards hardly did any.
Subject: 'A Dedicated Follower of Fashion'


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Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 11:49:51 04/15/05 Fri

There was a kind of need to personalise what you wore in the Army, not so much to rebel against the Army dress code but to individualise yourself in a certain way from everyone else in a society that was based fundimentally on teamwork and conformity. I suppose it was a matter of pride. You tended to style yourself on a role model of a soldier that you looked up too and respected to a degree. As some of the senior ranks used to say that "You don't want to look like a bag of shite tied up at the middle" so when issued with clothing we used to get it tailored to fit if possible, as these items were always to large and you didn't want to walk around like Ronald McDonald a clown, to be ridiculed and taken the piss out of! Spent many an hour customising your kit so that you would look smart and blended into someone who was to be taken seriously. Even coveralls were given the treatment. Most importantly the head gear had to be right especially the beret had to make a statement as to your status in regards the pecking order of things! Anything from a pinhead to a gun canopy with a tankie style somewhere in between. Slashed peaks on your No1 dress hats was another item that some of us cannibolised on and got away with! I used to wear an old brass cap badge not the plastic stay-bright version in my cap. On many inspections I used to get pulled up as to why I was wearing it! I would reply "that it was my grandfathers who was a master gunner" Usually that worked and nothing more was said! If they had looked closely they might have noticed that it was the Kings crown and not the Queens that was located above the gun on the badge in question! Only a technicality maybe but some of these Officers prided themselves on attention to detail and they hadn't noticed! Of course there were exceptions to the rule concerning dress codes, our eccentrics of which we had many within the Battery, those colourful characters whose attire and apperance was strange to a degree who didn't 'conform to the norm' and basically couldn't care less about vanity or personal pride in ones appearance. While some of these got the 'flack' it left the rest of us to continue pushing the dress code to the limit!
By the way Dave, the message subject title was sung by the 'Kinks' a blast from the past you could say!
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Subject: Private accommodation


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 19:46:14 04/14/05 Thu

Ah! the Wolf. We lived in the very top of the building, practically in the roof space. Two rooms, living room and bedroom, opening onto a public landing. Because the rooms were in the roof, the ceiling sloped from about seven feet on one side, down to about three feet on the other and the room was only about ten feet wide anyway, so there was a definite art to living there. One morning we where in bed and these two old Frau's wondered into our bedroom and sat down and started to have a chinwag. Couldn't understand the lingo, of course and, being so embarrassed because we where both starker's, we just lay there gripping the bedclothes to our throats until they finished there natter and left. We left the Wolf, permanently, about three days later.

Next port of call, so to speak, was the house behind the gun sheds (Herr Schroer was the landlord) and one of our neighbours, I recall, was 'Curly' Weever and his wife. Curly was in 94 Bty I think at that time. We came home on leave not long after moving in there and, for some reason I can't remember, Norma didn't come back with me after that leave. A few months passed and she came back to Lippstadt but because of a cock up with the accommodation I had arranged in Bad Westernkotten, She ended up lodging with Les Charlton and his lovely wife, Julie, until the Canadian couple who where occupying our flat, moved on. A favour Norma and I will, both, never forget. The move from Les's quarter to our new flat I would have loved to witness. Unfortunately, this took place during an exercise and I wasn't available to organise it but the lads in the MT section stepped in and laid everything on for us. Wonderful, great guys, you will agree? The only thing is, they sent a f****ing Stalwart and you know there is only one way to get into a 'Stolly'!!! and this is the heyday of the mini skirt........... basterds! Still, Norma enjoyed the experience and didn't seem too bothered by it. Never did find out just who the voyeuristic pair of twats were though. Care to own up anyone?
Subject: Young bucks!


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Dave P.
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Date Posted: 19:05:21 04/14/05 Thu

Jim, I saw the message from Taff Tarr thanks. I sent him an email letting him know that I tend to stay close to 'home' these days so, hopefully, we'll get a bit of input from him on this site too (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, Clive!).

Chris, I am of the same mind as yourself with regards to Lippstadt. I don't know the reason or the why but it does seem to be the spiritual home of a lot of guys, particularly those who served in 42 Regt. I certainly identify most with the place, as being the happiest time of my service. Maybe it's something to do with the fact that I was so young?

Some of my fondest memories are from when I lived in private accommodation in, for a short time, the Wolf Gasthoff and then, a bit later, in a private house just at the back of 49 Bty gun sheds. I remember, as a newly wed, testosterone filled, rampant, young buck (my wife wants to know where he went to?) and the consequent panics nearly every morning, as I realised I had about ten minutes to get on parade, the scramble for the hole in the fence that was my private entrance into the Bty lines. It would have taken 15/20m minutes to walk the official route and come through the main gate but I still can recall some mornings, cutting it fine and still getting dressed as I came from behind the battery charging shop. If it had rained the night before I was probably in the shit, literally, as the ground was like a swamp and it was almost impossible to keep the mud off my boots. So, I usually got a rifting and ended up doing many a guard because I couldn't keep myself under control. Oh! for those days again......................................................I don't think!
Subject: Lights out


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chris dunham
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Date Posted: 13:05:11 04/14/05 Thu

Great to read all the gossip about Lippy 64-69. When i joined the Regiment in 1966 Lights out was 2359hrs and BONCO had to do his rounds to make sure every body was in bed, i remember one night my bed being lifted and dropped to make sure i wasnt dressed ready to bunk off after he had fineshed his rounds. The night, Lights out was cancelled the camp was empty and i think it was the same for a couple of weeks but it didnt last long as the money couldnt stretch that far but it was nice trying.
Fortunately as sigs for the OP, i never had to learn the tricks about camaflauge i was always sitting in the back of the land rover or Pig. hope to see a few of you at the 42 reunion !!!
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Subject: 'Those Leyland Gun Tractor Drivers'


Author:
Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 13:10:02 04/14/05 Thu

This is dedicated to all those individuals that drove us about with those 5.5 Howitzers on tow bounching about at the rear of the vehicle in all weathers mainly on Salisbury plain and numerous other locations. More like 'Wacky Races'. People such as Phil Spittal, Taff Roberts, Jock Alexander, Brummie Welsch, Ned Kelly and numerous other characters of our time. Being a limber gunner I usually had to travel in the back with the gear to keep an eye on the equipment hanging on for dear life when coming into action either freezing or hot and sweatty covered in dust. Everything done at breakneck speed as it was always good to get 'Adjusting Gun' on a position. The competition was always fearsome between the Gun-subs in question. Always ensured the split pin was engaged into the towing-eye as the last thing you needed was for the Gun to go walk-a-bout at speed as happened on a number of occassions ending up with the Gun doing a perverbial Chinese Salute of sorts! I remember Taff Roberts having to put blocks on the peddles of the clutch,brake and excelarator due to the fact due to his stature that he couldn't reach the peddles! I remember a certain incident on a dry firing shoot when Willy Morgan who had disappeared for a crap or something returned with a 25 Pounder shell in his hands! You have never seen so many gun-bunnies scatter in all directions! Apparently we had been told that the area we were on used to be an impact area sometime previously. Willy must of been AWOL when that vital piece of information was dispatched to us. The look on his face was priceless! Willy as far as I know never went to Spec-Savers! What a character!......
Subject: Election soapbox


Author:
Dave P.
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Date Posted: 20:56:41 04/13/05 Wed

I see that Michael Jackson, in the witness box a couple of weeks ago, swore on the Popes life that he never touched those kids.......................

Q. What's small, brown and is found in babies nappies?
A. Michael Jackson's hand.

Q. How do the kids that visit M.J. Neverland know when it's time to go home?
A. When the big hand is on the little one!

OK..........OK enough of the crap jokes! Anybody fed up with the election yet? It seems to have been going on for months! I am not decided yet about where to place my vote but it WILL NOT be for the Labour Party. I can't stand that cretin Bliar and his, wide mouthed frog, other half. It may all be academic anyway if the following article is true!

"Anybody who still doubts that the constituency boundaries are heavily weighted in Labour's favour should click on the following link, which represents the result if Labour get 50% of the vote and the Conservatives get 50%, with other parties getting none:

www.news3.thdo.bbc.co.uk/n...TE+RESULTS

Labour win 380 seats, Conservative 248 - i.e. a Labour majority of 114 would result!

Also interesting is to swap the Con & Lab votes from last time around whilst leaving the others unchanged:

www.news3.thdo.bbc.co.uk/n...TE+RESULTS

A result which led to a landslide majority of 154 for Labour would result in a majority of just 12 for the Conservatives.

Add some industrial-scale vote-rigging into the proceedings, and it looks rather like the system is biased towards a certain party..............."

Food for thought there I think? And we think we live in a democracy? It will take a huge bloody turn out and swing from Labour to change this Government and, somehow, I don't see it happening. Time to head for the hills? Enough with the soap box, a last joke to lighten the mood................

A fellow came up to me this morning and asked me if there was a B & Q in Woodgate (where I live) and I told him "No mate, it's W_O_O_D_G_A_T_E!"

I'll get me coat................................................
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Subject: 'Those Army Quacks and Aspirin'


Author:
Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 14:02:37 04/11/05 Mon

Some of these Medical Officers were great characters to put up with some of our malingering lot! Sick parades used to be like Guard Mounting was to a degree to deter the truly sick from those who wanted to skive off some duty or other! I remember one M.O in particular name of Paddy Dolan a thick set Irish-man of renown, who's bedside manner would have you in hysterics or screaming to see the 'trick cyclist'He used to perscribe aspirin for near enough all ailments regardless of problem or evident symtoms! Woe betide anyone who went in front of him suffering with a hang-over as looking over the desk at him you would realise that he was in a worst state than you were! When you entered his office he would say something along the lines of "Gunner pull up a Scallyback and sit down"...He had some grievance against those from the Signals Regt that were based with us. His exploits were legendary to say the least!
Now, I believe that we had a female M.O. in Devizes for a short period of time. Possibly the 'Oracle' would be able to confirm this! Some guys would go on Sick parade just to take a look at this sexual fantasy in a white coat, this angel with tits and a stetescope around her neck! If I remember correctly she was a redhead or possibly brunette!
In Fallingbostel things were different as the M.R.S was located in 3RTR lines which most of us avoided like the plaque! Some of the stories that used to go around the Camps in those days concerning those Quacks and their patients were very near the mark, but as I say that there is no smoke without fire, so some of them would have to be true!.....Don't you think?
Subject: Old Haunts


Author:
Wes
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Date Posted: 22:09:35 02/13/05 Sun

Who remembers the Heidiemark Halle in Fally (sorry about the spelling). The times we use to go and see the english pop groups ie The Who, The Cream, and many more. I can remember when myself and Dave Nesbit were arrested for beating up a gang of German Scooter riders,
Also the time we went to Hamburg to see Manchester United play, it was the time when Keegan was playing for Hamburg.
We all ended fighting with German Sailor's.

Them were the days??
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Subject: Public Duties 1998


Author:
Alec Masson (ex BSM)
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Date Posted: 23:52:16 04/01/05 Fri

I have found a vidio tape of the public duties carried out by the battery in 1989.The tape last for about 45 mins,and covers both guard mounts, Buck House and the Tower of London. At present i am puting it on to a dvd disk.Then i will send it to Wes.
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Subject: 'Lost Opportunities Maybe?'


Author:
Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 12:39:56 04/09/05 Sat

I suppose everybody has regrets at some stage in the Army! Reflecting on what might have been if we had taken a different course when on offer. I am not talking about promotional prospects but lost opportunities that on reflection that you wished that you had jumped at that specific time in your life. Mine happened in Devizes just before we went to Germany. I remember that the advance party from 20 Regt had arrived from Fallingbostel and being that I was a limber gunner on the equipment that we had in Devizes I and others were asked to stay on with them. I didn't take up the offer as I wanted to travel to exotic places and not be stuck in the UK! Didn't think anymore about it until sometime later when we were told that 20 Regt was off to Hong Kong! Bloody hell I thought, kicking myself all around the Gunpark! I was even more pissed off when I learn't that they were to be the last R.A Regiment to serve in that exotic location! Of course on their return they were disbanded! Such is life! Though, I was one of the first from the Regiment to get the opportunity to go to Canada and thankfully this time I took it and never regreted the experience! Swings and round-a-bouts some might say!...........
Subject: 'Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves'


Author:
Jim Martin
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Date Posted: 16:05:25 04/08/05 Fri

I remember a certain CAPE tour that we went on in Devizes to the West Midlands staying over at COD Donnington. I believe that was the first time that we got presented to the then, Mayor of Wolverhampton in the Civic square. Remembered a certain TSM who was leaving the Army being asked by the Mayor "What did he want to be when he left the Army?"....The reply being "A Screw Sir!"....The look on this Mayor's face was priceless! Another item that comes to mind occurred in the barrack block that we were staying in at that time. Concerning me bringing back a WRAC to the accommadation for obvious intentions after a good night out at the local Disco. Remember the BSM coming out to see what the commotion was all about and ordering that this female be removed from the locality of the Mens quarters. You understand it was not what he said but what he was wearing at the time. A psychedelic pair of pyjamas that I must admit looked pretty weird even for the seventies! No they didn't have sewn in creases or Rank insignia on them! Is'nt truly amazing how certain things stay in your mind even after this long period of time! Another incident happened while we were at Walsall Arboretum when firing blanks from the Guns, the old 5.5 Howitzers in line abreast from the right doing kneeling gun-drill the whole works on show for the public at large! This little old lady comes pottering across to our TSM and starts hitting him with her umbrella calling him a 'Murderer' because with all the 'Bangs' going off her Budgerigar had just fallen off its perch and had kicked the bucket so to speak! Sad but funny all the same! Some of you must remember these and other items that happened on that tour in question so many years ago! What say you?.............By the way the Title of this piece is from a tune that was a hit in them days!...Can anybody remember who sang it?
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Subject: Fond memories don't fade all that much, do they?


Author:
Brummydave
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Date Posted: 23:15:05 04/07/05 Thu

Many times over the years I have contemplated a return to Lippstadt. I had a really good time there in the sixties. In fact, most of my best memories are from those days but, like Jim said, I think it would be a mistake. Not long after I came on-line and found this site (or it may have been 42, I can't remember which?) I read about someone who had made the pilgrimage, so to speak. They gave the impression that it was all a mistake and they wish they hadn't bothered. There was also a link to a site devoted to the redevelopment of Churchill Barracks as part of a University Campus. If you do a Google search of "Churchill Barracks, Lippstadt", you will get to a site (in Deutsche, naturlisch!) that will show the basic layout of the camp has not changed very much but all of the buildings have been remodeled into blocks of flats and various lecture halls. I also think that after thirty years, or so, very few of us would even recognise Lippy as we knew it. Better to keep the images as fresh as they are in our minds (together with our youth) as represented by all those wonderful old black and white photo's doing the rounds and, once again to steal Jim's words, drag up the sandbags, have a pint with old comrades and relive those times as we remember them. Bugger! feeling my age tonight..............
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