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Subject: Dial-an-Exchange


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 15:13:25 06/29/05 Wed
Has anyone exchanged a week through Dial-an-Exchange? If so, how did you find the experience? Has anyone taken up one of their very cheap Bonus Weeks? Again, how did you get on?
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Subject: Membership Fees


Author:
ian
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Date Posted: 05:13:55 06/30/05 Thu
Can anyone who attended this years AGM in Tenerife tell me whether the question of membership fees to join the "club" which have previously been mooted on this site were mentioned or any indication of further "compulsory costs" in any manner, discussed .

Thankyou
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Subject: ABT Advantage - has anyone done business with them?


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 07:01:55 05/29/05 Sun
Has anyone "done business" with ABT Advantage http://www.abtadvantage.co.uk/ ? They gave me some advice via e-mail last year when I nearly converted to points. I e-mailed them from Tenerife with CLC's offer and they responded saying that it was too expensive and that they could offer me a better deal converting to RCI points if that was the way I wanted to go. The deal did in fact look pretty good; much better than CLC's but when I got home to the UK I did nothing about my week.
I've just been on their website and there are a lot of Paradise weeks advertised for sale (some very cheap, some not).
Would appreciate feedback on your views re the offers on their site.
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Subject: Post removed


Author:
Admin
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Date Posted: 12:18:03 06/29/05 Wed
The last posting and the reply have been removed at the request of the owner.
Subject: maintenance fees


Author:
Fiona Tinker
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Date Posted: 15:42:52 06/07/05 Tue
After trying to sell the weeks that we own for some time, and now getting a reminder regarding maintanence fees, which seem to be more that the timeshare is worth after the loss of the gold crown status etc, we have also been told by RCI that our already banked and paid for weeks have been blocked by CLC until fees are paid. It is total catch 22 situation, has anybody else come across this? A rise in fees of 50% when CLC took over, 2002 - 2003 and then a further 20% the following year, no refits completed that members have paid for, no wonder there are comments in this forum by dissatisfied members. Open to offers for weeks 36 & 37, Paradise Club.
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Subject: return from paradise


Author:
Moira Hulme
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Date Posted: 11:44:21 06/11/05 Sat
Just returned from Paradise. Got to attend 1st agm while there. Quite interesting. Paradise site improving, although apparant apartments refurb is slow. 2 bad things about stay. 1st, eight of us including 4 kids stuck in brand new lift at 12.45a.m for 20 mins.Scary. 2nd, though the clc reps are based off site now they still walk around like used car salesmen. We actually converted to clc points last year and are in platinum band, but they still were trying to get us to upgrade to diamond at a cost of...wait for it...£14,000. I told the salesman to "go forth at multiply"
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Subject: Membership Fees next year?


Author:
Chris
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Date Posted: 09:14:43 05/25/05 Wed
Have been told by a CLC Points rep. that next year they will be charging weeks owners an annual membership fee (presumably the same one points owners now pay). He told us that it was a new UK Government Law, in that all clubs, etc. will HAVE to charge a membership fee. Has anyone else heard this? Is it a Government Law or just another way for CLC to get even more money out of us annually?
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Subject: rci holidays in empire stores catalogue


Author:
bren and hayley
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Date Posted: 12:11:15 05/04/05 Wed
empirestores.co.uk ,go to main page and it's on the left half way down under the heading rci holiday network,
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Subject: Club La Costa free holiday offer


Author:
Graham
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Date Posted: 06:16:20 05/28/05 Sat
I have just received a letter from Club La Costa offering me a free luxury holiday inc flights in Spain or Tenerife providing I attend a presentation at their new Haydock office (pressumably for timeshare hard sell). I Have been to a few of this type of presentation before and had a couple of good, relatively inexpensive holidays from them. I can't help thinking that my luck will run out soon. Has anyone been offererd the same from CLC, paid admin fees and actually got their holiday, if so was it any good ?
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Subject: Driving members out


Author:
Allan
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Date Posted: 16:20:42 12/11/04 Sat
I see from the CLC members board that it is not just weeks owners that are being driven out by high charges. CLC are also going over the top on their points fees as well, forcing members to rethink their future with the points clubs.
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Subject: B.C.I Leisure SL


Author:
Tom
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Date Posted: 14:06:39 05/10/05 Tue
Has anyone any experience of a company called BCI Leisure operating on the Golf Del Sur Tenerife. They claim to be agents for RCI and are offering a way out of the Club La Costalot maintenance trap.
The deal is swap weeks at the Paradise Club or Monterey for a week at another resort where the maintenance fees are much lower using that ownership as a vehicle upon which to attach RCI ceded points. There is of course a cost to efect the change !!

On Paper it looks an advantageous way out of Club la Costa and I certainly would prefer to hold RCI points rather than CLC points but is it a trap ?

The intro comes via a "free" holiday at the Golf Plaza on the Golf Del Sur anyone else been down this route / had any dealings with BIC Leisure SL
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Subject: Xmas & New year


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 13:13:02 05/19/05 Thu
Anybody got weeks 51 - 52 available for rent, 1 or 2 bed.
Daughter is giving me grief, HELP :):)
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Subject: HAS ANYONE GOT WEEKS 34 AND 35 FOR RENT IN A 2 BED


Author:
PAULINE
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Date Posted: 17:01:55 05/06/05 Fri
i AM AN OWNER AND LOOKING FOR A RENTAL FOR WEEKS 34 AND 35 IN A 2 BED .FOR MY DAUGHTER , HUSBAND AND 4 GRANDCHILDRE. URGENT REPLY PLEASE AS WE HAVE FOUND SOME DECENT FLIGHT PRICES.
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Subject: gold crown


Author:
david ridley
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Date Posted: 07:03:38 05/12/05 Thu
have heard paradise is to get gold crown back sep 2005 anyone heard this
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Subject: RCI Points


Author:
Harry
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Date Posted: 13:53:48 05/12/05 Thu
Does anyone know if points are covered by the timeshare regulations which give a cooling off period.

Anyone any experience of pulling out of a purchase where they suspect all is not well and putting a claim in on their credit card company if they cannot get a refund from the points seller
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Subject: rci holidays from empire stores catalogue


Author:
bren and hayley
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Date Posted: 11:33:15 05/03/05 Tue
has anyone bought an rci holiday through the named catalogue? we were wondering if the catalogue can sell holidays using all the timeshare destinations why do we have to pay membership fees to rci when all as we have to do is get a catalogue.we have phoned rci on many a occasion with a date and destination but have always been told nothing is availabe.so tomorrow we are going to phone rci and ask them to give us the same holiday as is advertised in the catalogue and how much it would cost.we will let you know how we get on.
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Subject: AGM in June


Author:
Splot
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Date Posted: 10:12:56 04/21/05 Thu
Well now we have been sent the papers and nominations for the June 8th AGM!

It seems like they are expecting an increase in the number of people attending as they expect more members to be visiting the resort and willing to attend the meeting.

Somehow I don't think so! Surely at that time of year there are likely to be more exchangees than owners?

I'm also surprised that one of the nominees for the Paradise Club has the audacity to say that he believes he provides a good link with owners. If so why no appearances on this site?

Overall it seems like CLC are simply trying to remove the owners from the so called democratic process of the AGM.

What do others think?

Splot
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Subject: AGM


Author:
Roger Bridge
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Date Posted: 14:00:12 04/26/05 Tue
Looks as though my vote will go to a newcomer Arnold Irwin. At least he mentions maintenance fees.
Do CLC need the money to build CLC homes?
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  • Re: AGM -- Phil, 00:47:30 04/27/05 Wed
    • Re: AGM -- Margaret Stanhope, 11:32:47 04/27/05 Wed
Subject: selling my timeshare


Author:
bren &hayley morrison
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Date Posted: 12:04:44 03/20/05 Sun
can anyone reccomend a good resale company in the uk to sell my timeshare,as my wife is in poor health now and cant fly to often,so selling is my only option,clc have made the decision easy for us though with there treatment of us owners,ive just had to pay there maintianace charge for 2005(wat a rip off)if we cant sell we will have to just give it up,bring back the paradice club as it was years ago,at least we had a point of call to sound our grievences with,help would be most greatfull, p.s do u think clc would buy our week of us (i dont think so)lol
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Subject: Weeks 51- 52


Author:
Ken
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Date Posted: 06:47:36 04/17/05 Sun
Hi,
Has anybody got weeks 51 - 52 to rent at Paradise Club.
Please contact me with price.

Thank You.
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Subject: refit


Author:
misguided
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Date Posted: 17:15:24 04/13/05 Wed
I contacted CLC to see if my appartment had had a refit. They said no. only ones not done by old paradise were going to be done. I thought they were 1st then the rest to follow. Did anybody else think this?
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Subject: apartment rental


Author:
Darren
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Date Posted: 13:43:10 04/15/05 Fri
I was wondering if anyone was thinking about renting their apartment for week 36 on the Paradise Club in Tenerife. I looked on the rentals page and had no success, so i thought i'd post a note and see if i could get any luck from this forum. If anyone has an apartment, or knows anyone who does or is thinking of renting, then please feel free to e-mail me on the address provided.
Subject: Christmas


Author:
Neil Turner
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Date Posted: 09:19:16 04/05/05 Tue
I know its only April but for the first time this year we will be spending Christmas at the Paradise Club. Could anyone tell us what Christmas at the PC is like. Do the restraunts and bars open on Christmas day. Is there entertainment? Do the bars and restaraunts in town open over the holiday? Will the pool be heated? I think that is all.
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Subject: Rental Monterey


Author:
Verna Veitch
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Date Posted: 10:09:51 03/31/05 Thu
I know there is a rental page, but I am offering C503, at the Monterey, weeks 25 & 26 this year,due to marital problems I am now unable to take the weeks. This is probably the best apartments going. I say this because we bought D503, 3 bed on the 2nd phase which is not a patch on C503. It has two twin bedrooms, one double on-suit, big lounge and huge balcony. The offer is £500 for the two weeks or £300 for individual weeks. I would rather this offer go to an owner who can update me on the resort, rather than a non-owner. I will put this out to the people I work with on Tuesday, I know this is short notice but RCI points make prizes and I never expected to be in this position.
Subject: flight prices


Author:
angela
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Date Posted: 20:20:35 03/20/05 Sun
Hi has anyone found prices of flights to be very expensive to Tenerife this year? Does anyone know of cheap flight operators for us timeshare owners preferably from East Midlands or Birmingham? The cheapest I have found for October is £300
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Subject: refurbishment again !!!!!!!!!!!


Author:
optamistic
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Date Posted: 14:39:57 03/18/05 Fri
anyone know if F801 and H307 been refurbished yet?
would be nice eh!!!!!!!!!
Subject: The russians are coming !


Author:
Ian Wilson
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Date Posted: 11:59:19 03/17/05 Thu
Just returned from PDC and unfortunately this time for the first time the weather was awful. Our apartment we were told had been refurbed to Paradise standards. They told us they were progressing with the CLC refit but to be frank it is going to take a long time. Lots of selling going on the sales reps were showing people round all the time and I noticed a lot of Russian potential customers around. One very annoying point was I overhead a salesman telling a potential client that they should not talk to any people who were staying at the resort only to him !. I was going to pull him up on it but decided not to bother. Still a lot of hustlers on the streets with thier horrible attitudes but one good thing about so many Russians is that if you completely blank them they can't tell if your a Russian who can't speak English so they give up quite easily. Another point when the weather is bad PDC could do with a little heating ! the apartment got very cold at night indeed.
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Subject: New Owner at Monteray


Author:
Brian Swain
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Date Posted: 14:18:52 02/28/05 Mon
Hi,
I recently bought very cheaply, weeks 2 and 3 in a 2 bed at Monteray.I hadn,t seen it but it was the right weeks.
The maintenance is exhorbitant but my apartment although tired was well looked after and generally superb. I am most pleased. I had looked up the resort on CLCs web site and entered the deal confidently. A number of concerns have arisen, first , my new cert of ownership does not give the apartment number. I am told that CLCs computer system cannot do that although the cert number refers to the apartment number in their system! I have the previous original that refers to the number so I am not unduly worried, however it does reflect an attitude of CLC to impersonalise the complex.
Secondly, the rise of the points system and its taking advantage of owners is worrying.It seems that they steal your asset and make you pay for the privilage.It also has too many variables where they can increase your costs.
This site is most interesting, but gives little info about the people involved in running it. More info like that in the home page may get more people like myself to trust the site. This subject has had many scares in the past.
best regards to all other members.
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Subject: e 106


Author:
almo
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Date Posted: 10:40:55 03/17/05 Thu
Anybody know if E-106 has been refurbished yet
Subject: re-fit


Author:
MARK
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Date Posted: 08:00:10 03/12/05 Sat
HI,
HAD A CALL FROM CLC THIS WEEK TO IMFORM ME THAT OUR APARTMENT E802 WILL NOT BE RE-FIT THIS YEAR AS THE FUNDS HAVE RUN OUT FOR THIS YEARS RE-FIT BUDGET. I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT AFTER PAYING THE FIRST CHARGE NEARLY 5 YEARS AGO & ALL THE SUBSEQUENT CHARGES FOR THE RE-FIT, WE WOULD HAVE HAD THIS WORK COMPLETED BY NOW, AT THIS RATE WE WILL BE GETTING BILLED FOR THE NEXT TIME A MAJOR RE-FIT PROGRAMME COMES AROUND & STILL WAITING FOR THE ORIGINAL RE-FIT. IS IT NOW THE CASE THAT WE ARE PAYING A YEARLY LEVY TO COVER ANY MORE MAJOR RE-FITS IN THE FUTURE AS THIS YEARS RATE BILL DID NOT HAVE ANY BREAKDOWN AGAIN.( I COULD NOT ASK THESE QUESTIONS AS CLC LEFT THE MESSAGE ON THE ANSWERPHONE & HAVE NOT AS YET BEEN ABLE TO GET BACK IN TOUCH.
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Subject: Selling Timeshare? Be Aware!


Author:
DavidH
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Date Posted: 11:15:39 02/27/05 Sun
I have been approached by T-One (UK) Ltd with a claim of an interest by someone wanting to buy my timeshare weeks. The offer was for the asking value plus re-imbursement of this years maintenance fees. The buyer was to pay up front 30% of the selling value while I, the seller was to pay solicitors fees of £395.00. Payment preference was by credit card. When my partner intervened with references to DTI recommendations and a fourteen day ‘cooling off’ period as by law you are entitled the offer suddenly became very awkward and the promised return call was never made.
(Makes a decision to ‘walk away’ from timeshare even stronger)
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Subject: To Pauline


Author:
Ian Wilson
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Date Posted: 11:33:46 01/25/05 Tue
Sorry if it appeared I do not like PDC in fact it is quite the opposite.

Like yourself I am tired of people constantly complaining so I was actually trying to avoid an on rush of such comments when I worded my message - of course I hope to get a refurbed apartment but I will not allow it to spoil my rest if I don't.

Last year we had a great time the only bad thing was a hustler really clinging on to us at the bottom of the hill and being very hard to shift, only when I produced my mobile and threatened to call the local police did he finally give up the odious little man that he was.

I do own a fixed week but swap it around thru RCI and geneally find that Feb or early march are no problem as long as it does not coincide with school holidays.

I have absolutely no intention of changing to points or buying points hence why I decline from going to 'free breakfasts' etc as I am involved in a sales job myself (Industrial machinery) and I don't particularly enjoy people wasting my time, and after all these sales people are trying to make a living so I leave them alone and they leave me alone.

My wife and I really enjoy going to Tenerife around this time of year as we can take it as it comes now our children are grown up hence why we often spend the full day out of PDC just walking around the general area, equally we can spend an entire day either just relaxing by the pool or on the balcony with a simple lunch.

It is now only 4 weeks untill we go and we are looking forward to it immensely

Last year I got very worried reading this board by the number of negative negative comments as we were taking some friends as guests, They absolutely loved it and thought the standard was excellent the aforementioned hustler was the only annoyance
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Subject: Monterey


Author:
Allan
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Date Posted: 14:36:54 02/20/05 Sun
We spent a week in our apartment at Monterey and were a bit disappointed with the conditions. It really is no wonder the resort has been downgraded by RCI. The shower tiling was badly broken, the awning over the patio door was in shreds, no rugs were available for the bedrooms unless they were requested and when we did request them they did not turn up, Patio furniture was very old and worn, the original lounge furniture was starting to show its age with two handles on the TV unit broken, the video did not work. The place generally needs a bit attention. Disappointed at how CLC have let the apartment standard slide!!!
Subject: Anybody been recently


Author:
Ian
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Date Posted: 13:12:50 01/19/05 Wed
I am off to PC in 5 weeks in a two bedroom apartment, am not even bother going to ask if the apartment we have been allocated has been upgraded and just wait and see, purpose of my post as follows, has anyone been recently ? whats happening out there is it busy, is it busy downtown etc etc is the Thai restaurant still going at complex below, are there still as many hustlers lurking around the bottom of the hill, has anyone been to the new Fanabe area, are there generally big crowds on the Island is it buzzing or quiet ? I for one just ignore the sales people and tell them I have a full schedule for the week I use PC as a place to stay and wife and I go out in the morning for the day very rarely do we eat or drink in the complex and only take one day by the pool if the weather is right
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Subject: RENTAL


Author:
LINDA FELL
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Date Posted: 07:48:27 02/03/05 Thu
Hi! i am after renting 3 days on the 27th dec 05 till 30th dec. we own a week starting on the 30th dec but we would like to go for 11 days this year. does anybody have any availability. thanx :)
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Subject: Available weeks?


Author:
Allan
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Date Posted: 10:45:07 01/04/05 Tue
A friend of ours is looking to rent weeks beginning 3 June and 10 June at the Paradise club. Does anybody have these weeks spare for rent?
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Subject: AVAILABLE WEEK


Author:
MR & MRS J PARKIN
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Date Posted: 13:05:02 01/08/05 Sat
WE OWN WEEK 48 AT THE PARADISE CLUB (1 BEDROOM APARTMENT)
WE ARE LOOKING TO RENT EITHER SIDE OF OUR WEEK IE:WEEK 47
OR WEEK 49,IF ANY MEMBER HAS EITHER WEEK AVAILABLE PLEASE
GET IN TOUCH.

MR & MRS J PARKIN
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Subject: I Have Heard from a Committee Member


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 02:15:42 12/24/04 Fri
Further to my comments under 2005 AGM and elsewhere, I have had a reply for committee member J Lomax. His comments do not inspire me, but for the record this is what he has to say in answer to my questions:

1. WHEN & WHY DID COMMITTEE AGREE TO 2005 AGM BEING HELD IN TENERIFE

"I share your concern about the 2005 AGM being held in Tenerfire. This decision was agreed, somewhat reluctantly, by both Paradise Committees at their meetings in September 2004.

Ever since the CLC takeover the committees have been under pressure to hold AGMs at the resort. This is the normal pattern at all other CLC resorts. Up until now we have resisted this pressure on the grounds that the majority of the owners are based in the UK and this is where the AGM should be held. The owner members of the committees were also convinced that attendance at an AGM at the resort would be minimal.

Unfortunately the attendance at the 2004 AGM was considerably down on the previous year. This gave CLC the opportunity to renew their preference for an AGM at the resort. After considerable discussion it was finally agreed, with reservation, to hold the AGM alternatively in Tenerife and in the UK. This is done on a trial basis. The committee will obviously review the situation after the Tenerife AGM"

My Comment : I thought the number of owner committee members outnumbered the CLC committee appointees. If that is the case then why did the owners committee members cave in to something Mr Lomax states the owners committee members were reluctant to accept.

2.LATE PAYMENT SURCHARGE

" There have always been penalties for the late payment of the management charge"

My Comment: If that is the case, then when have the "penalties" been imposed and was it as per the constitution.

3. MANGAGEMENT CHARGES

"Management charges are now calculated by reference to a fixed base figure, rather than the previous cost plus arrangement. The cost plus system provided no incentive for the management team to be efficient- they receive their guaranteed 15% profit however much it costs to run the resort.

Under the fixed base arrangement the management charge will remain constant, subject only to inflation and currency fluctuations. This fixed base will cover all running costs of the resort, including the on-going refurbishment of apartments on a 4/5 year cycle. There will be no demand for additional funds for extra work, as has happened in the past. Conversely there will be no major reduction in the charge unless there is a dramatic change in the exchange rate."

4.COMMITTEE RELATIONS

Mr Lomax draws my attention to the comments he made at the AGM and also stated "Despite any comments on the website, to which you refer, about inaction, I can only repeat what I said at the AGM - A great deal of time and effort was expended in attempting to achieve satisfactory outcomes. We have to ensure, as far as we are able, that the resort is properly run and financed and that the long term interests of the resort and the owners, are protected. After all we are owners too".

My Comments: It is strange that as owners, the committee members have a complete different view point to those members who comment on this website. How are the owners being protected when so many are walking away from outragous charges. At least one member of the committee now has our website address. Let us hope that he takes note of our comments and passes them on to the other committee members. Who knows perhaps we may even get some comments from them on this forum.

Merry Christmas to all members.

Dave
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Subject: Watchdog


Author:
Allan
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Date Posted: 13:03:57 11/16/04 Tue
I think its about time Watchdog were informed of CLC's drive to rid itself of weeks owners. I am off to write to them regarding escalating fees to a level not comparable with other resorts, their eager willingness to take back weeks surrendered for anyone not happy, their reps statement that CLC would like all weeks owners to transfer to points, their repeated attempts to get weeks owners to transfer, their lack of response to e mails sent, their additional charges made when paying by Switch, their miserly exchange rate for maintenance paid in Sterling, threats to add exhorbitant surcharges for maintenance paid after end December, Resale companies refusal to take weeks at any price due to unacceptable maintenance fees. Come on folks, a few hundred letters might see Watchdog take an interest, then who knows?. Any other points I should put in my letter?
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Subject: CLC Management etc


Author:
Phil
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Date Posted: 01:41:26 11/24/04 Wed
I'm not a Paradise owner or Monterey but know the resorts well and the timeshare industry as a whole. I hope my message will give some useful info and/or ideas.

First of all to someone who mentioned that he thought CLC had only bought the management rights of the resorts: according to my knowledge of timeshare this is wrong. I believe that both Paradise and Monterey are operated under the British club system - which is a right to use system. What this actually means is that none of you physically own your apartment but have bought a "right to use" it (this is different to the deeded system whereby you physically own your week and this is registered at the land registry). This means that CLC DO own the resort and all its buildings, furnishings etc. whilst a trustee holds them in order to protect owners' usage rights. This is as well as having the management contract. This is how it is so easy for CLC to repossess for none payment of management fees - you do not own the apartment and according to your Club membership contract, if you do not pay then they can cancel your membership. Under the deeded system, whilst the management company cannot repossess your week for none payment, they can block your week.

Owners who are really unhappy with the way CLC are running things, should take a look at Loch Rannoch in Scotland - a MacDonald resort. The owners there voted overwhelmingly to remove the management contract from MacDonald and formed a management company to take over the running of the resort. This has not been without problems (MacDonalds got RCI to cancel the resort’s affiliation and I believe tried to recoup from the new management company previously unpaid management fees from when MacD managed the resort) but on the whole for Loch Rannoch owners this has been a success. Management fees are much lower (in the first year, the management company made a small profit) and keep coming down. Loch Rannoch owners now tend to use the smaller exchange companies who either have lower exchange fees or no membership fees and generally I believe they are happy.

My suggestion is check your constitution - see if there is a provision to kick out or change the management company. Try to get sufficient support from among the owners and do it - get rid of CLC as management company. Take them to court for surcharge fees which are not covered in the constitution.

Not paying your maintenance fees or just giving your week back to CLC is exactly what they want. CLC get more inventory at no cost, thereby increasing availability to the people who – in my opinion – have foolishly bought into their points system.

Owning pure points leaves you with very few rights, if CLC sell the resort on, then you can’t go back. (through RCI maybe). CLC can increase the points required for a specific week (that way you have to buy more points). You own nothing, not even a right to use a week. Just points which give you no guarantee that you will get a holiday. Even though the Club system has its flaws, at least you know that you can go back to your own resort/week regardless.

The best points system, in my opinion, is one like the RCI system whereby you still “own” your week. You can always leave the system and go back to using your week. With pure points you’re stuck with them (and can’t sell them on the open market unlike your fixed week – correct me if I’m wrong). Obviously, RCI give preference to points owners – they want to convert everyone to points, but of all the systems it may be the best.

Bye for now.
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Subject: Paradise Club Constitution


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 06:29:46 12/02/04 Thu
With the help of a couple of members I now have copies of the original Paradise Club Constitution of 1991 and the constitution issued by CLC to new members following the CLC takeover.

Surprise surprise, the 2 documents are exactly the same, with the CLC "version" still dated 1991 and enclosing a 1996 Special Notice regarding payment of fees, which gives the committee or management company no more power that to consider a "substantial breach" of club rules, if a member has not paid the management fees within 60-90 days of being notified that fees are overdue.

This is good news, because it means that by their actions ( issuing original constitution with CLC cover) CLC have accepted the original constitution. Accordingly their threat to impose a 25% surcharge if fees are not paid by 31st December, has no legal standing, as some members have stated in other postings.

I will be studying the constitution in more detail, having already noted with some pleasure that 10% of the membership can demand a special general meeting, with a view to removing CLC from the position of management company.

I feel that we must now make it clear to CLC that we will no longer tolerate their behaviour towards fixed weeks "owners" and the imposition of totally unreasonable fees. The question is; how do we get 10% of members to agree to take such action as the constitution allows.
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Subject: 2005 AGM


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 04:49:42 12/14/04 Tue
I see that next year's AGM will be held in June in TENERIFE. I also note that according to the Consitution the AGM " shall be held at such place in England or elsewhere as the Committee shall decide....."

Will committee members please tell us when and why you arrived at this monumental decision. I can only see it as a means of getting as few members as possible at the AGM. I wonder it there is a reason for this ??? Did the committee also discuss chartering planes to take us all to the AGM.

Holding the AGM in Tenerife is, in my opinion, a non-starter and I hope other members will agree that there must be some non-beneficial to members reason for this.

The minutes of the AGM list the phone numbers of our committee members. Perhaps we should also ask each of them when, and why this was agreed. Certainly another case of the committee not working on behalf of the members.

Dave
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Subject: One for The Refit Addicts !!


Author:
Badgerman
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Date Posted: 22:54:27 12/13/04 Mon
Hi All

For those refit addicts on this board here is a list of apartments that have been refitted by CLC - The criteria used here was 'if the Apartment door has been Dark Stained then its been CLC refitted ( Thats what the Reps tell you anyway !!)' - Hopefully i didn't miss any but the corridors are a bit of a maze !!

Block A
102, 200, 302
Block B
104, 205, 307
Block C
201, 402
Block D
205, 306
Block E
103, 304, 305
Block F
401, 402, 403, 1000, 1001
Block H
104, 105, 106, 206, 305, 400, 401, 402, 403
Block I
101, 202, 203, 302
Block J
100, 101
Block K
0305, 0308, 0206, 0210, 0211
Block L
0104, 0300

For those 'lucky enough' to sample the Free Breakfast / Lunch Sales Pitch - you now get the chance to walk it off afterwards !!, CLC have set up the Exhibition Centre on the top floor of Cosmos Centre (where the Netto is) down the Hill.
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Subject: AGM 2005 - Guess where?


Author:
DavidH
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Date Posted: 04:53:51 12/14/04 Tue
I've received this morning the minutes of the AGM 2004. Next Year's meeting is being held at a venue, still to be named, in Tenerife. Obviously the committee members are trying to do their bit in keeping travel and accommodation costs down to a minimum and not use this as an excuse for a hat-trick of inflated fees. Which we can all expect due to the Paradise club still not quite up to RCI Gold Crown standard. I'll assume that CLC team that recommended that they buy the Paradise Club must have had the eye-sight of Mr Magoo, to continue to a buy a resort that from the minutes appears to be something short of a derelict. The only thing that looks anything like a white-wash are the contents of the minutes. Whay an utter sham!
Subject: 2005 maintenance fees


Author:
barry & jean parkin
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Date Posted: 12:40:51 12/05/04 Sun
we have just returned from paradise club on fri 3/12,
two weeks before we left we recieved our maintenance fees
for 2005, which means that we had paid fees for 2004 & 2005
before setting foot in our apartment for this year.
its beyond a joke, especially when we are still awaiting
refurbishment. last year we were told our apartment would
be ready for our visit this year, we didn't bother asking
if it would be completed for 2005, its just a waste of time.
Subject: REFURBISHMENT


Author:
TOM SLAVIN
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Date Posted: 14:56:03 12/02/04 Thu
I ACQUIRED MY APARTMENT IN MARCH 2004., THE PREVIOUS OWNER HAVING ALREADY BEEN INFORMED ABOUT AND PAID THE REFURBISHMENT CHARGE.
CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF A TIME SCALE WAS NOTIFIED TO OWNERS?.
I VISITED IN OCTOBER AND THE APARTMENT HAD NOT BEEN REFURBISHED, BUT THE REP (DURING THE FREE BREAKFAST SALES PITCH) JUST STATED THAT WE WOULD SEE A DIFFERENCE "NEXT YEAR"
ANY OTHER OWNERS OF G1003 OUT THERE?
Subject: Fixed price maintenance


Author:
Allan
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Date Posted: 14:40:30 12/02/04 Thu
I read somewhere that CLC will not give a breakdown of the maintenance charges because it had been agreed by the committee that we would move to a "Fixed Price" Maintenance fee.
Firstly what is the definition of fixed price? I thought it meant it could not be changed yet the fees have in reality gone up for next year.
Secondly, did our committee members realise that moving to fixed price meant that a breakdown of costs would not be available?
Subject: Maintenance comparison


Author:
Allan
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Date Posted: 15:29:11 11/29/04 Mon
Just to compare maintenance fees, we own 2 weeks in Bahamas in two bed / two and a half bathroom townhouse set right on the beach with well equipped kitchen that includes everything you need, dishwasher, dryer, washing machine, huge cooker, big American fridge with ice maker/crusher, Big lounge with TV with loads of American channels, etc. Anyway, we have just been informed that each week is going to have a $200 extra surcharge to cover repairs due to the two hurricanes they had. Guess what, even with that, next years fees are going to be £70 less per week that our Paradise weeks!!!!!
Anybody got any other comparisons to share?
Subject: clc management ect


Author:
neil
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Date Posted: 12:03:10 11/25/04 Thu
1 have been reading this topic since phils initial posting.
may i congratulate phil on his application as to our interests as owners of fixed week(s)of the paradise club.
its about time that someone with some fight and kwowledge
about this current situation came forward , perhaps like a knight in shining armour?
if one reads last few comments about clc on the following website www.crimeshare.net-74.html
look under heading whinges and read last 4 postings.
i feel that if only the last three that replied to to poc site to phils 24 11 04 message who knows what could happen,(out of little acorns grow--big oak trees)
or perhaps further apathy by owners.
i myself would be eager to meet anyone who may be willing to make up a forum to further our interests re the current
momentum that phil appears to be showing in this not lost cause.
Subject: club constitution


Author:
tom slavin
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Date Posted: 11:41:47 11/24/04 Wed
DAVE, I HAVE A COPY OF THE CONSTITUTION SUPPLIED BY CLC WHEN I ACQUIRED G1003 WEEK 42 LAST YEAR.
I CAN COPY IT FOR YOU IF REQUIRED.
Subject: CLC contact details


Author:
Bev Ballagher
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Date Posted: 11:47:13 11/23/04 Tue
Could anyone provide an up to date email contact list for CLC. I have emailed them 3 times, through their now and not even received an acknowledgement. I know it might not be so exciting for them to answer questions on walking away from the site but you would at least have thought a reply would be forthcoming. I guess their idea of quality of service has now completely gone?
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Subject: Levy Charges


Author:
N Jennings
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Date Posted: 15:21:53 11/22/04 Mon
I would like to ask CLC 1 question. What's is happening with the two levys charged to owners at Paradise(£90 per week charges), now the Spainish Courts have found in favour of the resorts,its been contested (What the Spainish government done was illegal)& they have to pay it back, including any interest. Would members be getting this money returned soon, as it is actually our members money or will CLC just keep quite about the whole affair.
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Subject: FIXED WEEK v POINTS


Author:
Dave
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Date Posted: 05:46:07 11/22/04 Mon
Just back from Costa del Sol having taken advantage of CLC's cheap week, with a presentation and I thought I would share our experiences.

Firstly we had a great apartment ( fridge, freezer, washing machine, dishwasher, satellite tv, dvd player and a large welcome pack), but then we would, wouldn't we, seeing as how CLC wanted us to change to points.

Has a free breakfast followed by the tour and hard sell. We made it clear over breakfast that we were not happy with CLC and I asked the rep why should I give up a fixed week that I had paid good money for, only to have to pay even more money for the dubious honour of owning points that did not guarantee me the restore I wanted when I wanted it. The rep fluffed around this point, but stated points would give me more weeks of holiday and access to special offers such as two weeks for the price of one.

Had the tour of some of the Marina del Sol apartments ( all far superior to anything we have at Paradise and therefore begs the question why are our fees so much higher than many resorts). This was followed by the hard sell, during which a "manager" came over and stated that our week at Paradise was worth 810 points, but we needed to open our account by buying a minimum of 400 points.

Prior to this we had been told by the manager that had they not bought the Paradise Club it would have folded within two years, such was the state of affairs. He added that CLC had quickly bought up every week that was available on the open market and 85% of Paradise was now under the points scheme. As a result there was no need for CLC to control the other 15%, but they had been asked by our committee to keep the scheme open until the end of the year so that everyone had a chance to convert to points.

I found this strange because they had provided us with a very cheap holiday (apartment and flights) while if I beleived him, oblivously there was no need for them to do so. I told the manager that in my view they has only bought the right to manage the resort and that CLC did not own the bricks and mortar. He did not dispute this, only said, I am entitled to my opinion.

Getting back to the points issue, we were told that points were currently priced at £25 per point, but that this would rise to £30 a point in the new year and that points would continue to rise next year. Now the cost of the 400 points we were required to purchase would be £7,500 as a special offer. This would give us 1210 points, which they would increase to 1710 for 2005 only, if we paid £1000 there and then by credit card.

We told them we were really only interested in one week of timeshare per year and after a further calculation the price dropped to £4,500, with as decrease in the number of points. The final offer was 910 points for £2,500. Had we accepted any of these offers, there was an annual membership fee of £149 ( to arrange holidays etc.) and the cost of maintenence for the 1210 points was initally 49 pence per point £592.90, but would infact be only £474. So to change over to points would have cost us a maximum of £7,500 with annual fees of £623. Needless to say we declined.

So come on committee members give us the full story of what is going on at Paradise. Did you request an extension to a programme that CLC were relunctant to prolong? Do they own Paradise or just the management rights? We spoke to a former CLC employee at another presentation we decided to attend (holiday club) and she was perfectly clear that CLC own very little time at a large number of the resorts in their brochure and that the only reason our fees were being hiked up was so they could give the developers more money so resorts could be extended and up graded.


Dave
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Subject: B205


Author:
andrew
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Date Posted: 15:56:32 09/28/04 Tue
Anyone know if B205 has been refurbished yet?

Thanks.
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  • Re: B205 -- Eric B., 08:56:42 11/14/04 Sun
    • Re: B205 -- andrew, 13:23:40 11/18/04 Thu
Subject: Ownership Transfer


Author:
eeby
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Date Posted: 09:16:16 11/18/04 Thu
Can anyone confirm that if I sell my 1 bed unit privately all I have to do is complete the form on the back of the original registration certificate & send it off to the Isle of Man, who presumably then issue a new certificate in the new owners name. Does anybody know the cost? No way am I going to hand it over free to CLC. What I have been considering is donating it to a charity or association, probably one associated with the rehabilitation of young [or old] offenders. That way they could take at least 4 hoodlums in a 1 bed unit & with a bit of luck they may get next door to a member of our so called Management Committee.
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Subject: Membership


Author:
JJ
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Date Posted: 12:02:40 11/14/04 Sun
One of the main reasons why CLC can up charges as much as they like is not enough owners complain, and the owner reps dont do anything when the charges are put to them, apart from agree.
I contacted the web site admin and asked how many owners had bothered to fill in a membership form, the answer was 124, now I am sure more than 124 owners know of this site and post messages on here, why have they not bothered to fill in membership forms.
There are possibly 4,000 - 6,000 owners at the Paradise Club.
That is the sort of numbers that are needed to fill in membership forms, then the owners would be able to do something about these high charges at the next AGM or even call for an Extraordinary General Meeting.
It is very clear to me that looking around the Paradise Club is one of the most expensive resorts in the whole of Spain, Portugal, Canary Isle's etc. WHY. We as Owners need an answer from our Elected Reps.
If you hav'nt filled in a membership form do so , and when you are at the Paradise Club spread the word about the web site, you could copy the URL and give it to people asking them to do the same, OR YOU CAN GO ON PAYING THESE HIGH CHARGES. Because until we have 1000's of OWNERS putting in strong complaints they will continue to RISE.
I can RENT a 1 Bed apartment in the Paradise CLub for £120pw less than I am paying in management charges.
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Subject: Silly Question!


Author:
Vivienne
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Date Posted: 06:41:55 11/15/04 Mon
Here is my silly question. Would anyone like to take over a one-bedroom apartment J101, Week 43, very large balcony, been refurbished, quiet position away from music noise with view of the sea, with the only cost being the fee for arranging the transfer? Now don't all dash at once!! Seriously though, if anyone would like to then let me know.
I have been informed it is worth 45000 RCI points.
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